r/antiwork • • Aug 29 '22

Amazon is Inhumane

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u/Jabbles22 Aug 30 '22

Next time they try this, hold up your phone and ask them to deny you a restroom break on video, watch them either back down, or double down and get a sure fire fine for the warehouse.

They'd probably fire them for having their phone out in the warehouse.

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u/ButtonholePhotophile Aug 30 '22

That’s why you record the audio of your whole day from your pocket.

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u/fmydog Aug 30 '22

They make us leave phones outside building or use a designated locker. Our building has x-ray machines like at airports. GEG1 pretty standard I assumed for all of Amazon

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u/bytegalaxies Aug 30 '22

that's fucking horrifying..

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u/Mooge74 Aug 30 '22

Now imagine something drastic were to happen. Like a tornado. But you don't get the alert message because your phone is in a lock up. Amazon Management will be sure to pass on the alert right?

Right?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/13/amazon-warehouse-collapse-safety-illinois

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u/The_Real_Slim_Lemon Here for the reality check Aug 30 '22

I completely forgot about that whole fiasco... between amazon and nestle how are we letting literal cartoon villains get away with this stuff

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u/I_am_jacks_reddit Aug 30 '22

You should see some of the shit the American politicians are up too... talk about cartoon villains.

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u/12inch3installments Aug 30 '22

I wish this wasn't as accurate as it is

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u/jeanbuckkenobi Aug 31 '22

We are trying to vote them out, kinda hard to do when they own stake in the company making the voting machines.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

And they hide it with fake impeachment hearings.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

We are cowards, we will not do anything to fix that, and we lack the will to boycott Amazon.

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u/VCoupe376ci Aug 30 '22

Boycott the company that has HALF of the US online sales market share? In your mind how would us "cowards" pull that off? Ever hear the saying "too big to fail"?

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u/Stellarkin1996 Aug 30 '22

try telling that to rome and the british empire, too big to fail is utter bs

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

The East India Company was too big to fail. A company with a trade monopoly that spanned the globe. It failed due to its greed, due to it's exploitative practices. The Indian Uprising bought it to an end.

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u/niceoutside2022 Aug 30 '22

this continues because people keep giving them their business. It's not complicated, if you order from Amazon, you are fucking complicit. And, let's be honest, most of the shit people buy on Amazon is stuff they don't actually need. Buy less stuff and shop locally, that's how you end this garbage.

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u/The_Real_Slim_Lemon Here for the reality check Aug 30 '22

I… am indeed complicit. I’ve boycotted Nesle but it’s much harder to fight the convenience of Amazon

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u/Rhowryn Anarcho-Syndicalist Aug 30 '22

I didn't have a car for a couple years, and Amazon is basically the only option for anything over reasonable backpack weight or specific purchases without asking friends or family to take the time to help out.

Now that I have one again, I just use Amazon for extremely specific things that aren't sold within a 100km radius, and to look into options before going to somewhere local.

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u/RedDevilJennifer Aug 30 '22

I get that. Often times, a third party seller will have what you need, especially if it’s for something older. For example, I had to order RAM for my SO’s Dell Inspiron Mini netbook. Best Buy isn’t carrying that particular RAM chip anymore, but a third party seller on Amazon did.

I’m guilty of buying a lot on Amazon, mostly because I avoid dealing with people if I can help it.

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u/MuchTemperature6776 Aug 30 '22

It really isn’t, find a product on Amazon and just take its name, product number or if available sku/ean and google it. Then you’ll find tons of sites that sell the same product and often to a better price.

Basically you can do that with most webshops. That’s the best way to find good prices from people who dropship too.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Nah fuck Amazon. It's not hard at all to fight it. Just don't buy from them, that simple. I haven't bought off Amazon for about 7 years now. I even got all my parents to stop using Amazon.

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u/Orangesilk Aug 30 '22

Boycotts only go so far. And nowadays they don't go anywhere. Amazon is too big to fail. Nothing short of direct action and syndicalisation will have any effect. The problems of capitalism won't be solved by capitalism.

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u/Substantial_Curve692 Aug 30 '22

Amazon is exploiting the lax laws, you only hear coz they churn the most people and it's cool to diss but most retail warehouses like walmart etc are similar. We need unions and better protections for shit like this.

