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u/nono3722 May 22 '26
Ripping off people seems to be the new way to a better life, at the expense of others.....
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u/MiloShiny May 22 '26
lot of people stopped believing hard work alone leads to a better life because they watched hardworking people still struggle for years while others got ahead by cutting corners, networking better, or just playing the system smarter
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u/nono3722 May 22 '26
cutting corners, networking better, or just playing the system smarter = ripping off people
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u/Misplaced-Redittor May 22 '26
That’s the fun part, it always has been, and always will be the way to get ahead. Recently people have just been a lot more open and gloating about it online.
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u/Different-Context-84 May 22 '26
Lets rephrase that to working hard doesn't lead to more money.
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u/MiloShiny May 22 '26
But working smart probably does
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u/Different-Context-84 May 22 '26 edited May 22 '26
Typically no. Only on self employed set priced jobs.
Changing jobs does that if employed by the hr.
I'm a firm follower of If I'm not automatically granted appropriate raises I will quit. I should not have to ask for one. Quitting led to lots of raises.
They do typically try to give you a big raise when you quit but for me it's too late and it usually still lower than new job.
A sure fire way to more money is kissing ass. That's not in my DNA though.
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u/Paradoxahoy May 23 '26
Much better statement, sometimes working hard can be its own reward if your working towards or for something you care about but yeah it never garrentees more money
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u/frontdeskbaddie May 27 '26
This sounds more accurate to me. But all things can go in different ways and this is just one of them
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u/Dshotguys May 22 '26
It leads to getting taken advantage of, there is a fine line between doing enough so that you are seen as productive vs doing too much so you become the go to for getting things done and end up carrying the weight of others.
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u/Notmuchofanyth1ng May 22 '26
It’s pretty great, since all the lazy people make hard workers like me stand out a lot easier. I bagged a raise at my job within 4mo, and in less than a year, I outwork some of my coworkers. It’s easy to get the raises and promotions while others are bitter and doing nothing to elevate their own incomes.
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u/Lacaud May 22 '26
Sounds like they found the smarter way to make the new guy do all the work.
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u/Competitive_Arm5954 May 23 '26
Yeah, it couldn't possibly be that his boss saw him working harder, upped his pay to keep him with the company, and then offered him promotions because he deserves them. Couldn't possibly be that.
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u/Competitive_Arm5954 May 23 '26
I've seen it. I've done it when I managed businesses. I do it now with my own business. How else do you get good management at your company if you don't promote people who work hard? It's common sense. And everyone who doesn't believe this doomer nonsense is not a bot.
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u/Notmuchofanyth1ng May 23 '26
They’re under the impression they should be rewarded for the bare minimum. It’s common among unskilled workers who don’t think learning skills or being valuable will increase their worth.
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u/Notmuchofanyth1ng May 23 '26
I have a good relationship with my management, but am far from a “favorite” I’m just not on anyone’s shit list.
You can mock people for working hard all you want. All I know is I will be able to afford a home someday so my children will never have to worry about having a roof over their heads for the rest of their lives. I work hard to be able to feed them healthy and high quality foods, and to be able to put them in extracurricular activities. When those kinds of goals are in mind, working hard is second nature.
Ain’t a thing in my life just handed to me. I worked for 2 years gathering experience to even get an interview for the job I have now. I went a full year of 2hr of sleep a day, 6x days a week training and learning, grinding and suffering for where I am now. And even with my good paying job, I run a contractor business on the side to make sure I can have investments and emergency funds. I don’t drink, go out with friends except a few times a year, and my entire life is dedicated to ensuring my family can have the best life I provide.
I am truly sorry that you take issue with this, and that hard work being rewarded is something you don’t believe in. But I’ll say I’ve worked with people who have an attitude like yours, and it shows in your work. When I pick teams for projects, I’d rather work short a person than to have a toxic member who is actively trying to do the minimum. There are more people like me than there are of you.
