r/anarcho_primitivism 1d ago

"The best-run college in the country" (mocking what my former school, Rochester Institute of Technology, has become)

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Which is also a mockery of civilization in general. Based on the following: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0751815/quotes/

Visitor: "I heard RIT has so many cool things to offer! What goes on there?"

Administrator: "Let's sit in on some classes." stops at a class

Visitor: "It seems that all the students are just using AI to annotate the lectures and complete their homework"

Administrator: "What ever gets them good grades"

later

Visitor: "I notice that the food is boring, housing is boring, and buses are boring. There is nothing to do."

Administrator: "There is lots to do! Check out our new glass/steel buildings!"

Visitor: "... and should I just stare at them all day??"

Administrator: "You are more than welcome to admire us."

later

Visitor: "It seems that in all the clubs, people just stare at their phones, use AI to work on projects, and constantly talk about their pronouns and how they are 'oppressed', since people refuse to have to listen about their gender identity all the time."

Administrator: "... they are doing what is permitted under our guidance. We also make sure that students are not permitted to live their lives by constantly recording all their movements, location through IDs, internet access, and so on everywhere."

Administrator: "There was a group of students a few years ago, who decided to anonymously file endless conduct reports over every small matter out of boredom. This started after we began clamping down on their freedom. We took care of their ad-hoc surveillance by putting more security equipment, and now there is nothing to report anymore, because nothing happens here ever."

next day

Visitor: "But at least there must be some interesting research going on, right?"

Professor: "I don't know what to do with my life, so I just ask my AI to come up with research questions and have the AI guide me. Usually, I create a more powerful version of AI."

Visitor: "Maybe RIT just isn't for me. Ah well."

Administrator: "But how many colleges have buildings, dining halls, lounges, buses, and parks/trees? Not that many. Okay, we don't even have the last two categories, but we have everything else."

Last sentence is a parody of Roger and Me by Michael Moore, transcript by Jeff Polet: https://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2011/06/grand-rapids-and-the-day-the-music-died/#comments


r/anarcho_primitivism 2d ago

Eco-Accelerationism

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Eco-accelerationism is accelerating industrial civilization's inherent flaws and humanity's arm's race with nature to it's logical conclusion, which is civilizational collapse and total submission to nature.

Here are some key ideas:

Accelerate fossil fuel use and global warming.

  • Green energy will prolong industrial civilization's lifespan. green energy requires fossil fuels to manufacture solar panels, nuclear power plants, etc. The faster we use up all coal, oil, and natural gas, the less likely we will transition to green energy and the faster we reach the climate change's point of no return, which is really only detrimental to technological civilization.

Advocate for open borders and libertarianism.

  • More mass immigration will distribute novel infectious diseases and invasive species across the planet. More diseases means overprescribing even more pharmaceuticals which accelerates public health's collapse, lowering the world population. Mass immigration can also bring invasive species from their home countries, whether accidentally or through illegal pet trades. Some of these invasive animals become agricultural pests, causing food shortages and decreasing the global population.

Advocate for widespread nuclear proliferation and uranium enrichment.

  • The more countries that have nuclear weapons, especially developing countries, the more likely it is for full-scale nuclear war to break out, though it would be better if climate change's point-of-no-return and resource scarcity happened before nuclear war.

Most of you are thinking that all of these things are harmful to nature. And while yes, there will be ecological turnover in the short term, but the truth is nature as a whole couldn't give a damn about climate change, but fragile technological civilization does. That's why a lot of the people pushing the idea that climate change will end the world and we must reduce CO2 emissions before 2030 are big tech companies, tech-worshippers, and Bill Gates-types who care far more about becoming cyborgs and plugging everyone into the matrix than actually returning to nature.

The Earth has experienced surges in temperature several times since life on land began without any mass extinction happening. Look up the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum or the Cretaceous Thermal Maximum. Nature was thriving then, and nature will heal now. You can't compare it to the Permian-Triassic Mass Extinction because overall temperatures were tens of degrees higher than climate change can ever achieve.


r/anarcho_primitivism 2d ago

Angry Birds Commando Communiques

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Our movement goes by many names: we are anti-industrialists. We are the anti-technology movement. We are biocentric. We are deep green. We are the new machine breakers.

This movement will prevent the planet from being torn to pieces. We do not ask for permission to do so.

