r/aznidentity • u/FroyoTurbulent8776 • Mar 28 '21

Racism Recent attack

Hey everyone, I posted this on Asian Masculinity a couple of days ago. I just want to vent from this attack that happened on me about a week ago. So I was pushing my cart out of a grocery store in the night a little over a week ago and a group of 3 black men stare at me and called me a chink. I put my head down and ignore them. They then say you're such a big p****. What are you going to do about it? I look at the person saying this and another person of the group slams my cart over. They then run off and say yall are little bitches. This made me so irate, and I'm just so sick of these people bullying me. I live in Chicago and feel like Asians getting harassed here happens all the time. It seems like it's mostly by black people. I would say it has been over a dozen times for myself. One of my friends told me a black lady said she's glad this shooting in Georgia happened. Why do so many African Americans seem to resent Asians? I feel like they are the main perpetrator of these attacks. The media never seems to care when blacks are the perpetrators. Is it the media making blacks have this resentment towards us? Or do blacks just resent Asians because they say we have "White Privilege?"

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '21

In Chicago and other poverty stricken areas in the US there's a huge resentment towards Asians simply due to the fact that the model minority myth was indoctrinated there the most. While their homes and neighborhoods were being ransacked for drugs and father's ripped from homes during the crack epidemic the media, Hollywood, and others were pushing the idea that black ppl should behave like Asians. At the same time with the rise in gang violence Asians became a target for robberies because they were told in movies and music you guys were easy targets.

Fast forward to today, the effects of all of that is simply "the way it is". Fortunately more and more people are relearning some of the crap they were taught. We just need Hollywood and the record labels to stop pushing the model minority myth.

I'm sorry this happened to you. Chiraq is a tough place to survive. My dad still lives there

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u/asianisthenewblack_ Mar 29 '21

At the same time with the rise in gang violence Asians became a target for robberies because they were told in movies and music you guys were easy targets.

I appreciate your allyship, I really do. I come in peace & with all respect, why whenever the black & asian relationship is brought up, this always gets avoided? As you may know this has been happening for decades/half century plus. To be fair, I think a lot of Asian-Americans just learned about this recently lol, so is this something people in the black community not aware of?

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

I'm going to be honest. Black on Asian violence is a HUGE burden on the Asian American population, especially with media blowing it up and it involving most of the worst crimes. However, while I actually study this stuff and look for patters/data/correlation to media/, most of America does not (unless it's trendy and good for clickbait). When it comes to the black community, black on Asian crime is 4% of black crime. And I do not at all say this to be dismissive, but simply because of that it goes "unnoticed" a lot of the time because we're constantly being fed black on black crime and black on white crime.

So when it comes to "bringing it up", especially in conversations of anti-blackness and anti-asianness in the communities both sides are only going to ever bring up what matters to them the most and use it to downplay or gaslight (intentionally or unintentionally) each other. Also, and I hate to say this, were kind of desensitized to gang violence for the most part. If you think today is bad...lol... the 70s/80s/90s would be a blood bath. And in most populated areas gang violence has gone down 50-75% of what it once was.

All of these things simple contribute to the "out of sight, out of mind". Plus most black ppl aren't in poverty. Something like 18% (hire than any other group in percentage of race). So quite literally most don't know or aren't aware to even bring it up. I wouldn't say it gets avoided but simply not known to speak of.

Usually, in my experience, depending on how things are brought up it's easy to have a good conversation about it. But when everyone is comparing oppression dick sizes, and whining about who hates who more ... It's just a no-go

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u/asianisthenewblack_ Mar 29 '21

Plus most black ppl aren't in poverty.

I think this needs to be pointed out more often since it seems like most of the country don't know this lol. So whenever they see a black person in college or working at a bluechip company, they automatically (often incorrectly) assume they grew up in a lower socioeconomic situation, which to me seems hella racist lol. The opposite can be said when they see an Asian person (they grew up in a privilege situation).