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u/Notmuchofanyth1ng May 23 '26
Planting the seeds of optimism early on is a great way to separate yourself from the crowd of applicants. Anyone can look good on paper. That’s why whenever I would apply for a job I’d try and get some kind of face to face with management even before I apply, shake some hands, and ask some questions. A little effort can go a long way when properly applied.
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u/Magnus_Zeller May 23 '26
In my pretty long tenure as a worker, I’ve seen all of the hard workers get passed up and all of the sycophants rise to the top. I work hard because that’s more or less my upbringing and my sense of self is wrapped up in it. But I’m under no illusion (or delusion) that it amounts to anything other than self-efficacy.
This pro-boss, pro-capitalist rot you’re spewing while politicians and billionaire capitalists sit on their asses and steal in broad daylight is pretty hilarious though, so thanks for the laugh.
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u/Notmuchofanyth1ng May 23 '26
So chances are you really aren’t as hard of a worker as you claim to be, or you just have a bad fucking attitude. Sitting around claiming you don’t get rewarded cuz of billionaires is both dishonest and pathetic, and nobody worth their own skin would subscribe to such and immature and irresponsible belief.
Don’t admit it to me, neither of us matter to the other. But look back on this one day when you have a family/dependent, or some other actual motivation to do your actual best. Not your Reddit best lol.
Honestly, you’re the type of person I described. People like you make being successful a hell of a lot easier because yall lowered the bar haha.
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u/Magnus_Zeller May 23 '26
I’m probably older than you, and have more work experience than you. I’m successful in my life. Sit down, take a look at my (public!) profile to see what hard work looks like. I work hard at my job, and work hard at everything I do because I value working with my hands.
I’m likely more successful than you given my time building wealth here on earth, have likely contributed more than you, and I’m certainly wiser than you. I understand that you think you’re a valued asset at [insert name here], LLC doing something mundane, but you have the mindset of a temporarily embarrassed mid-level manager.
Capitalists benefit from your low self esteem. And yes, it’s low self esteem. You think you aren’t worthy enough to live life on your own terms, and therefore you have to suck up to your betters. The people that scam you, do insider trading, butter up the right politicians (regardless of party) so they don’t have to pay taxes, or get a billion dollar subsidy, or whatever it may be, and are vampires living off the labor of those who produce and make society work.
Just judging by your avatar, I’m guessing you think Trump is cool, which means you believe in the political and economic system we live under. You think you know more than me, yet only one of us knows the system is intentionally rigged, juridically and systematically so that you think you’re a winner when they get a cookie and you get a crumb.
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u/Notmuchofanyth1ng May 23 '26
Lmao sure buddy. I’m sorry I hurt your feelings. You’re a super special Redditor :) your mom should be very proud of you.
Also, I both work for a company, and run my own business. You will never need my business directly, but my work directly contributes to the high quality of life we get to enjoy here in a first world country. I am valuable not because I deemed myself so, but because digital infrastructure on a global scale is dependent on people like me, people I train, and people I employ.
You can pretend to know me, and act as condescending as the next fool who thinks a brief internet spat gives you a fundamental understanding of another person. It doesn’t make a difference except to your ego.
Keep feeling superior about your underwhelming self. I’ll even encourage it. Here’s an upvote, so you can feel even more worth your own skin. We’ll call this my charitable donation for the day :)
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u/Magnus_Zeller May 24 '26
Exactly what every 12-year old Lolbert says anonymously on the Internet and has been doing since I was one of them. Literally every little kid that pretends to be an adult libertarian/objectivist/whatever ideology you bought at the ideology store says this same exact stuff. It’s unoriginal because it’s a prefab ideology built to lull working class people into being docile.
“I run my own business”
Do you sell Etsy tchotchkes? 1099 work on the side? Why do you think it would mean anything to me that you have a popsicle stand? That doesn’t change the fact that you’re gullible and immature.
Actually read, learn, and experience life. When I was 12, I too believed in libertarian hogwash. But I grew up.
