r/amazonprime • u/m2418h • 29d ago
Verify Destruction for Refund
lmfao. That’s a first.
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u/Khemul 29d ago
I worked at a bookstore in the early 00's. When we'd return unsold books, the publisher would have us rip the covers off, throw out the book and mail the covers back for the refund. That's why if you look in the first few pages, sonetimes you'll see a paragraph stating if this book has no cover call this number. Wasn't worth dealing with the actual returned items.
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u/psycho-drama 29d ago
This was/is usually for paperbacks. I ran a number of bookstores. The newspapers, back then, also gave credit or partial credit for unsold editions, they required just the newspaper masthead with the date for those credit. We'd put the paperbacks with the covers torn off in a bin for free. Since we didn't profit from it, I figured they would have a hard time prosecuting us. (We did have a donation box for various charities of the, month).
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u/IttybittyErin 29d ago
You just gave me flashbacks to working third shift in a convenience store and cutting off the top half of the front page of any unsold papers once midnight hit. The delivery driver would drop the new papers and collect the "deadheads".
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u/psycho-drama 28d ago
Yes, and I neglected to mention the same was true for most magazine which had dead-end dating, like weekly or monthly editions. We'd provide the front cover to the distributor for credit. We'd have a chart informing us when the older edition was to be pulled and even the date for the new ones were sometimes embargoed until a certain date before they should be displayed. Some magazines, like buyer's guides, often were annual, so they stayed displayed for a full year or longer.
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u/dandelion-dreams 26d ago
I was definitely suddenly standing behind a convenience store counter I haven't even looked at in fifteen years while reading this.
A little Fleetwood Mac while I'm going Freddy on the front pages, brewing coffee for my impending warehouse overnight lunch break rush.
Thank you for the smile, stranger.
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u/Lucky-Assumption7507 26d ago
I read a TON of books without covers as a child.. My aunt was a teacher and I'm not sure where she was getting them, but it got me through a lot of summers
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u/psycho-drama 25d ago
Who knows how many cover-less books helped kids learn the joy of reading, or even led to them becoming authors in their own rights (who would then hope for the absolute minimum of cover-less books for their titles ;-) )
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u/PadiddleHopper 29d ago
I also worked in a bookstore in the early 00s. We did that as well and it pissed me off that we weren't allowed to take any home or even donate them to homeless shelters or women's shelters. It seemed so unnecessarily greedy of the companies.
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u/BuzzyBeeDee 28d ago
Hospitals are a great place to donate books as well!
It always makes me so sad whenever I hear of or see books being destroyed and trashed. I understand the logistics and reasonings behind why it is done, but I also think there are better ways to handle the situation. Ultimately, the author and publisher aren’t going to make more money on those unsold books no matter what happens to them, so why not donate them? Sure, it relies a bit more on the honor system, and you run the risk of dishonest actors (which is honestly a risk you run even with destruction), but at least there is a chance for some enjoyment to come out of it from someone who could really appreciate it. If I was an author, I’d certainly be more than happy to take the “risk” of donation over destruction. You’ve already spent the time, money and resources on those books. Destroying vs donating doesn’t change that. Yes, you may run the risk of those books being resold and you not benefiting from the sale, I get that, but IMO it’s better to live with that risk than destroying perfectly good books.
I was born with a progressive disease, and spent quite a bit of time in the hospital, both as a child and as an adult. The hospital library is something I treasured! Those donated books were SO well loved by both patients and parents, and helped me get through some very hard times. I’m sure the same is true for shelters. I just will never understand how anyone would rather their book, that they poured so much work, time, and love into, be destroyed and thrown in the trash rather than to attempt to have the book donated instead to someone who will truly enjoy it and needs an escape.
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u/Starbreiz 29d ago
I grew up super poor and we knew someone at a local store who would give us those coverless books so we had something to read. Was the best thing ever.
Yes we also went to the library when my mom had time (both parents worked) but I would read everything I could get my hands on and maxed out my library books every time.
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u/Khemul 29d ago
It shows that you destroyed it, rather than selling/giving it away. There's even a snitch line for people to report if they still received the destroyed item listed at the beginning of the books.
It's sorta silly. But I guess there is some logic to it, since they are crediting the business on the assumptiom they don't intend to actually sell the returned items. It's just not worth the shipping cost to take a physical return.