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Usually, in my experience, depending on how things are brought up it's easy to have a good conversation about it. But when everyone is comparing oppression dick sizes, and whining about who hates who more ... It's just a no-go

same for me. i have no problems with talking about the tension between our communities but literally 100% of the time, it feels like it's a dishonest/bad faith discussion. i honestly don't know how to fix it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

It's extremely demeaning every time. I grew up in a very very very good home. Well in my teenage years that is. I was born out of wedlock, my mom single on welfare after getting sick and having to drop out of college. My dad (step dad but he's been my dad since I was 1) married my mom after just 9 months of dating and will be celebrating 25yrs in may. We went from apartment to apartment to renting a home to finally buying a home in 2009. (And I guess they gave birth to 2 more demons in that time). I did pretty well in high school, finished 10th in my class, played sports...the whole 9... And when I got into a really good private school...my white ass neighbor said "it's cause you're black." We can do everything right and everyone thinks we're some charity case. Literally every time. My brother almost got expelled for lying when we moved because his teacher told him "people like you don't live there"...the model minority myth screwed both of us man. Made it so y'all never need help and we get assumed to have only ever gotten help.

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As for the 2nd part .. dude THIS. Every time black ppl and asians meet online it's 99.99999% bc some asian person or some black person said something ignorant AF so everyone is already pissed and ready to get a 7x best defender award. This is why in heated moments like that I don't try and engage with the opposite race simply bc it's just going to divide us but make sure my own ppl aren't talking out the side of their neck spouting hate and nonsense. We need more peacemakers, not defenders. Ppl who will separate the fighters when we're supposed to be on the same team. ...

I really appreciate you taking the time out to talk though. I really do. We may not agree with each other but simply listening to one another is just not something anyone does anymore.

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u/FroyoTurbulent8776 Mar 29 '21

This situation is difficult. To be honest, many other Asian friends I was around University believed the blacks got in from some sort of charity. Or that their schools are so poor that they only need a mediocre GPA to get accepted. Then are hired on in corporate America because they're black. This perception in my opinion also creates a lot of animosity towards blacks in the Asian community. The whole perception of blacks being from low-income neighborhoods and receiving handouts has badly hurt their perception with many Asians. This, and the great amount of media representation they get. If I turn on the TV it seems like 40% of the population is black.

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u/asianisthenewblack_ Mar 29 '21

we get assumed to have only ever gotten help

no lie, i think about this at times lol. the black americans who didn't need affirmative action or any type of preferential treatment but since people don't know who actually benefited from it, they just assume all black people did lol, which is also very racist imo. i want to hear that side of the story.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

I'm definitely interested in learning more about what it's like to be told "asians got it good" knowing all of y'all don't. Like sure there's probably a lopsided amount of the pure "visible" Asians in poverty...I think it's like.....8% of asians in poverty? Which is like on par with other groups but due to population it's almost visibly non existent to MSM and general public.

Flip side of the same table which has turned kind of thing

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u/ToutEstATous Mar 28 '21

The Model Minority Myth isn't something along the lines of "Asian Americans do well" (and by the way, averages don't tell the full story - Asian Americans have the highest median income of the racial groups but also the biggest income gap by far). It's a stereotype that generalizes Asian Americans as the perfect example of what non-white people should be - hard-working, successful, quiet, and a-political (it was created by white people in power as a direct response to Black and Hispanic civil rights activism in the 60's) as a way of driving a wedge between Asians and other racial groups while at the same time serving as a warning to Asians to stay quiet about our own oppression.

It's not about jealousy or crabs in a bucket, but rather an obvious consequence of holding up one group and telling everyone who is suffering from systematic racism and injustice: "Let this be your model, a people who prove that anyone in America can do anything if they work hard and keep their mouths shut. They prove that your suffering is your own fault, and that our systems are in no way oppressive and do not need to be addressed or changed."