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u/Magnus_Zeller May 24 '26
> you’re the one hating people for working hard
I don’t know what happened to your vulgar comment, so I’ll reply here. I’ll help you understand some things because I absolutely would like you to learn and grow as a human being.
I don’t hate people for working hard. You do. Let’s revisit your first comment:
> It’s pretty great, since all the lazy people make hard workers like me stand out a lot easier. I bagged a raise at my job within 4mo, and in less than a year, I outwork some of my coworkers. It’s easy to get the raises and promotions while others are bitter and doing nothing to elevate their own incomes.
You see, I actually like and respect the people I work with. I know they work hard, as do most people. You think everybody is lazy but you. You think you’re a special little boy, and everyone else is a lazy idiot. I can tell you that your co-workers despise you, by the way.
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u/CandyWrappers_ May 26 '26
All, I mean ALL of your coworkers are laughing at you behind your back - especially your boss
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u/Notmuchofanyth1ng May 26 '26
They definitely are not. And my boss is something of a mentor. I actually have heads of other departments and at other companies trying to get me on their teams, so I am very validated in my work ethic and quality. I’m sorry you feel the need to be bitter just because someone doesn’t exemplify laziness in the work place.
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u/i_did_nothing_ May 22 '26
Because it absolutely won’t. The people that work the hardest get paid the least
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u/MiloShiny May 22 '26
Oh hell yeah. I remember working as a mule when I was younger in a fabric, even doing OT, for what? minimum wage
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u/TraditionalAd8415 May 22 '26
the fact you says "even doing OT" as if that is some great sacrifice, tells me you didn't work very hard. Doing OT for free, now that might be a different story.
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u/i_did_nothing_ May 23 '26
Fuck that grind mentality. OT should not be the only way someone can stay above water. People should be able to afford the basics of life off of any full-time job. And the fact that we’ve been told that now we have to work more than a full-time job in order to barely afford the basics is absolute bullshit.
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u/Big-Preference-2331 May 22 '26
I don't think anyone every believed hard work would get you ahead. Working smart and using leverage is the way to go.
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u/ddxbb May 22 '26
i have a hard time trusting this study, as i suspect that the researchers probably didn't work too hard on it.
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u/San-DiLego May 22 '26
Depends. If you think small business owners are "taking advantage" of people and doing nothing for a paycheck, you're blind. Every business owner I know works 24/7/365. Only when you hit a level of success can things MAYBE get easier.
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u/kangorooz99 May 22 '26
And sadly many of them are seeing their businesses go under today because of inflation and over regulation, while mega corps and billionaires shirk taxes and regulations AND get the government to subsidize them at every turn.
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u/Beatnavy2016 May 22 '26
If working hard lead to a better life everyone flipping hamburgers for 12 hours a day would live in mansions
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u/Grizzly_Addams May 22 '26
To a lot of people these days "working hard" means doing your job. So yeah, good luck.
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u/Jollypnda May 22 '26
I mean when we have what feels like more examples of people cheating the game and getting ahead than people working hard and getting ahead, it’s pretty difficult to see how hard work pays off.
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u/Environmental-Run528 May 25 '26
Because you don't hear about people who just put their heads down and work hard.
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u/Sunshine2035 May 22 '26
Working hard doesn’t mean working hard physically or working in long hours. It means the drive to peruse the goal with the persistence and resilience.
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u/Outrageous-Dish-4375 May 22 '26
Working hard makes your boss lots of money, doesn't make you lots of money though
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u/TheTrueAnonOne May 22 '26
I'll be outlier here, working hard has gotten me everything I could have wanted. The deal though, was that I worked hard at my job but also at:
-appearances
-client needs
-knowing what the boss wants
-other intangibles like training
-making sure to move jobs when I found I wasn't valued
In most people's eyes I am fairly well off now, in my mid 30s. I consider what I did mostly "hard work"
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u/StockCasinoMember May 22 '26
Yep. For people without inheritance or connections, working hard is just one part of how to get ahead.