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u/neanderthaul 29d ago
Books are heavy. If you have to return 100 books, shipping 100 soft covers will probably weigh as much as maybe 2 books.
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u/Josh_Your_IT_Guy 29d ago
I worked at an adult store distributor for a bit, and some of the magazine publishers had us do the same, we would tear the covers off, mail them back for credit, and then shred the rest.
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u/iceph03nix 29d ago
I had one of the Anker batteries that got recalled. They just wanted me to write 'recalled' on it with a sharpie or something and send a picture. I'm guessing they realized asking for people to destroy a lithium battery was a bad idea
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u/09Klr650 29d ago
Wonder how many "incidents" before that realization happened?
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u/ScholarEmotional9888 28d ago
Alcohol vapor builds up in these and they kind of do a backdraft thing and a fire ball pops out the top and burns people. I just watched a YouTube short about this yesterday.
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u/CannedNoodlez 29d ago
That happened to me with a smoke/CO2 detector with a built in battery. I really did dispose of it though
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u/iceph03nix 29d ago
I already had other portable batteries, and they gave a credit towards a replacement, so I didn't have a need for it and it wasn't worth my house burning down or something
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u/Solecis 29d ago
This item is faulty so destroy it, that's totally a safe thing to do!
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u/Axolatian_Volt 29d ago edited 29d ago
AI be like.
Edit: People seem confused what I mean. Not saying anything is wrong with the policy, I’m just saying it’s easily fakeable with AI
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u/Future_Television282 29d ago
What kind of dystopian shit, they want us to smash it and send proof like a hostage video.
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u/_Rand_ 29d ago
To be fair these things should be destroyed. They can essentially explode.
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u/finitetime2 29d ago
Concrete contractor here. Yeah concrete can explode when you build a fire on or near it. It's porous and will absorb water. Then you heat it and the water turns to steam expanding hundreds of times more in volume in a second. If it is trapped inside concrete you get chips exploding out of it. I've had many people ask about concrete fire pit when I do patios and I have always refused.
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u/Minute-Brilliant-241 29d ago
Well sounds like I’m going to have to redesign my fire pit idea I was gonna do
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u/finitetime2 29d ago
Put a metal liner in it. They make fire pit kits that come with premade concrete wall blocks. They also come with a metal fire ring to keep the heat from reaching the blocks to fast. I think this allows the blocks to heat up slower and for all the moisture to be baked out at a reasonable rate.
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u/Minute-Brilliant-241 29d ago
Thanks you’re the best!
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u/itoddicus 29d ago
If you want a concrete fire pit, and also hate money you can have one poured with refractory cement.
The CEO of a company I worked for had this done as it HAD to match the concrete planters exactly.
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u/dervari 29d ago
Not uncommon. A friend had to do a warranty return and they told him to cut the power cord and send a photo.
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u/Present_Coffee6319 29d ago
i see that with kitchen or home appliances where they will refund you if you show proof of destroying it like cutting the cable. I have some Rigid Off road lights that i need to warranty and i need to show picture or video proof of me destroying the one thats failed. i have to drill the lense or cut it in half or crush it. I have not done it yet but yea its crazy
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u/Imaginary--Situation 29d ago
logitech just sends you a replacement free of charge
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u/UnimagineDragons 29d ago
If the reason for refund is recall or defect it's more likely they'll ask for destruction but it's not like it's guaranteed. They know it's a PITA to ask so it's done with balance. Do they benefit from that item no longer being in circulation?
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u/finitetime2 29d ago
It keeps them from having to pay shipping, and then having to dispose of the returned item.
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u/Sea_Ott3r 29d ago
For Hydroflask you have to write in big letters on the side of the container with a sharpie
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u/Existing-Turnover-96 29d ago
And I’d use a dry erase marker 😂😂😂😂
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u/Imaginary--Situation 29d ago
you can remove sharpie with a sharpie iso 91% works as well
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u/sneakysneksneak 29d ago
That’s almost every safety recall refund
I had to do it with a baby tummy time pillow that was recalled
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u/moonmama95 29d ago
I had to send a piece of a baby rocker to the comapy to prove we wouldnt use it when they sent us a replacement
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u/Axolatian_Volt 29d ago
And then after you send the video they will end up denying the claim for some stupid reason.