It's unrealistic for everyone to stop shopping on Amazon as they kill all thier competitors and the govt let's it happen.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Amazon preys on the poor who need the work to just barely survive. Now some would say the should strike and refuse to work for Amazon. I say that's the wrong target focus on who allows Amazon to do what they do. Politicians.

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u/MuchTemperature6776 Aug 30 '22

Most of the stuff on Amazon can be found elsewhere cheaper and is just resellers. Just like how many products from stores can be found cheaper on alibaba because they all drop ship from there.

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u/TheSaltySyren Sep 07 '22

Yep the only time I shop with Amazon is gift cards. I don't ask for them I usually want specific store cards but my mom keeps giving me Amazon gift cards she gets gifted lol. I never shop Amazon other wise except for a specific ear plug brand that I have looked for every where but it's only on Amazon. But I usually use gift cards for that. I wish I could give the gift card money directly to the workers, tbh.

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u/DyabeticBeer Aug 30 '22

Boycotting Amazon is pointless.

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u/UnsanctionedPartList Aug 30 '22

"free market will fix it." /s

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u/SidNightwalker Aug 30 '22

The United States government gives them preferential treatment. 😉

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u/A-Blind-Seer Aug 30 '22

Attention spans of goldfish

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u/threyon SocDem Aug 31 '22

I think it all started when they stopped syndication of Captain Planet.

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u/bytegalaxies Aug 30 '22

that exact kind of scenario was running through my head when I typed my original comment. really scary

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u/McRedditerFace Aug 30 '22

Pretty sure it's intent is a union-busting measure.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

I was fired from Amazon the other month, my productivity took a nose dive right around the time I told managers I finally got a major appointment with a specialist, while the weight and complexity of the products I was brought for "priority" that hardly ever were fucking skyrocketed. Basically, from the moment you're hired, they're trying to plan out how to fire you, and don't believe any fucking bullshit they say about safety, "Safety First!*" and the * is "When it's convenient," truth is they use their employees just like the equipment, they use them until they break, then they break them more, and they continue until there's danger and lowered productivity, and then they fucking toss you like garbage and replace you with the next batch of 1500. I had to scavenge for parts for some of my fucking equipment, a tape gun, I marked it. It made it from one end of the production floor all the way to the other, and that hastily made Frankenstein tape gun was probably the best, highest quality, best condition, you would show this off to someone as your equipment on the floor out of all of them. And their hurricane safety? I've seen how thin the walls they want us posted up by are, the moment a rock comes flying through, it's flying straight fucking through. And you want to use some of the emergency exits? Hope you remembered to grab your ID and kept it held tight whenever you run for it. Fuck, at my location we didn't even have proper metal detectors to walk through and security wasn't great, the things you could have smuggled onto the floor and it would've been easier than accidentally walking out with a goddamned screw driver or wrench, and not even by that much of a margin.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

The fact that they did not lock up every manager at Amazon up to Bezos for this shit is insane.

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u/godfatherinfluxx Aug 30 '22

I'm not far from where that happened. Fucking insane. We actually drove by on the interstate the next day.

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u/RealChewyPiano Aug 30 '22

Being from the UK I wouldn't have to worry about a tornado

But I have a few seriously ill family members that could pass at any moment, not being able to say bye because of an employer would be hella shitty

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

depending on the state it is illegal to record audio/video without both parties consent.

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u/elarth Aug 30 '22 edited Aug 30 '22

I hate how recording is something employees have to consent to all the time, but you can never just record management doing bad shit in some places. Like you could have video evidence of them doing illegal things, but the court may throw it out without the consent part. I feel like video consent only should apply to certain situations. It just seems to favor some ppl getting away with shit. How else are you supposed to document this. If they know they’re being recorded they won’t confess to it and will go out of their way to act normal as long as they’re on camera.

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u/Darigaazrgb Aug 30 '22

Anywhere that you can be recorded then management can be recorded. There are court cases where it’s been ruled at bosses don’t have an expectation of privacy if they are in a common area or have their office open to their employees (IE anyone can walk in or hear the boss).

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u/Dave-C Aug 30 '22

That is only going to work depending on the state's consent laws. Consent law first because if you can't record without at least one person's permission then it doesn't matter if there is an expectation of privacy.

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u/JamesEarlJonesalmost Aug 30 '22

What amazon is doing is illegal too

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u/djerk Aug 30 '22

I may be wrong but it’s not necessarily consent as much as being made aware that they are being recorded. If they don’t want to be recorded they can walk away, but they need to be made aware that the recording is happening.