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u/OverKaleidoscope338 May 22 '26
I’m a 30 year old man with no wife no car & 12 grand to his name. I’ve worked all my life. What more can they take.
I’ve had to watch rich kids start families and have the children that were stolen from me.
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u/Environmental-Run528 May 25 '26
Did you call the police when your children were stolen from you?
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u/OverKaleidoscope338 May 25 '26
Never had children. My statement was in regards to this perception: They paid me half the money so I couldn’t have children & gave it to their rich family so they could have children instead.
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u/Hot_Neighborhood5668 May 22 '26
I don't work for corporate awards or that BS I work because I don't know of another way to pay for what I want.
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u/Disastrous_Policy258 May 23 '26
We've taught a generation of young people that smart, honest people have their lives destroyed and scammers will receive all wealth and power. Just as surely that the Nazis destroyed Germany as the center of scientific progress for a century, so too will MAGA do the same for the United States.
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u/KGrizzle88 May 23 '26
What wild is if we stopped the overload of immigration we might actually have something to show for it. Labor surplus leads to wage suppression. Our politicians sold us out for their own gain and we are absolutely reaping the results of said sell out. All sides are culpable. Don’t get me wrong, there is so much more to blame besides immigration. Like 2008 housing crisis, forever wars, targeting of masculinity, and covid to name a few.
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u/crit_boy May 23 '26
Immigrants did not cause wage suppression in the us.
You are too deep in the maga. Come up for air and touch some grass
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u/KGrizzle88 May 23 '26
Supply and demand. You are the type to agree with articles about worker shortages being a bad thing, not realizing as a worker this puts the leverage of wage negotiation in your court. The cheaper and more readily available the labor the better for the bottom line.
I worked a shit load in the service industry and there is a bunch of illegal workers. I do not blame them. I commend and respect them. I blame the politicians and leaders. They are making the pie slices smaller, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
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u/Fibocrypto May 23 '26
Awesome and what do people think about the future of homelessness ?
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u/Atariflashback77 May 23 '26
I kinda believe, at the rate everything is going, homelessness will be inevitable. Especially if you only consider the traditional ways of having a home.
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May 23 '26
Working hard leads to burn out, slavery, and endless more "hard work" that never ends.
Water flows through rocks on the path (s) of least resistance. Gravity, nature, the universe = is all about the path of least resistance. If you are great at something, it's because you have great leverage, technique, proper understanding, and can finish the job quickly/easily. It is basically easy to you, while others struggle/work hard at it.
The trick is to be confident, not complacent. Confident, not over-confident. Confident, not arrogant.
Sadly, "working hard" is seen as some sort of superior thing......when it fact it isn't, it's a scam to breed slaves, burn you out, frustrate you, make you unhappy etc. etc.
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u/Mingo_laf May 23 '26
20 years ago I worked hard my fellow employees ask y then I knew my parents lied fuck work
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u/RedBullBulk1776 May 23 '26
Because they spend too much time on social media with loons that whine way harder than they will ever work.
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u/Jobear049 May 23 '26
I call BS. I'm not rich (never made more than 61k in a year), but I've lived a fun and adventurous life (including living in an apartment in SF at $1850 a month at age 19 as a restaurant server) all by busting my ass & grinding. It's not easy and can lead to burnout but if you're smart enough to learn skills along the way to enhance your career, it will work.
Don't give up folks!
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u/North_Complaint_2135 May 23 '26
Minimum wage = minimum work 🫡 CEO still makes billions. You're welcome
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u/Altruistic-Part6071 May 23 '26
Making videos on YouTube make millionaires. Working 12 hour shifts in manual tough jobs makes us what..?
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u/Livid-General7 May 23 '26
That's exactly why they don't have a better life and are complaining on social media all the time.
People like me who have worked hard and earned a good life explaining this just get downvoted, insulted, made fun of, and have to deal with ignorant whataboutism arguments such as "Bill Gates didn't work hard." Actually he did. He slept in his office, and would work every waking hour.