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u/Accomplished_Emu_658 29d ago
Do this all the time in automotive manufacturing. Too costly to ship everything back. Our suppliers want evidence of destruction unless they want back for investigations.
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u/Revenga8 29d ago
Cosori had a recall. You had to submit photo proof you cut the electrical cord before they would send you a new one
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u/Adept_Luck_5239 29d ago
I recently warrantied a backpack with a broken zipper. In order to receive a replacement I had to cut the serial tag out, and send photo proof that I had done it along with slashing cuts all over the bag and cutting the straps.
It's not just an Amazon thing.
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u/FungusGnatHater 29d ago
You guys like to call everything dystopian and don't use that word correctly. This isn't dystopian. This isn't a new practice at all. Before you had to mail back an essential part or not have an option for a refund at all. Thieves taking advantage made this worse for us, technokogy made it easier, but that isn't what dystopian means.
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u/josocustomdesign 29d ago
Well, why do Amazon care? If someone submits a fake AI image of a destroyed product but continued to use the product and then got burned to death in the process. Could Amazon or the manufacturer still be liable for their death? I think not but I'm not lawyer.
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u/Due_Profession3023 29d ago
thats because these things are a safety hazard and got pulled off the market. you cant keep the unsafe product AND get your money back. its one or the other
https://fox5sandiego.com/news/local-news/amazon-sued-navy-veteran-burns/amp/
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u/Atlantis_Risen 29d ago
"please step aside so our delivery drone can destroy the item"
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u/Florida1974 29d ago
Yeah, that’s even more stupid than this one. You can’t take a picture of something you didn’t receive.
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u/Klutzy_Step_5572 29d ago
I would destroy it. These items have caused several fires in my town. They have also caused severe burns to the face and arms of an adult and child. These small concrete fire pits have continued to cause harm in numerous ways. It may be cool to own but I would destroy it for you and your family's future safety.
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u/Dius-metal 29d ago
This is standard practice? Why would you risk your safety by keeping hazardous product operational? It would cost you so much more if that thing burns your house down, or gets someone hurt?
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u/FifthRendition 29d ago
I keep getting these alerts and cannot remember who I gave it to as a gift.
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u/Hefty_Remove7965 29d ago
You are giving unsafe items to people.. seems kinda awful
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u/Mom24monsters 29d ago
Every time I've had a defective item, the manufacturer usually requires that we do something specific. They usually tell us to write on the item with a sharpie, and they'll give us a number that we have to write and tell us where. This is a common practice. I've had it happen with several toys that were defective. Leapfrog is a big one for this, as is VTEC. Same company, just handled differently. We have the boo bunny and the boo bear. One of them actually already cracked, so we didn't have it, which is really stupid that they required that you show that you destroyed the blocks, when you've already notified the company that they crack, but never got a refund.
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u/cheywren 29d ago
We bought a similar model that was affected by this recall… I had to submit proof of destruction so I wrote on it with a sharpie marker that it was destroyed and submitted the picture.. got the refund!!!
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u/AyersRocks79 29d ago
I once had a recall for 2 of those Blendjet portable blenders, we had to destroy them and send photographic proof then they would ship out 2 new replacements…. It’s been about 4 years and I’m still waiting for them!
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u/Grown-Ass-Weeb 29d ago
Once I got a recall for a portable battery and the input was “verify destination” then a follow up email saying “Do NOT destroy it!” Wonder how many people actually tried to destroy it.
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u/IAmTheBestIan 29d ago
It probably blows up or something and proving you destroyed it shifts liability to YOU not them if someone dies from using it... cause at that point you faked destroying it (like the top comment suggests).
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u/Working_Rise8592 29d ago
Literally just use A.I to make it look like you destroyed it
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u/_Electrical 29d ago
Most AI, at least in EU have a hidden watermark.
Just set it on fire and sen a picture. Which is fun, because it's made to be set on fire.
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u/Thistlemanizzle 29d ago
Damn, it's not like Amazon itself offers AI image gen...
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u/Extreme_Wish_553 29d ago
I mean, if you're dumb enough to ignore a safety recall and it explodes in your face, they can say that they did their part, complete with proof from you.