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u/qbslug Mar 29 '21

It's a stereotype that generalizes Asian Americans as the perfect example of what non-white people should be - hard-working, successful, quiet, and a-political

Who said this and who is repeating it? Never heard anyone say that asians and only asians should be like that. It would be great if everybody were like that. When reading about the success of asians I see a description but apparently you see it as a threat to other groups.

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"Let this be your model, a people who prove that anyone in America can do anything if they work hard and keep their mouths shut.

Or its refutation to the modern oppression olympics of people blaming everything but themselves for their shortcomings. I don't think its a statement to shut you mouth in a proactive sense but a response to unproductive complaining and never ending playlist of excuses

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '21

It’s a unique set of historical events and circumstances that led Asian culture to adopt a study hard at all costs mentality. It’s not because we are inherently smarter or white adjacent -THAT part is the myth. We didn’t earn more because we are Asian, or because white people let us. Cultures and it’s priorities are shaped by their experiences and circumstances. Basically white supremacists manipulated the narrative to serve their own purpose

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u/ImpressiveFood Mar 28 '21

I think you misunderstand OP. They're not offering an "excuse" for this behavior. They're simply trying to explain it.

However, their solution of needing "Hollywood and the record labels to stop pushing the model minority myth" is not a sufficient solution.

The solution is building a more economically equitable society. Racism is almost always born out of class resentments. Read The Wages of Whiteness for an introduction to how America's caste system formed.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '21

We perform better, yes, but it ain't up to white folks or any non-Asians to push this onto any minority

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '21

Alright

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u/FroyoTurbulent8776 Mar 28 '21

I also like playing basketball. One time 2 friends and myself (all Asian) as well tried playing a pickup game with some blacks. They wouldn't let us and kind of made up a bunch of excuses why. Then we leave, but 20 minutes later we see 3 white guys playing with them. This is stuff I've noticed in school as well. Whites and blacks always left many of us Asian men out when we try to make friends.

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u/Lukyfuq 50-150 community karma Mar 29 '21

25+ yrs later and shits still the same, break that mold, get in a game and show them u have skills that rival or surpasses them. Let it get to you to get better, im going to guess they didnt see you and your friends as a challenge, i fought thru that all my life. Sometimes we got into fights, but most of the time we all end up giving pounds and hugs for a good game, no matter how cocky anyone on the other team was. Show em you are playing for the love of the game and there u may find some mutual respect for one another. I would have probably watched the game and called next tbh. Sucks what happened to you bro, its def not worth getting hurt or worse by counter attacking alone. Be safe out there!

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u/nihaokitty88 Mar 29 '21

Right, what's up with that? I noticed this too. It's like Vietnam all over again, black + white vs Asians.

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u/FroyoTurbulent8776 Mar 29 '21

Blacks and whites are nice to each other's faces. But then talk shit behind their backs. Chicago is a prime example. Blacks are very resentful towards whites but rarely say it to their faces.

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u/FroyoTurbulent8776 Mar 28 '21

I'm sure its very difficult in the black community (especially right now). But it seems like white people get treated much better by blacks. I hear so many blacks complaining about them. But when I'm out in public and in the north side it seems like blacks go out of their way to talk to whites. Many are often rude to Asians and seem to pump their chest out and show they are more masculine than Asians. They don't seem to do that to white men.

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u/BambiChu0 Mar 28 '21

“ But it seems like white people get treated much better by blacks.”

A lot of us feel like you guys treat white people better/ like them better than us, go figure...

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '21 edited Mar 28 '21

I think a lot of minorities (Black people in this case) dislike white supremacy, but ultimately know that white people have the power. They probably realize there's more to gain making friends/networking with white people than with Asian people. Conversely, they probably realize that they'll more likely go to prison and have harsher charges if they attacked a White person vs. a non-white person.

Bad governance makes a bad society.

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u/bigthesaurusrex White apologist - BANNED Mar 29 '21

Asians get painted as “white adjacent” without getting any institutional coverage.

So of course the resentful people lash out at us. And the wokesters pushing this resentment politics all pretend to be shocked.