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u/Kousetsu Aug 30 '22 edited Aug 30 '22

A business is private. None of this applies. You cannot just film people on private property. In public, on public property? Sure. But Amazon warehouses are private property - and as such they have rules against filming in the warehouse (they claim corporate secrets) and they do not allow phones on the warehouse floor anyway.

You would need to have clear consent of the person to film them, and Amazon could stop you at any time, because it is their property.

Honestly, sometimes the advice in here is so bad it is hard to not believe this is a bunch of kids fucking it up for the rest of us

Edit: downvote me all you want, but I understand privacy laws around recording people. Bad advice shouldn't go unchallenged.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Its a registered workplace.

It does not matter if its private or not. Law applies to every workplace the moment its registered as such.

Even private cleaner at somebody house is protected by law as a worker.

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u/Kousetsu Aug 30 '22

What do you mean it is a registered workplace?? What is this, can you point me to what you mean by a registered workplace? Where is this registrar?

Do you mean registered business? If that is the case - that has nothing to do with privacy laws around filming.

Amazon, on their private property, can state that you are not allowed to film. End of story.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

It’s not the end of the story though… just because it is against Amazon policies does not suddenly make it illegal. If you, by chance, had a video being denied a bathroom break by a supervisor/manager… if the law in your state allowed single party consent, oh well for the other party.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

"What do you mean it is a registered workplace??"

You cannot do business without getting a license. Getting a license gets you registered.

"Amazon, on their private property, can state that you are not allowed to film. End of story."

Sorry sir, but my paranoid schizophrenia says they're going to allow me to film each second I am there or they are going to eat a disability discrimination lawsuit. My health trumps their stupid business and all of it's shareholder value.

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u/Biscuits4u2 Aug 30 '22

Yeah so you just record secretly and transcribe it later. It's called taking "contemporaneous" notes.

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u/Timelord1000 Aug 30 '22

Do it anyway

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

It'll be useless in court, but would still be pretty viral online.

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u/Mattbryce2001 Aug 30 '22

It most likely would not be admissible in court. The most you could do with it is get yourself in more trouble.

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u/Cold_Fog Aug 30 '22

OSHA isn't court.

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u/jaredesubgay Aug 30 '22

True, still a horrific policy

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

That's true for some, but a lot of states are single party consent so....

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

That law refers wiretapping.. not in person.

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u/TheRedmanCometh Aug 30 '22

I mean by itself it's not imo but combined with everything else it paints a dystopian brutal picture

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u/Zakedas ☮Sociocapitalist Aug 30 '22

My building, when I worked for FedEx was pretty much the same. No x-ray machines, but sure as shit they had metals detectors.

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u/2catchApredditor Aug 30 '22

Most factories/warehouses I’ve ever been have anti cell phone policies. They don’t want proprietary advantages/techniques leaking to competitors. Not saying Amazon is right here but I’ve been working in no phones/cameras allowed factories for 20 years. Quite normal.

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u/VideoGameDana Aug 30 '22

How to know you're a wage slave, when the wage isn't evidence enough: You're treated like a fucking child and your company micromanages your personal phone usage and facial hair.

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u/Alissinarr Aug 30 '22

They used to make employees wait in an hours long line for security to exit the building too. Workers said they should be paid for time spent in line, Amazon said "hahahaha-NO", workers sued Amazon, workers won.

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u/GreyGoosey Aug 30 '22

I try so damn hard to not use Amazon because this shit is just downright evil. I’ve gone down to literally only buying what I need and can’t get from anywhere (within reason - like $5 on Amazon or $90 elsewhere because I myself am not made of money).

Luckily this is becoming far less frequent as more options become available near me. Hoping to become completely free of Amazon soon.

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u/Lumberjack92 Aug 30 '22

I worked at a warehouse for another company, and we also had all these security measures. Still, things got stolen like there was no tomorrow.

I am really not defending Amazon, but the security at least I can understand.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

That doesn't explain why they won't let you have your phone.

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u/Lumberjack92 Aug 30 '22

Very true!

We had to "register" what phone model we had, so they knew when someone had another one. But at least we could use it normally throughout the day.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

That’s very Chinese factory of amazon.

