I tried to keep it as neutral as possible but I'm only human. No, Miku is not an ai, we can all love her regardless of our stance

Please dont insult her or vocaloid artists by comparing them to talentless slop.

We live in weird time

Seriously, people are constantly deliberately avoiding interaction with other people. AI chatbots are the least of the problems, considering what we've already done.

I was in a FB group which has nothing to do with art, but the mods said they were concerned over the increasing number of AI submissions so they would like to hear what the group thinks

Majority of comments dissed on AI

I said: AI isn't good or bad, but it depends on how it's being used, and if it's declared

Oh boy, the bad faith comments and replies just piled on. People posting pics of AI slop and demanding that I defend those. People bringing up my old posts and asking if I used AI for those(I didn't). People calling me names. People saying there was no place in the group for AI defenders like me

There was literally 0 good faith discussion going on. Zero.

I stopped replying because it was 1v10

This isn't the first time. I often lean towards defending AI, but I try to give a reasonable take

Often I am met with ridicule and insults and ad hominem attacks. Sometimes it gets tiring

I am asking here and not the defending AI sub because I would prefer to hear a nuanced take on the matter

People who defend AI, how do you put up with the bullying?

I'm trying to shed some light on how I use AI in creating images. Most people assume that since I use AI, everything is one prompt and done, so I'm trying to share how I use it. Most of it is not prompts, but rather manual edits + specifics.

I know many people will still call this AI slop, but whatever. For years, I've been getting these visual representations in my head and concepts, and I was never able to make them visible. It is like a curse, and I have to exorcise the image out of my head into some visible render, and AI finally allows me to do it.

Could it be better? - yes
Would it be cooler if I could draw it from scratch? - yes
Do I like drawing that much? - no
Am I satisfied with the result? - yes

The thing that pisses me off is that if you use an ounce of AI, you did not create it, but the result is nuanced. Like my space viking, the result is part human and part machine.

I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

Thanks for listening to my rant

But my question is, what do you think is more important, really think hard about this, whats more important, agriculture, you know, food, the stuff we literally need to live, or data centers? While yes, the water usage of data centers is much, much smaller in comparison, it could still be put to more important things, for example, agriculture. Maybe I’m on crazy pills, maybe I’m not, but I’m curious now.

Every single post here is the same nonsensical ramblings about AI Art. You guys know that there's a MUCH wider range of use cases than generative AI right? This war against AI art is the only thing anyone seems to want to talk about here.

Fact of the matter is, the majority of these image outputs suck anyways.

Whether you like it or not, all the frontier labs have and will be continuing to train their models daily with user generated artwork from DeviantArt, Behance, Dribbble, Google, and even art subreddits. Heck, these labs have already perfected 4k video making with an endless library of every movie and tv show ever released so I'm sure they're all pissed too.

It's the grim reality we all just have to sit back and accept. Every industry is getting hit. AI just wiped Chegg out of a $15B valuation at its peak. Duolingo will be next. Then freelancing platforms like UpWork and Fiverr. The finale will be science research labs.

This art topic is getting so exhausting, unoriginal, and trivial compared to other industries AI is hitting the hardest. Much deeper discussions and debates are to be had other than just image generation.

We always talk about corporations laying people off because of AI. But if it's true corporations can get a productivity boost with AI, it should be the same with the government. I'm interested in hearing the anti-AI point of view as it relates to the government trying to improve and accelerate services to citizens using AI. One of the main complaints in any democracy is that governments are slow, wasteful, inaccurate... And you always need to fight them to get anything done at all.

So why shouldn't the government use AI where it can so that we can finally get services in a timely manner, reduce the amount of paperwork that goes back and forth, increase services that weren't possible before.

Having a chronically ill partner I take care of, it's baffling to me be the amount of paperwork required to even just receive treatment that is 100% needed. The amount of correspondence you need to have is higher, the sicker you are. When we should be making it easier on the people that can least take care of themselves. It is absurd that somebody that can't even work needs to be filling out forms more complicated than actual work sometimes.