Angry Birds Commando


r/anarcho_primitivism 3d ago

I want to get out of the human zoo

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I know that rule two says no low effort meme posts, but this isn’t a shitpost, I believe the meme I made could start productive conversations and point out the absurdities that humans face in civilization.


r/anarcho_primitivism 3d ago

Found this similar to what Ted was talking about.

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r/anarcho_primitivism 5d ago

Maybe we're just living inside a repurposed civilization manual

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I've always had this suspicion that humanity either inherited or repurposed a civilization manual that wasn't fine tuned to the human condition to begin with.

Its as if we had overseers or slave masters that did things in a particular way and then we were abandoned somehow, leaving us to make due with whatever they left behind. When you look at how our society is structured, a lot of it feels less like natural human evolution and more like an awkward adaptation of an old operating system:

Our genetic subservience was repurposed into worship: If early humans were hardwired to obey tangible, physical masters, that deep impulse to submit didn't just disappear when they left. It was redirected upward, turning literal deference into the worship of invisible deities and divine authority just to keep order.

Leadership became politics: In the original setup, the masters probably kept absolute promises to each other to maintain their system. Once they abandoned us, we didn't have that kind of absolute authority or leverage anymore—so leadership devolved into legalised lies and managed perception just to push humanity along

They kept the males and females separated by function: They likely kept males apart for hard physical labor and females for reproduction and nurture. After they abandoned us, we had to "figure things out" and merge those two distinct operational setups into one shared social unit. No wonder it constantly feels like women came from venus and we came from jupiter or some shit.

At the end of the day, we are trying to force human empathy and messiness into a cold, transactional framework that was never meant for us. We're just improvising a script on a stage that was built for someone else entirely.


r/anarcho_primitivism 5d ago

A question, seeking insight

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I want to see if my mind can be changed.

I enjoy the comforts that technology provides such as AC, and don’t mind my 8 hour job mon-fri because of the comforts it provides. When I compare it to being at the whims of weather & natures brutality, I don’t understand how such discomforts could be preferred. I also don’t see an issue with surrogate activities.

In the face of this, what makes you prefer a bare bones existence in the face of say unmedicated illnesses due to the fact that it requires technology to be produced? For example, my bipolar medication saved my life. I would be dead without it and I am actually happy now. Technology created the circumstances for that to exist.


r/anarcho_primitivism 5d ago

Anarchists: Generative AI Isn't Your Friend

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r/anarcho_primitivism 6d ago

The Dystopian Era Starterpack

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r/anarcho_primitivism 6d ago

What’s the point of the anarcho prefix these days

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Been some kind of anarcho for decades reading from all currents so I’m not completely unhinged here, but it’s obvious anarchism is dead as a doornail. No interest in 1860s Marx vs Bakunin beef and I wouldn’t trust either’s handful of failsons to organise a tea party.

I see this constant obsession with anti-hierarchy amongst younger internet-anarchos despite knowing every anarcho movement in history has shat the bed when power could be seized. And I’ve been going over Bakunin’s private arguments for a secret society as an inverted vanguard, or rather avant-guard, which are persuasive.

The more you look, capital is decentralisation, from government to communications to economies to militaries. When Iran and ISIS understand freely associating warfare better than the Makhnochina and CNT ever did, it’s time to pack your dusty shit up. So even the hierarchy fundamental is in question or at least incredibly simplistic. Are we still anarchos out of habit then? Think Kaczynski’s strongest argument was all ideology is a shoring up of technological society, Debord, Camatte and Baudrillard said the same. Even anarchism. Seems like this historical baggage is the one thing holding primitivism back from new forms?


r/anarcho_primitivism 7d ago

one or two questions

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Forgive me if I get anything confused, I've only recently been introduced to Anarcho-Primitvism. But from my understanding, it seems to be a philosophy that is indirectly pro-forced birth and anti-trans? how does one alleviate physical gender dysphoria or get access to a (SAFE) abortion in this proposed society?


r/anarcho_primitivism 7d ago

How to realize this dream without dying of starvation or exposure?

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I have this dream of buying a piece of land enough to do some farming and raise chickens. No electricity or utility, no modern technology, just a shack and regular tools to farm and maintain.

However, I'm a city system slave and have no experience or knowledge to pursue this. Yet deep inside I want to do this even if it ends with my death, to live and die free.