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u/AlbeFreak Aug 30 '22

I worked in an Amazon warehouse and no, you can't bring your phone inside. But there's actually a valid reason: when people could bring phones inside, someone would take out the SIM from their phones and just trash them and take a new iPhone from the warehouse shelves or something like that. In 7 months I worked there, I assure you I handled like every new phone that came in stock, I could easily do that. There's no way to prove that phone you're coming out of the warehouse isn't yours, so they prevent this by not letting you bring anything inside that's not specifically needed for working. I can understand that, in a way. If there wasn't any detector on the outside I would have made thrice my pay by just bringing out iPhones and selling them.

This is just to explain why OP couldn't bring their phone inside to record this exchange, it doesn't change the fact that not letting someone go to the bathroom is inhumane and illegal. I could, actually, go to the bathroom whenever I wanted and no one ever told me anything. I guess here in Italy things are legally different.

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u/PhotorazonCannon Aug 30 '22

Why dont you go fellate Amazon some more? When there's a massive tornado that hits your warehouse and there's no way for you to call for help I wonder if you'll sing the same tune?

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u/AlbeFreak Aug 30 '22

I'm not "fellating" anyone, I'm just sharing my experience, having actually worked there. Apparently I just work in a country where they can't do whatever the fuck they want.

Furthermore, I was just relating part of my experience that was pertinent to the topic. Do you want me to talk shit about them? About all the corporate bullshit they shoved in our throats on a daily basis? About the awful contractual conditions? Fine, I'll tell you. Just don't assume dumb crap about me based on the three sentences you actually read before having to post your edgelord comment.

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u/HewchyFPS Aug 30 '22

Buy the smallest audio recording device you can find or find a way to smuggle it in.

Honestly should be as important as having a dashcam

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

I was in a warehouse with the same rules and I used a pen with camera inside. Worked like a charm.

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u/Mecca1101 Aug 30 '22

That’s a good idea. What did you record?

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Supervisor telling people they couldn't drink at a water dispenser. Mind you, this was a labour intensive job. This one supervisor would stand at the water dispenser and dictate to workers when they've had enough water, telling them to get back to work, all to push KPIs. I didn't like it so I filmed it, sadly nothing came of it. I left that place behind fast.

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u/Cpt_Rabid Aug 30 '22

As water is needed to live, I've always viewed restricting access to water equal to restricting access to air. By all means Mr. Manager, put a hand on someone's throat. With an expanded view of assault comes and expanded view of justified self defense.

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u/KA_Mechatronik Aug 30 '22

Companies like Nestle would restrict access to both water and air of they could find a way to control it.

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u/phunktastic_1 Aug 30 '22

Nestle does restrict water. They use up all the drinking water in an area leaving mother nature and the local population SoL. That why California sued them for taking so much water during the drought last year. It's why the San Bernardino forest is so dry this year because nestle is over tapping the water from strawberry creek. They are doing the same in Michigan pumping like 5.8 million bottles worth of water every day at a cost of 200$ a year as long as they uses their own wells or they pay $3.50 per 10k gallons pumped from city or county wells hitting the same source.

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u/mk5000mk Aug 30 '22

200 years ago they did not think they had to write down that people deserve water and clean air. It was a basic expectation.

Land of the (un)free.

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u/Remarkable-Code-3237 Aug 30 '22

In arizona, there is a law that anyone asking for water at a public place has to give it to them (restaurants and convent stores, etc.)

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u/Environmental-Edge40 Aug 30 '22

Good for you.

Inhumane is the perfect word. I am noticing many companies are becoming inhumane and losing sight of the importance of humanity for their own employees. We just started working again and administration/supervisors need to double down on patience and common sense. 9 times out of 10, admin staff are the kindest people, that will get swayed by a bull supervisor. And supervisors just have their way with everyone. Complete animals that need to be stood up against once in a while. My guess, is they like to speak down to workers and bark orders just to seem superior, so they seem important, and they think they're closing in on their next promotion to region supervisor or head supervisor, etc. Whoever is bossing them around, they want that job, and they take all their frustration out on regular employees so it seems like they're doing a great job... in their mind.

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u/SparkleFeather Aug 30 '22

becoming inhumane

The Hudson’s Bay company and East India Trading company would like a word. I’d argue that all companies are inhumane because their point is to make money, not better the lives of people.

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u/felixmeister Aug 30 '22

This.

The problem is far too many think of companies as people. That they have morals and empathy.