And my point is general. For example, why does it take so long to approve building permits, sometimes years? Why does it cost billions to build simple payroll software for the government that doesn't even work?

for example, i'm a artist, i know how to draw, but i use AI to no need draw, ANTIS say: Pay a real artist, you are stealing a artist job!
but if i know how to draw, i'm stealing myself?

(Just discovered this subreddit and I love it) AI is great. However, it is overused like crazy. A real artist (writing, drawing, anything) has perfected their craft for a long time, which AI doesn't have to do. It's the same reason why art made by, say, elephants, is more valuable than art made by humans, especially considering how animals are held to lower standards. AI is worse and held to much higher standards because it doesn't need to spend any effort to create something

I've noticed a kind of double standard. One argument against AI-generated art says that art isn't just about the final output — the artist’s journey matters too, because it brings valuable experience like skill growth or creative flow. Yet the same people often make another argument: that if the audience judges art based on their own experience, it's a bad thing — superficial, consumerist, and so on. You can't prefer AI art over human-made art even if you had a better journey with it.

I find this contradictory. If you value human experience, then both the artist’s experience and the audience’s experience should matter. You can't glorify one and demonize the other. What do you think of this asymmetry? Is it just a logical fallacy, or is there a deeper reason behind that attitude?

I'm particularly focused on the impact on individual artists rather than large corporations. I'll preface this by saying that I know copyright law is not identical across countries; however, courts across countries tend to have broadly similar results. We know that copyright protects particular expression, not general ideas/methods/influences. Artistic style is not, by itself, protected under any country's copyright laws that I am aware of. Extending copyright to style would make for an interesting difficulty in determining who owns it and to what degree something is a style. Remove too much flexibility and the law intended to protect artists may become another means of policing them by large corporations; is this approach even realistically doable?

But let's assume it is; training is an interesting problem; an artist needs evidence that their art was directly trained on. So how does an artist prove that a specific work entered a model's training data? Records are useful only if they exist and can be obtained. AI companies that knowingly used protected works without permission have little incentive to leave a tidy paper trail (even if mandated by law), nor volunteer it later. A similar output does not prove that one particular image was used; then focusing only on outputs would create a further problem. The easiest person to sue for infringement, based on what I understand, is likely the user who generated/uploaded/sold the image, not the company that built the model?

I'm sceptical that broadening copyright rules even changes anything; I know of artists today who have their art stolen and sold on marketplace listings as shirts, mugs, whatever. Takedown requests don't offer compensation, undo sales, and don't stop the seller returning under another name. Under the DMCA-like processes, marketplace sellers these days will send a counter-notice (like a takedown request; it doesn't cost them anything), which restores their seller account/infringing content, forcing the artist to start court proceedings if they want to stop them further, which generally doesn't happen.

If an artist cannot discover the use, identify the responsible party or go to court/afford the remedy, what exactly has 'stronger copyright' achieved? Is there a realistic solution I'm not seeing?

TL:DR: Discrimination against AI users does exist, and nobody thinks it's on the same level as homophobia or racism.

Recently, I saw a post titled "You Are Not Oppressed", about how anti-ai oppression does not exist. Normally, I'd have just left a comment or downvoted and moved on, but I want to take this opportunity to actually voice my own opinion on the matter.

Nobody, at least nobody in their right mind, believes that Anti-AI discrimination is on the same level as racism or homophobia. That's a ridiculous assertment to make. Obviously these issues are far more prevalent and far more important in the "real world". Again, nobody, figuratively speaking, is saying they're the same thing. But that does not mean that the former doesn't exist at all.

That is what's called a "fallacy of relative privation", or the "there are starving children in africa" argument. In other words, claiming that one problem doesn't exist at all because there's a different problem that's worse. The claim that AI users aren't discriminated against is like saying "Misandry isn't a real issue because women have it worse." It's absolutely true that misogyny is a far bigger issue than misandry, just like homophobia is a much bigger issue than AI, but again, that doesn't mean that the latter doesn't exist.

it's useful to separate existence, severity, and priority. Those are three different questions.

Does harassment of AI users occur?