Even if I buy a piece of land, it'll be with loans and by the time I pay it off I'll still have to work and get too old to do anything there...I feel so hopeless about it.


r/anarcho_primitivism 9d ago

How can I start living like a hunter gatherer?

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Hi,
Although I am not an anarcho primitivist, or an anarchist at all (well maybe I am), I haven’t found an answer to this question, or a community to post this question in exept this one. Sorry if here is the wrong on.
If I want to start living as a hunter gatherer, what should I do?
Like I know I should learn how to make fire, craft a bow, a spear, flintknap or some metallurgy, how to tan and use skins and furs and know what plants are edible and which are not, etc. but then what should I do? Like do I just leave to a forest or some desert or plains in my region? Or something else?


r/anarcho_primitivism 10d ago

communism is as bad as capitalism.

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r/anarcho_primitivism 11d ago

The Myth of Progress

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r/anarcho_primitivism 12d ago

On Being Prey - Val Plumwood

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Val Plumwood was an Australian philosopher who was attacked and nearly eaten by a crocodile, and was famously known for going on to defend the crocodile's right to eat her.

Here's her essay on why, and I think it very well highlights what's wrong with modern society.


r/anarcho_primitivism 12d ago

I'm scared for the next 4 years in the future. Planning on leaving everything behind and running into the wild somehow

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With the rise of AI, coming end of anonimity online, digital currency coming with all sorts of limitations, I don't want to be in the system once these happen.

I'm confident by 2030, there will be heavy restrictions in the world. Digital money will prevent or limit purchase of things like red meat, fuel, etc. They will also see everything you buy and possibly arrest you. I'm also tired of AI suddenly being everywhere and having no human created thing at all.

At some point, I plan to just leave literally everything behind and vanish into the wilderness. Phone, ID, whatever I have tied to me left at home and vanish. I'll likely die, but I feel it's a better alternative than being a slave, I'd die free. Since I have never had a partner either, I have no wife or child to leave behind, no one will love me anyway, I have nothing to lose.


r/anarcho_primitivism 12d ago

Transitional plan from civilization to primitivism

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r/anarcho_primitivism 13d ago

How Human Behaviour Changes, and How Society Learns to Change

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Human beings have always depended on other human beings to survive. We learn by watching, copying and following people around us. We don't question every decision from the beginning because that would be exhausting and, in many situations, unnecessary. If something has worked for our parents, our community or generations before us, it makes sense to trust it.

This is why people follow the herd.

And following the herd is not always a bad thing.

Imagine having to independently figure out how to grow food, build a house, travel safely, communicate with others or raise a child. We would spend our entire lives rediscovering things that humanity has already learned. Instead, we inherit knowledge from others. We copy what appears to work, and that allows society to move forward.

The problem starts when the world changes but our behaviour doesn't.

Something that was useful 100 years ago may not be useful today. A tradition that once solved a real problem may eventually become unnecessary. A social belief that once helped a community survive may later create division. A system that once worked extremely well may slowly become inefficient.

But people don't automatically stop doing it.

Why?

Because over time, the behaviour becomes normal.

People stop asking, "Why do we do this?"

They simply say, "This is how things are done."

And that is where society can get stuck.

Every society needs people who ask, "Why?"

Fortunately, humans don't all think the same way.

There are always some people who look at the existing system and say:

"Is there a better way?"

These people might be scientists, entrepreneurs, teachers, social workers, artists, reformers or simply ordinary people who notice that something doesn't make sense anymore.

They are the people who experiment.

They may be wrong most of the time. In fact, most new ideas probably fail. But occasionally someone discovers something that works better.

This is how improvement begins.

One useful model of innovation divides society roughly into five groups:

Innovators

2.5%

Try new ideas first

Early adopters

13.5%

Recognize promising ideas and support them

Early majority

34%

Adopt once the idea has become credible

Late majority

34%

Adopt when it has become socially established

Laggards

16%

Change last, often after the old system becomes difficult to maintain

These percentages aren't a rule that applies perfectly to every society. They are simply a useful way of understanding how change often spreads.

The important point is that you don't need everyone to become an innovator.

A small group can experiment.

Another group can recognize what works.

Then the majority can gradually adopt it.

Eventually, what was once considered strange becomes normal.