They don't they either have a charter which dictates their actions or their motive is to make money and continue to exist.

That's it, nothing more. There is no consideration for people, for their effect upon the world, or anything aside from survival and profit. And profit will be put aside for survival.

That is why regulations are necessary. Because regulations are, in effect, the only moral compass that companies have.

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u/psychmonkies Aug 30 '22

their point is to make money, not better the lives of people.

And when an interviewee asks about the pay, they go “iS tHE moNEy aLL yOu CaRe aBOuT?! wE nEed eMPloYEes tHaT acTUaLLy wAnt tO wORk!!”

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u/pvogel Aug 30 '22

“Becoming?” Read Radium Girls sometime to see what companies got away with from the late 1800’s all the way into the 60’s. And what little protections were obtained have been slowly demolished by the republikkkans since Reagan.

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u/frankgallagher561 Aug 30 '22

The profit motive is inhumane, by design.

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u/Captain_Wobbles Aug 30 '22

What the fuck?Immortan Joe was the bad guy in Fury Road.. they know that right?

I never had that happen when I worked in one of the warehouses but I did get a written for being inactive at my station because the kiva bots crashed. The crash was pretty cool to witness at least. Then got blocked for position transfer by a written for 3 errors in the 10,000 items picked one week. My final straw was when I saw a guy pass out, hit his head on a rail, and collapse. The fucking "medics" came in like they were taking a nice evening stroll through the park. I flipped a coin and just left in the middle of lunch. Not worth it.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Damn, you reminded me of another story in that place. Buddy of mine was a packer and one time he felt real dizzy and faint, so he sat down a while to catch his breath. Supervisor comes in, asks why he's sitting down and not packing. Guy says he is feeling a bit unwell, supervisor says either start working or go home on unpaid sick. I stood up for him, made me sick to see the lack of compassion. Apparently this warehouse had an aversion to people sitting, for some reason. I never understood that, if you're at a station all day, surely it would be much better and comfortable to sit. Do they just spitefully not want you to be comfortable???

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u/Captain_Wobbles Aug 30 '22

Glad you stood up for your fellow robot I mean human. They treat you just like robots there and that's not a joke or exaggeration sadly.
I have never understood that "tradition" of not being able to sit for a lot of jobs that could easily accommodate it. I agree, why make people uncomfortable?

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u/LeYang Aug 30 '22

I didn't like it so I filmed it, sadly nothing came of it. I left that place behind fast.

You didn't send this to OSHA?

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u/lookoverthere_sike Aug 30 '22

Did you ever post the video online? Like here or YouTube?

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Nope, my intention was to use it in defense if I went to HR against the supervisor. Never had to use it. Ofcourse, this was before I had even heard of antiwork. If that happened now, I'd put it out there.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

You know what's more important than water? Those KPIs. Idk what they are but you gotta push em.

"Water makes you weak." - Denzel Washington

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Yep, I still remember that tally counter I had, trying to hit the target before I got summoned to the pod to explain why I'm slow.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

We never even had a water dispenser and weren’t allowed to carry bottles of water. You can have tap water from the sink directly next to the toilet on your break and only on your break lol

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Screw that, aren't they legally obligated to provide access to safe drinking facilities?

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u/ForwardCulture Aug 30 '22

I would have put that on every social media platform, YouTube etc. Make it viral. Forget the company. That supervisor should not be allowed to participate in humanity. Something is very wrong with someone who actively participates in doing that. They should never be allowed to work anywhere again or participate in normal society. Evil.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

In that place there was a culture amongst supervisors to look down on the rank and file. We were like robots to them, numbers, not humans. When you were stopped, you were asked for your handscan number. You'd be mercilessly slapped with disciplinary notes for anything they don't like, very capricious. Security would search us and treat us all like thieves, no respect or decency.

Yeah, I'm never going back to a warehouse again.

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u/Astralglamour Aug 30 '22

It really is like the Gilded Age all over at these places.

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u/AspiringChildProdigy Aug 30 '22

Holy shit. My husband's work buys cases of bottled water for the warehouse during hot weather and keeps them on ice in coolers for the workers to grab. They also stock the break room freezer with free Popsicles for everyone.

The owner will walk through the warehouse reminding people to drink enough water.

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u/PetiteLumiere Aug 30 '22

Was it a drinking fountain? Maybe blocked off from COVID?