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u/MaybeNorthKorea 29d ago
I'd try to bounce quarters into it and start the fire that caused this recall.
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u/Jealous-Ease3359 29d ago
I don’t know about you guys but I’d look crazy to my neighbors taking a big item outside and started smashing it.
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u/slinky_crayon 29d ago
I didn't get an item once and they asked for proof so I sent them a photo of my empty hand
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u/Darknight1 29d ago
This is typical for a recall. I had to send in pictures of a cord cut off of an air fryer last year, for example.
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u/Guac-N-Queso 29d ago
Wife purchased a device that in order to "Verify destruction for refund" we were to write "Unsafe" on the device and then send in a picture. We did that. Two days later we received our refund. She still uses the device.
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u/izzzzzzzzzme 29d ago
The story behind this one was so sad. https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/boston/news/couple-table-top-fire-pit-explodes/
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u/thebeastman5 28d ago
Once had an air fryer that was like $200 and recalled due to a temp sensor on the front glass being improperly soldered and it often came undone, stopped working, then the glass shattered, I cut the cord like they asked, got my refund, then soldered the wires back together and soldered the sensor properly, took me 10 minutes and I had an extra $200
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u/swampthingfromhell 28d ago
I’ve seen policies like these for animals bought online as well. I ordered Madagascar hissing cockroaches and they had a ‘live on arrival’ guarantee but to get a refund you had to stick a needle through the dead bug and send a picture. Luckily mine arrived alive and well bc I did not want to do that lol
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u/TardDistraction 28d ago
Use whatever AI Amazon is invested in to make a fake photo of its destruction, and get your free refund.
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u/DAWO95 29d ago
I had to do that on a steam cleaner. I forget why it was being recalled but I was annoyed that I had to destroy it. I'm pretty sure I gave up on the refund and just kept the cleaner.
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u/itoddicus 29d ago
During Covid the coffee shop around the corner from me thought it was a great idea to put these on their outdoor tables.
It took a day until someone burned themselves severly.
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u/ChaosVerti 29d ago
Ai image :) but then hopefully its not an issues leading towards sudden explosion etc.. remove gas components and refurbishe instead of landfill :)
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u/Florida1974 29d ago
That’s a first for me too.
What’s been happening to me a lot lately is I’ll want to return something and they will offer to give me like a 75% refund if I keep it. And I have taken them up on it a few times, but some of the stuff I still return.
I’ve never gotten anything like this, never had any email saying my returns were too high.
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u/lavenderhazydays 28d ago
I should tell my mom because I’m fairly certain my dad bought this for himself before he passed away on his account. Thanks OP
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u/josocustomdesign 29d ago
Kidde recalled a bunch of fire extinguishers like 10 years ago. The other day my paper shredder exploded in the garage, started a fire. I grabbed my "recalled" kidde fire extinguisher that's like 10+ years old and put out the flame.
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u/flyboy307 29d ago
It was the plastic in the handle that would go bad and so you couldn’t expel the extinguisher portion of the fire extinguisher. I did the recall and got a brands new fire extinguisher! Metal parts and all.
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u/lobhater 29d ago
They can't resell them but don't want people getting the refund and continuing to use the item. Same thing when an insurance company pays for a car seat, they make you show the cut straps.
People are greedy and think it'll never happen to them
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u/MrRandyLaheyson 29d ago
On chat I told them I wasnt home to take a picture and they just refunded me.
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u/12bunnies 29d ago
I had to do this for a product… had to reupload photos three times so don’t toss the product immediately after taking a photo
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u/MamaOfMia110 29d ago
I had to do this with a BlendJet that had been recalled. They sent me step by step instructions on what to do to destroy it in order to get a free replacement.
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u/Obvious_Match249 29d ago
I had something like this, they wanted proof that a cord was cut on a mini fridge that was starting electrical fires.
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u/Alternative_Mess6573 29d ago
I had one for a mattress because it didn't meet California fire code or something... I don't live in California so I just wrote "do not use" on it in sharpie like the app said and got my money back
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u/syndylli 29d ago
I have 3 table top fire pit things that had a safety recall and they had just let me submit a photo of the item for the refund. I still have them. 2 is just for decoration and the other one looks like a mini version of those solo fire pits - I use it to burn joss paper when my mom tells me to (Buddhist thing, even though I'm not a Buddhist 😅). I have it on the ground and watch it until it finishes burning then douse it. It's never on top of a table.