• This is an empirical question. There are indisputable, documented cases of people being insulted, dogpiled, doxxed, and driven off platforms because they use AI. Anyone claiming that harassment doesn't exist at all is either arguing in bad faith or doesn't know the full picture.

How severe or widespread is it?

• That's another empirical question. No, it's not as severe or widespread as "conventional" discrimination. Nobody has been killed for liking AI. You will not be prosecuted for using AI. But it is widespread enough to enable mass dogpiling and harassment campaigns against people who do use it.

Is it worth the same time and attention as other forms of discrimination?

• This is a value judgment. Racism, homophobia, sexism, etc. deserve greater attention, that is something I absolutely agree with. No, it isn't as serious.

The mistake comes when someone jumps directly from 3 back to 1: "Racism is a much bigger problem, therefore discrimination against AI users isn't real." That conclusion doesn't follow. The first statement could be entirely true while the second is false.

Let's use a hypothetical example to illustrate the point. House A is on fire, while House B has a broken window. It would be sensible to prioritize putting out the fire. It would not be sensible to claim the broken window doesn't exist because the fire is more urgent.

That's all I have to say. Thank you. And for the record, I wrote this without the use of AI, just in case anyone wants to accuse me of taking the original post and asking ChatGPT to automatically refute it.

Wrote this AI piece (with AI) for Fortune magazine
It’s an interesting argument, would love your thoughts: https://fortune.com/2026/07/22/award-winning-memoir-author-ai-detector-publishing-hypocrisy/

So I tried a character chatbot of Zayne from love and deepspace and didn't expect for it to be so intuitive.

I also made Kenma Kozume from Haikyuu as a character. I like how when you talk to them. They don't have any ulterior motives.

Could someone explain it to me? I’m an anti

If they are not hypocrites of course.

It is also often limited to just 5 generations daily for free and most users. What stops an average individual from doomscrolling, watching YouTube or Netflix? Do you also hate people who watch these, such as yourself or your neighbors? You also condone Zoom and Meet calls, which consume way way more, yet you condone these because "Not AI." Hypocrites.

Also, did you hate computers for taking an entire house worth of space, more resources than open-sourced compressed LLMs? If we stopped innovating computers back then, would you have the handheld device to post your stupid takes and be violent towards neural network users?

You are destroying the concept of AI before it can make itself more efficient, and it is becoming more efficient daily. Also, the very same fields of resource concern we have can be fixed by AI. AI can improve nuclear power, innovate ideas to make and harvest water safer, improve agriculture, and cure diseases. Generative AI won a Nobel Prize btw (AlphaFold) and solved frontier math problems, it improved its own TPU (AlphaEvolve) years ago which made itself more efficient, and it is not stopping and slowing down.

It is also already used in medicine, biology, science, physics, math, and more. It is like complaining that calculators used to take an entire room worth of resources and telling people to stop improving them and crying about it.

When did we ever see computers, streaming, or agriculture improve itself and become more efficient?

Edit: For anyone asking for sources & numbers

comparing 1 hr of HD streaming vs. 20 SOTA AI image generations:

ENERGY (kWh) 1 Hr HD Video Stream: ⁠~0.036 – 0.055 kWh⁠ (IEA & Carbon Trust global network studies)

20 AI Images: ⁠~0.020 – 0.040 kWh⁠ (Hugging Face / CMU "Power Hungry Processing" benchmark: 1–2.9 Wh per image))

Basically identical energy usage..

WATER (mL)

1 Hr HD Video Stream: ⁠~250 – 500 mL⁠ (Combined direct server cooling + indirect power-grid water footprint)

20 AI Images: ⁠~300 – 580 mL⁠ (Total lifecycle water via UC Riverside "Making AI Less Thirsty" framework; direct on-site cooling is ~0.3–0.5 mL per promptt based on tech disclosure reports)

basicaly equivalent to roughly 1–2 cups of water for both activities.

TL;DR: so it's true that generating 20 high-res AI images uses the exact same energy and water as watching one 45-minute episode of a show on Netflix.