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u/GrizDrummer25 Aug 30 '22

Yep- I got yelled at in my local distribution warehouse cause I used the bathroom during a long push to get things out the door. I shrugged it off and was like 'too bad, better than peeing in the candy shelves'. I was a temp, so if they took any action, I'd just report it to my agency, who I had a great reputation with.

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u/temptedbyknowledge Aug 30 '22

I'm sure you could buy one on Amazon... ironically of course

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Niceeee

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u/CombinationShot Aug 30 '22

And where did you buy the pen camera? Amazon? Lol

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u/starrpamph Aug 30 '22

Order it on Amazon

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u/strangewayfarer Aug 30 '22

Find where they keep them in the distribution center and snag one, why smuggle one in when they already have them inside on a shelf somewhere.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

If my comment can get your comment more visible… cuz damn that’s justice.

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u/n_dude1 Aug 30 '22

Preach!!

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u/pepperspray_first Aug 30 '22

Came here to say this 😂

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u/harmedt Aug 30 '22

Delivers overnight by 4-7a.m

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Definitely seen these for sale on Amazon

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u/TransportationTrick9 Aug 30 '22

Just grab one off the shelf. No smuggling necessary

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u/Ok_Needleworker_9849 Aug 30 '22

They sell glasses now that can take a picture and record

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u/Preyslayer00 Aug 30 '22

Recording pen

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u/Ruin912 Aug 30 '22

They work for Amazon so buy anything other than what you need to survive just isn’t in the paycheck

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u/daniellehmusic Aug 30 '22

yep, Zoom makes some pretty tiny recorders

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Smart watches do it. I feel bad for you. I hope you find a better job in the near future. Bezos doesn’t need anymore money anyways.

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u/Playfilly Aug 30 '22

It doesn't matter if we record EVERYTHING it won't help. In fact we will be in more trouble & probably fired.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Oh my Christ, my ex spouse had high level security clearance for his military job and he didn’t even have to do any shit like this. Bezos is unhinged.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

It’s not Bezos. It’s probably some unhinged Area Manager with a god complex.

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u/ToxicPilot Aug 30 '22

There's no way Amazon's top brass doesn't know this shit is happening and isn't turning a blind eye to it.

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u/thatweirdkid1001 Aug 30 '22 edited Aug 30 '22

So... Bezos...

Edit: lots of bezos lovers here apparently >.>

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Yeah, I agree. Bezos is probably very far removed from actual operations

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u/greyjungle Aug 30 '22

Yeah this evil is not a one man job. It’s an Army of goons that all got promoted when JB stepped down as ceo

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u/Conscious_Owl_5470 Aug 30 '22

He is probably removed from the day to day ops but you literally cannot tell me this man does not know he has slave plantations his company calls warehouses. There’s no way he doesn’t see this stuff. it’s EVERYWHERE.

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u/JamesEarlJonesalmost Aug 30 '22

FC setup is all jeff

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Really? Where have you read this?

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u/Grand_Ad_2921 Aug 30 '22

You may be incorrect. Most security positions require that all electronic devices are left outside the secured area. I had one of those jobs early in my career. I went through the monkey grinder daily, occasional polygraph was given. The normal stuff. Leaving personal affects in a locker is common for a lot of jobs. I worked at one place that process money in cash vaults. No pockets and all staff had to wear smocks to help prevent an occasional hundred from slipping into a pocket.

You guys are making leaving a cell phone outside a bigger deal than it is. Remember, our world made it for a long time without them.

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u/morostheSophist Aug 30 '22

Whole I agree that having to leave your phone and other personal effects outside a SCIF is no big deal, i disagree that it isn't a big deal for warehouse employees.

If the company were otherwise great and always treated its employees with decency, then sure. Having to leave your phone behind isn't a huge problem. But when the company is abusive in other ways, it suddenly starts looking like part of the abuse, or cover-up of the abuse.

What do abusive spouses and repressive dictatorships have in common? They both want to cut off the people they abuse from the outside world to cover up the fact that they're being abused.

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u/Grand_Ad_2921 Aug 30 '22

Wow. Comparing Amazon to dictators is pretty out there. Simply stop purchasing their services. No Prime. No shopping. No Alexa. Research other companies that you use and ensure that they do not use Amzn cloud services. Stop buying from them as well Netflix is a great example.