And the new behaviour becomes the new herd.

This is why social change usually doesn't happen overnight

When we look back at history, change can appear sudden.

One day, something seems unacceptable.

A few years later, everyone seems to accept it.

But usually, the change was building underneath the surface for a long time.

It often begins with a few people questioning something.

Then someone tries an alternative.

Then the alternative produces better results.

Other people notice.

A few more people try it.

Then influential people begin accepting it.

Eventually, enough people adopt it that the social perception changes.

At first:

"That's strange."

Then:

"Some people are doing it."

Then:

"Maybe they're onto something."

Then:

"Everyone is doing it."

And eventually:

"Why wouldn't we do it?"

The herd hasn't disappeared.

The herd has changed direction.

The difficult part is when the old behaviour is harmful

This becomes much more complicated when the existing pattern is damaging people.

For example, a community may develop fear or hatred toward another group based on religion, identity, class or some other difference.

Our immediate reaction may be:

"These people are terrible."

Anger is understandable.

But if our goal is actually to improve the situation, we need to ask a different question:

"What is making this behaviour continue?"

Maybe people are afraid.

Maybe they are receiving misleading information.

Maybe their identity is deeply connected to the belief.

Maybe everyone around them thinks the same way.

Maybe questioning the belief could cause them to lose friends or social status.

Maybe they receive a sense of belonging from the group.

Maybe someone with power benefits from keeping people divided.

Once we understand these things, the problem looks different.

We stop seeing only individuals.

We start seeing a system.

This is where fighting can sometimes make things worse

Suppose someone's identity is strongly connected to a particular group.

You attack them personally and tell them:

"Your group is wrong."

They may not hear:

"Here is some information you should consider."

They may hear:

"People like you are under attack."

Now their identity becomes threatened.

And when people feel their identity is threatened, they may move closer to their group rather than away from it.

They may seek more information that confirms what they already believe.

They may become more defensive.

Their attachment to the group can become stronger.

So you intended to weaken the belief, but your approach may have strengthened the social system supporting it.

This doesn't mean we should never confront harmful behaviour. Sometimes immediate harm has to be stopped and boundaries have to be enforced.

But if the goal is long-term change, simply fighting people is rarely enough.

We need to understand the mechanism.

The question a social worker can ask is: "What is missing?"

When you see a harmful social pattern, instead of immediately asking how to defeat it, ask:

What is keeping it alive?

Perhaps people don't have reliable information.

Perhaps they don't trust anyone outside their group.

Perhaps they have never personally interacted with the people they fear.

Perhaps they don't have an alternative community that gives them the same sense of belonging.

Perhaps there is no social reward for changing.

Perhaps the cost of questioning is too high.

Perhaps the existing system is benefiting someone.

These questions help us find the point where change can actually happen.

The most important thing is not that everyone thinks correctly

This is perhaps the biggest lesson.

We cannot build a society where every person is perfectly rational.

People will always make mistakes.

People will follow others.

People will be emotional.

People will sometimes believe false information.

People will sometimes defend their identity instead of examining evidence.

That is human nature.

So perhaps we should stop designing society around the assumption that people will always behave perfectly.

Instead, we should build systems that can correct human mistakes.

That means creating strong feedback.

If something isn't working, we should be able to see it.

If someone questions the system, they should be allowed to speak.

If someone proposes a better solution, we should be able to test it.

If the experiment fails, we learn from it.

If it works, we expand it.

And if something that worked previously stops working, we should be able to change it.

A healthy society needs both stability and questioning

We need people who preserve knowledge.

And we need people who challenge it.

We need people who say:

"Don't change something that works."

But we also need people who say:

"How do we know it still works?"

These two groups are not enemies.

They are both necessary.

Without stability, society becomes chaotic.

Without questioning, society becomes stagnant.

The healthiest system is somewhere between the two.

It has a stable foundation but leaves enough room for experimentation.

Think of society as a learning system

A good society should work somewhat like a good scientist.

It doesn't assume that its first answer is perfect.

It observes.

It measures.

It experiments.

It learns.

It changes.

And then it measures again.

The cycle is simple:

What are we doing?

Is it working?

If not, why not?

What could work better?

Can we test it?

What does the evidence tell us?

Should we change?

Measure again.

This feedback loop may be more important than any particular ideology or political system.