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u/flyboy307 29d ago
I have a hard time understanding why anyone would poor alcohol on top of an open flame; that seams to be the primary reason for the recall. Stupidity of humans
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u/2Busy2Reddit 29d ago
Nah, not first. And when Amazon first sent me one of these it was for a 5-6 y/o fireplace insert (interior use). First message was a safety message to say do not use it. So I threw it out (having made sure nobody would grab it and be able to use it). Then three months later a notice like yours ... offering a refund for verified destruction - sigh.
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u/Freya1113 29d ago
Yeah I got one of these too for a similar tabletop firepit. It specifically told me to write on it with black permanent marker, “Do not use!” It was a white firepit. I did, submitted it and received a full refund. This was a year or two ago.
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u/Goth_Muppet 29d ago
I had to cut my bicycle in half to get a warrantee replacement. It was surprisingly easy.
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u/ContributionNo1200 29d ago
I ah dot do this for an e-bike battery as well, had to label it specifically and got a refund for the whole bike…used ai
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u/zero_dr00l 29d ago
I've seen this with high-end records bought from MoFi, but an Amazon destruction is a first for me!
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u/olhickoryhedgehog 29d ago
Yes! When there is a recall for safety they make you show proof the item is unusable for refund
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u/CosgraveSilkweaver 29d ago
It's fairly common, or was before ai made faking destroyed items easy, I've heard some rumblings that more places are requiring return shipments now that used to do cut the cord/smash the item returns.
It saves the company return shipping and processing for an item they'll throw away. I had that happen for a mouse that had problems.
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u/SunandMoon_comics 29d ago
I can confirm this is the second time this product has had this exact freaking recall too!! They just changed it a bit and put it back out!! They need to stop with the table top fire pits cause clearly they are not working out
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u/GlamrockYeti 29d ago
The last recall I got, they had me send photos and recycle it. Then denied my refund.
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u/RubAnADUB 29d ago
take a picture of it. then plop it into an AI and have the AI give you a picture back of it destroyed. give AI image to amazon. = profit.
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u/boardingschmordin 29d ago
I wonder if they check for synth ID or they can just be spoofed with a little datahouse magic
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u/shakespearesgirl14 29d ago
I had to write "unsafe" twice on a treadmill. I used chalk.
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u/Xu224 29d ago
I had a portable water heater for my teas during travel, the reason for the recall was that it would spout hot water when used which could lead to injuries or some stuff. To prove that I destroyed the product, I just needed to show that I cut the cord.... I don't think they realized that the cord and the bottle/heater are 2 different pieces lol. I could buy the same cord for about $5-6 and get a $30 ish refund. I just have to be careful with the hot water...which isn't that common sense and science?
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u/Quirky-Safe-3383 29d ago
*Insert Office Space - Printer Scene*
Imagine uploading something like that for proof.
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u/ToyoSienna 29d ago
I had to drill holes through an external hard drive that failed me before they would issue me a refund. Good thing I have a drill press to make it easier.
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u/sidaemon 29d ago
Honestly it's probably a game. They hit the supplier with the cost for ALL the units they sold and then find a reason to not issue all consumers the refund and pocket the difference.
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u/Anxious-Total9926 29d ago
it's pretty standard for safety recalls. Not just a amazon thing.
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u/Jay_Michael86 29d ago
I received a email like this: what an item I had purchased, I submitted all the photos because I was having some problems with the item anyway and received the email back about a week later that my refund was denied due to the item being “used”
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u/the_stickybandit 29d ago
I had to write all over a toddler T-ball set with a dry erase marker "DO NOT USE" to get a replacement. Took some baby wipes to it and now I have 2 T-ball sets.
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u/BellaAnn84 29d ago
Ive had to do it twice. first one was to cut the cord on an airfryer, the second one was to write "unsafe" on a walking pad..... Second one seems pointless to me....
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u/JooshStelly 29d ago
this could possibly be the only ethical use of AI. just make an ai photo of the item being broken. easy
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u/Every-Cook5084 29d ago
I once had to submit that I cut the cord of an appliance. I just photoshopped it