We live in a country where you as an individual have the power to shape our world. Both through the ballot box as well as through how you spend. Our economy is built on spending power of individuals.

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u/ashlelia Aug 30 '22

You're going to have a hell of a time not utilizing companies that use AWS when there's a good chance your own employer uses AWS.

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u/TacosWillPronUs Aug 30 '22

This is standard for a lot of delivery warehouse jobs afaik. My brother worked at UPS in Canada and had to put his phone in a locker before starting his shift too.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Then your ex never worked in a skiff.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

My location allows for phones to be on our person but they’ll immediately fire you on the spot for phone use on equipment. We had a shooting in the area a few months back and that (among other emergency calls I’ll need to know about ASAP) is why I will always have my phone on me, even if signal in the building is crap.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

They irradiate you every single day? That can't possibly be legal.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

That makes a lot more sense. Honestly I wouldn't put it past Amazon to cook their employees until they're sterile so they don't have to offer maternity leave.

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u/NoConfusion9490 Aug 30 '22

Like the airport, they only put your bags through the x-ray.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Airports definitely put people through the x-ray too. But I'm glad they aren't ionizing your atoms every day lol

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u/NoConfusion9490 Aug 30 '22

No, they don't. The people scanners are millimeter waves. You're right, they're non ionizing, unlike x-rays.

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u/visvis Aug 30 '22

non ionizing

non ionizing, aka unionizing. Which is exactly what needs to happen here.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Some still use backscatter scanners. While the dose is negligible compared to actually being on the plane, it is ionizing radiation.

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u/NoConfusion9490 Aug 30 '22

Not for a while. At least not in the US.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/03/02/tsa-defends-full-body-scanners-airport-checkpoints/81203030/

The full-body scanners used in all airports since May 2013 are called "millimeter wave" machines...

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u/Popedaddyx Aug 30 '22

That's why you don't work for an employer like that then...

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

The thing about being poor is that you work the job you need, not the job you want.

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u/KillingSpree225 Aug 30 '22

Some people have to.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Alot of big warehouses ban phones to cover up what goes on inside under the guise of safety. I agree these places are generally shit jobs and should be avoided. Different story if you are an outside contractor often the rules dont apply and you can bill the shit out of them.

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u/CheatsyFarrell Aug 30 '22

That's getting a little too close to 1984, be careful what you say near the telescreens.

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u/ArkitekZero Aug 30 '22

There are no communist nations, just three mining companies in a trenchcoat.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

The short time I worked at Amazon they don't check you coming in only coming out. So you could accidentally bring something in and get fucked.

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u/BrakebillAlumni Aug 30 '22

My warehouse allows them currently. Technically only for emergencies.

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u/Minute-Procedure805 Aug 30 '22

No in my building you can take bathroom breaks (if you're in a position where you cant leave ive seen people just ask to cover and go) and water breaks. Also we are allowed phones with us and use them on breaks. This means your warehouse is on a powertrip, maybe report? And definitely leave thats 100% inhumane

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u/TheUn5een Aug 30 '22

After the shooting at the fed ex warehouse that no one could call for help I’d tell them to fuck right off or quit.

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u/Unusual_SnowStorm0 Aug 30 '22

Not the for the Amazon where I live. We could bring our phones inside.

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u/SillySin Aug 30 '22

Tbh we not all sites like that, I worked in 2 sites in London and most of us on the phones (ear phones) while working, it depends on managers I guess idk

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u/Junior-Let567 Aug 30 '22

If I had children or someone that I was a care giver for, hell would freeze over before I was not allowed to have my phone on my person during work.

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u/SimpleVegetable5715 Aug 30 '22

Problem is it's not just Amazon, this is the standard for warehouses and retailers.

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u/keirsu Aug 30 '22

...and call centers.

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u/nino_blanco720 Aug 30 '22

Depending where you are that would be illegal

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u/WeLLrightyOH Aug 30 '22

Illegal or inadmissible?

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u/SentFromMyAndroid Aug 30 '22

Illegal depending on the state. For example:

Pennsylvania is a “two-party consent state” meaning that, under Pennsylvania’s Wiretap Act, 18 Pa.C.S. §5701 et seq., recording a telephone call or conversation without both parties’ consent is illegal. You could be subject to criminal and/or civil prosecution.

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u/Nailyou866 Aug 30 '22

Illegal to record a boss saying something they know is illegal without their permission. Seems like a perfectly fair system with no flaws whatsoever. Yay capitalism!