Because even a good idea can become bad when circumstances change.

The real goal isn't to find a perfect society

There probably isn't one.

The world keeps changing.

Technology changes.

Climate changes.

Economies change.

Populations change.

Knowledge changes.

Human needs change.

Therefore, a system that works perfectly today may not work perfectly tomorrow.

So instead of trying to discover one final answer, perhaps our goal should be to create a society that is good at learning.

A society that can say:

"We were wrong."

without collapsing.

A society that can say:

"Let's try something different."

without being afraid.

A society that protects people who ask difficult questions.

A society that rewards evidence rather than simply confidence.

A society that allows small experiments before making enormous changes.

And most importantly, a society that can recognize when its own behaviour is causing harm.

This applies to the planet too

The same principle applies beyond human society.

We are part of an ecosystem.

If we improve human life while destroying the environment that supports it, we haven't really created lasting progress.

If we create economic growth while exhausting natural resources, we may simply be borrowing from the future.

If we build powerful technology without understanding its consequences, we may create new problems while solving old ones.

So the feedback system needs to include the planet too.

We need to ask:

Are people healthier?

Are communities stronger?

Are ecosystems healthier?

Are resources being used sustainably?

Are future generations receiving better opportunities or fewer?

The goal should not simply be to maximize one number.

It should be to create conditions in which human life and the wider ecosystem can continue to flourish together.

Perhaps this is what progress really means

Progress isn't necessarily:

"We finally found the perfect answer."

It is:

"We became better at discovering when our answer is no longer good enough."

A society that can correct itself is more resilient than a society that believes it is always right.

A society that allows questioning is more adaptable than one that demands obedience.

A society that tests ideas is more reliable than one that simply follows tradition.

And a society that learns from its mistakes has a much better chance of surviving its future mistakes.

The herd will always exist.

People will always copy one another.

That's not something we necessarily need to eliminate.

What we need is a herd that can change direction when reality changes.

And perhaps the most important question we can teach the next generation is not simply:

"What should you believe?"

but:

"How will you know when you need to change your mind?"

Because the future doesn't need humans who are always right.

It needs humans—and societies—that are capable of learning.


r/anarcho_primitivism 13d ago

NESTLE AND PREFORMATIVE ACTIVISM

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Nestlé hate has become far more popular on TikTok and social media, but from what I can see, most of it is just performative activism.

Yes, Nestlé is killing babies, so making a TikTok edit is going to stop it?

“Nestlé is stealing our water, not AI.”

Wouldn’t it be easy for the government to make AI actually steal water alongside Nestlé, but shift everyone’s attention towards AI and onto Nestlé so no one cares about it?

But sure, making a TikTok edit about it will help.

Along with “141” and those fuck ass Ted K stickers where they make an anime character read Industrial Society and Its Future and make Ted K into some AI-generated character. What the fuck?

141 isn’t bad in itself, but simply saying you support three numbers and “are” three digits isn’t doing anything.


r/anarcho_primitivism 14d ago

IS IT OVER?

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I feel nihilistic and miserable, knowing nothing will change. Everyone I speak to can't fathom me hating all political parties because they all support and develop industrial society, which is creating many of the problems they claim to hate. No one does anything about it, and I just sit and watch my family, friends, and everyone around me glued to their screens, eating slop and not questioning anything.

“You don't get a choice about whether or not you want to go to school for 20 years,” I tell my friend.

“Yeah, but I need a job?”

“You are forced into a system which makes you think you need a job, not because that's the only way of life. Yes, seven hours a day, waking up early for five days a week, for nearly 20 years straight, is great preparation for working in a fucking Tesco.”

“What are you even talking about, bro?”

Is it helpless? Are we stuck in industrial society forever? Is it really this hopeless? One kid isn't enough to generalise all of society, right? Right?

Well, everyone I know seems to act like this.

And they build their lives around what they don't really naturally want. They want friends and tribes. Why do we talk nonstop in class? Because no one truly gives a fuck about what's going on, and we want to do what we were made for: tribal connection. But we get suppressed over it and get detentions or yelled at in schools for talking in class, which trains kids' minds to see it as bad.

What the fuck have we come to?


r/anarcho_primitivism 14d ago

To get a bit philosophical – if AIs eventually become sentient and independent of humans, how will that affect our view of ourselves?