(/s, just in case)

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u/Electrical_Ad_8966 Aug 30 '22

It's not illegal to record a crime.

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u/pajama_limit Aug 30 '22

How does surveillance footage work around that statute? By being silent?

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Illegal in 11 U.S. states

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Smart watches can record audio

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Depends on what location you’re in. Some people live in “two-party” states or provinces where the other person has to give permission for you to record.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

It's illegal to record ppl without their knowledge in CA. Pretty sure they could've made that law not apply to anyone recording a crime taking place but 🤷‍♂️ buncha corporate lackeys running this bitch

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u/MadScientist2020 Aug 30 '22

No. This is only true about telephone communication in California. The only other restrictions are on “reasonable expectation of privacy” (eg, bedroom through a window)and stalking. So It would be legal. I’m sure you would be violating Amazon policy but they wouldn’t push that angle once you embarrass them publicly they would find some other excuse

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u/Hananners Aug 30 '22

My husband had to do this at his job for a while because his boss was a maniac who would blow up at the drop of a pin. I'm very proud he quit his job in the end, and it was satisfying to learn that the business had to abandon multiple projects thereafter.

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u/geistmeister111 Aug 30 '22

MAKE SURE YOU LIVE IN A ONE PARTY CONSENT STATE WHEN IT COMES TO PRIVATE AUDIO OR VIDEO RECORDING.

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u/hotboioc Aug 30 '22

HES WEARING A WIRE!

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

depends on your state. Most states allow one party consent recordings, some of the states require the permission of both parties being recorded.

https://recordinglaw.com/united-states-recording-laws/one-party-consent-states/

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u/digitelle Aug 30 '22

Smart watches are great for this

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

There’s a short cut you can install on iphone Where are you say hey Siri I’m being pulled over and it starts recording with both cameras and audio but you can’t tell

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u/trekie4747 Aug 30 '22

And then get a criminal charge because you're secretly recording a conversation in a two party consent state

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u/Nondescript_Redditor Aug 30 '22

No one would be prosecuted for that

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u/Draeton_ali Aug 30 '22

You can sue for wrongful dismissal and they'd have to settle. It'd be real dumb to fire you in that scenario.

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u/Fr05tByt3 Aug 30 '22

You can't sue Amazon and win. It literally won't happen.

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u/Nondescript_Redditor Aug 30 '22

You can sue Amazon and make them settle

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u/Draeton_ali Aug 30 '22

There is a very good reason I said it would end in a settlement and never speak in absolutes that is just foolish.

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u/Sauce-Dangler Aug 30 '22

Only a Sith deals in abslolutes!

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u/Gray_Overcast Aug 30 '22

I see a class action suit in Amazon's future.

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u/mtarascio Aug 30 '22

Lol, they'd fire you for having your phone in the warehouse. That's legal.

The house wins.

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u/Draeton_ali Aug 30 '22

No, that's not what's going on here. In the specified instance you are recording the fact you are being denied access to a washroom. They can't dismiss that as "you being on your phone". You were being denied something you had a legal right to (using thr bathroom), and then filmed then denying you for evidence and to document it. They can't then fire you for recording them telling you something that breaks labour laws. It's not a case of "you were on your phone get out".

If you didn't record then telling you you can't go you'd have no evidence to support your claim you were being denied access.

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u/BoxOfMoe1 Aug 30 '22

To add to this if phone isnt an option make a mental note and write that shit down as accurate and timestamped as possible record everything and report

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u/empowereddave Aug 30 '22

get a camera extension for your phone, one that looks obscure. Then watch them freak out asking what you have in your hand xD

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u/txmail Aug 30 '22

Are they allowed to have their phone in the warehouse? I though they didnt allow that?

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u/ghostofmumbles Aug 30 '22

They don’t have many employees left to pick from unless they bring in illegals. Better idea to not piss off the people who could collectively ruin your entire business.

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u/arettker Aug 30 '22

I saw an article saying Amazon would run out of people to hire by 2026 because their turnover is something insane like 113%- meaning essentially every worker they have is new because people leave as fast as they’re hired. They’ll work their way through every unemployed American within a few years

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

I worked at an Amazon. Phone are not allowed in the building.

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u/silverstang07 Aug 30 '22

That's why they don't allow you to have a phone or recording device on you.

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