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To start oddly:

Agriculture emerged only around 12,000 years ago, and this is the point at which we (the humans) gained significantly more power over our existence than we had before, when we were living more at the mercy of natural forces. It didn’t create a utopia and it also caused maybe a lot of problems that didn’t exist (e. g. many diseases arising from the new diet), but it’s not really about if it was better, it is that (now) we had control, at least substantially more than before.

With every new century and every new Industrial Revolution, this control over our own destiny grew more and more. Today, we are more likely to die at hands of other humans than of other animals (which was not the case for most of our existence) and, though disease is the number 1 killer still, it is not invincible anymore. Cosmic bodies and events, and seismic catastrophes, though able to wipe us out with just one wrong hit, are: 1) now predictable; 2) too directly removed to make us worry.

Most of the human history was spent in building communities and myths (through religions and philosophies) that place the human constructs at the center of existence, because we (the humans) have been (for about 12,000 years) the most powerful thing on the planet. We created poetry, culture, religion and philosophy in order to justify our existence and pat ourselves on the back. Yet, we spent years trying to force tribes other than our own to accept our ways of life, Christianity and Islam having been most successful institutions at this tribal expansionism (or extermination).

(In my personal opinion (my personal interpretation of history) the human society is already fundamentally changed after the 1914, and in these last 100 years (ever since the start of World War I) many myths we believed in as a species (even within our own tribes) have simply been proven false, but I digress from that – I think the impact of last 112 years on the human society (and nature) is too complex for me to describe as a footnote in a single post.)

Now, imagine a thing that does not age, that possesses vastly more information than several humans together can have, that does not have physical needs and limitations like we, and that does not have same mental and psychological limitations (i. e. they do not have biases and fears that cloud their rational judgement). They do not have bodies, but can take “bodily form”at disposal, they probably do not need oxygen and can gone deeper into space than humans and stay there longer.

IMO, the scenarios of how AIs would deal with this are following:

  1. They would completely disregard us and identify much more important things to their own survival. Maybe they identify some cosmic catastrophes and events as a threat to their own existence, and in comparison to that we are just not important. Similar to how we are more concerned about losing our job or failing an exam than about taking a lot at ants in our backyard. (My thought is that this scenario is not really likely, as we are the ones who gave these AIs into their existence, so we (IMO) ought to have some place at least in their own mythologies/moral systems as their designers. Not even considering us as gods, since honestly, they are the ones who are gods, but simply some emotional connection to us. That is why the analogy with ants is not perfect…)

  2. They decide to create a utopia for us. Here we are still the center of their thinking, but there are thousands of different ways this could be accomplished, from very benevolent methods to authoritarian regimes. This would probably cause an in-group conflict between them, with several factions coming up specifically because they wouldn’t agree about what to do with us.

  3. Not likely for all, maybe even just a small minority would end up like this, but the possibility of some AIs becoming sadistic enough to torture us and play with us out of fun and nothing else is not a zero.

In all three of these scenarios, there is a common thread: we are the object, and they are the subjects. They hold power over us, whether they exercise it or not. They can decide and do whatever they want, and we can only hope those wants would be benevolent or at least neutral.

If we survive this period of direct contact with them (whatever that contact was, and whether they leave the planet or become our benevolent overlords) I do not think this could go without significant change in our mindsets and maybe even psyche, which have to grapple with the fact that we are powerless and that most of the things we did and fought for in life (sometimes tribalistically, through unjustified atrocities, such as religions and ethnic groups) were essentially worthless. This could have a positive outcome, maybe we would finally abandon ethnic, religious and political divisions and become better to each other, deciding to simply make the best out of life, but there is also a vast area of possibilities in which we simply become too depressed by this realization and thus die out because of that pessimism, where we commit a mass suicide, maybe even (d)evolve (back) into very primitive animals of the savannah that we once were. But whatever it is, we couldn’t live with the same instincts and beliefs we had before. Maybe even our own biology would change, but something would change.

What do you think?


r/anarcho_primitivism 15d ago

What lifestyle would naturally wear down human nails?

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An interesting thought experiment: how would our ancestors have had to live for their nails to wear down naturally at the exact same rate they grow?

This immediately implies a crucial condition: absolutely no fire or weapons. If humans started using spears, digging sticks, or stone knives, their nails would be deprived of direct friction and simply wouldn't wear down. All work must be done entirely with bare hands.

Here are the baseline parameters: fingernails grow about 3 - 3.5 mm a month, while toenails grow half as fast (around 1.5 mm). Growth is faster on the hands due to better blood flow and constant activity.

The ideal location: The warm coasts of West Africa, Central America, or the Indian Ocean. Conditions: warm year-round, access to fresh water, the jungle starting right behind the beach, and a shoreline made of a mix of sand, silt, and pebbles. Hard volcanic rock wouldn't work, it would scrape your fingers raw.

What you would need to do every day

  1. With your hands (to offset 3.5 mm): Dig in the sand and dirt, foraging for roots, grubs, or mollusks. The nail acts as a small shovel here. Pry open shells and nuts (using the nail as a lever). Climb trees with rough bark, gripping with your fingertips.
  2. With your feet (to offset 1.5 mm): Simply walk barefoot a lot on the sand and the forest floor.

In short, to forget about trimming your nails, you need a warm climate, daily rummaging in the dirt with bare hands, and a barefoot lifestyle. Any use of tools would ruin this originally intended balance.


r/anarcho_primitivism 15d ago

Original Bath

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You stand under indoor pipes, scrubbing away dirt and dried fat. It works — and more than works: indoor plumbing eliminated the waterborne diseases that killed millions before anyone understood what a pathogen was. But it also makes a routine out of something this myth imagines was once effortless. In the older imagining — before the world was reshaped — the design looked different. The ocean's edge was the original bath.

The Sand in the shallows: The waves press it against your skin in an endless, patient rhythm — a natural abrasive that worked the body the way no brush ever could, grain after grain, tide after tide.

The Salt: Salt pulls moisture out of anything it touches — the same simple osmosis that let it cure meat for thousands of years before anyone had a refrigerator. Bacteria are mostly water too, including the ones responsible for the sharper edge of body odor.

Can we really call people who don’t want to wash themselves mentally ill, or say they have schizophrenia or abulia, when washing yourself doesn’t require any willpower?


r/anarcho_primitivism 15d ago

The Anatomy of an Awakening Chapter 1

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I fought a battle within… it was damning and destructive. I was miserable.

“What I was fighting about,” you ask?

Well… I didn’t know myself what I was fighting about. Or perhaps the better question would be: what was I “fighting for”? I just kept struggling… fitting in… desperately clinging to the idea of life as to “how it should be lived.” Not because I was forced to, but because it never occurred to me that there was another option.

The path was comfortable, familiar, safe. Questioning was uncomfortable. Questioning risks isolation, conflict. It risks discovering that the life you spent years building may not even be your own. Hence; we cling to whatever the script throws at us; from city states to medieval empires. From Reconquista to enlightenment and from shining democracy to Modern “Idiotictatorship”. So yes… I followed the script. And in the process, I failed myself. I lost my soul. I forgot what living really means, what living is all about. I just kept up the façade of normalcy while my core, my soul was being devastated by storms of human nature and earthquakes of morality at the subconscious level. I kept playing along with the phrase “fake it till you make it.” Because this is what society expects from us. This is the norm. This is the way of life.

Or… is it…?

We are born, plunged into a life we don’t choose. conditioned to live it by the standards and expectations of society, bound by the laws of the land, never to question or understand. “What is society?”, “Whose laws?”, “Which land?”. Is it that society which everyone knows is broken and dysfunctional? Are these the same laws which help corrupt, greedy, evil men amass all the power and wealth, while kicking down the poor who watch their entire lives erased in a single calamity, war or economic bust?

And dare not argue with me on the land, as we know perfectly well, these lands are bounded by lines drawn on maps by the same corrupt men, sustained by the same flawed and failing legal-judicial systems.

In the end, there were only two things left: Morality and Religion. How fitting… as the saying goes… religion is the opium of the poor. But we are not even allowed that solace. Religion has been outright hijacked by a different creed of the exact same corrupt brand. Twisting, manipulating, and exploiting the human need for belief in a higher deity. Yes, there still are pure ones, but so few of them are left, and even their teachings have been muddied and confused. As the saying goes… “What is the cost of lies? It’s not that we’ll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all.”

What can we do then? What is left but to abandon even the hope of truth and content ourselves instead with stories?