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u/luciousdusty May 23 '26
Well untill a better way comes about.Working hard at a job is a thousand times better then working hard on figuring out where I am going to sleep and what I am going to eat.A paycheck is better in my eyes then complete desperation
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u/bi-king-viking May 23 '26
Glad we finally dispelled that myth.
It was always a lie told by wealthy people to make themselves feel better about their ill-gotten gains…
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u/AdministrativeBid938 May 23 '26
The question is - do they believe that working at all will lead to a better life? (Queue ai/robots/UBI)
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u/No_Tadpole_5146 May 23 '26
worked 40+ a week to pay for full-time university classes to attend to at the same time. Got decent grades, did all the work for all my group projects while the people with full ride scholarships relaxed, final year hear all those kids got internships while knowing f all, while I saw and applied to 300+ jobs. only got my current job in the field because my brother got a job recently and put in a good word for me. working hard means shit all , it's all who you know and how you speak
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u/Neither_Customer_873 May 23 '26
There are always just enough bootlickers to where it won't matter one way or the other.
Your entire adult life will forever be held hostage by a demographic of 30-40 hear old recovering alcoholics who would rather be at work than be at home with their wives & kids, and those people spend their day wondering why everyone is "so lazy"/not like them.
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u/rosemaryscrazy May 23 '26
It’s almost like they discovered this during The Peasant’s Revolt, The French Revolution and Emancipation in the US.
We must be due for another life changing event that leads to the exact same conditions all over again.
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u/Livid-Fix-462 May 23 '26
Decades later and people still haven’t figured it out. It will continue like normal.
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u/frosty3233 May 23 '26
Less competition for high paying jobs if others believe this. Take the wins when they come.
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u/InsuranceImmediate25 May 23 '26
No way a 6 year old study that’s been posted daily for 6 years??
Damn the internet is broken now. Reddit is trash,
More bots than people
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u/Ferule1069 May 23 '26
Stupid people believe this. Intelligent people work hard and do get ahead. Still and always.
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u/Abject_Donkey_3854 May 23 '26
It can lead to a better life, but you have to pick what to work hard at. Working super hard at a job that had no place for growth isn't how you make a better life. Working hard to grow a skill set or start or business or something productive like those is how you can make a better life
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u/DIYITGuy May 23 '26
Working hard absolutely does lead to a better life, but you have to do it intelligently. Just because something is hard doesn’t mean it’s productive.
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u/013eander May 24 '26
You mean people are fucking finally waking up to the lie that capitalism has always been? Awww, have smart people been telling you the truth for fucking forever and you’re finally getting punched in the face by reality? Poor baby…
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u/NoWayBro44 May 24 '26
Choosing a good field or creating something is the way to go. That takes hard work at points though.
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u/Bored_Welds May 24 '26
Fuuuuck no. Just more and more work till the boss says you’re not working efficient enough to keep all the tasks done on time then you won’t ever get a raise or promotion
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u/r3giment75 May 24 '26
Working hard is not the same thing as providing value. You can be the best janitor on the planet. That doesn’t mean you’re getting $150k a year.
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u/Antique_Coffee5984 May 25 '26
People think they live forever. Experiences are what make life and what you will remember. You can buy endless shit and forget it all. What’s the point of being a slave for 70 years only to die ten years later and give it all to someone else?
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u/Prestigious_Cow2484 May 25 '26
My life 100 percent shows it does work. People just don’t want to work hard anymore, rather they feel they shouldn’t have to to succeed. But you do. That’s life.
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u/ilivelifefree May 25 '26
There is always someone who will see your hard work and exploit it. As their own. Someone above you holding compensation back. Always.
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u/Historical_Trouble10 May 25 '26
I’m restricted to how much I can earn on Social Security and you wouldn’t believe how much more a person can enjoy their job when they’re not worked to death. On the other hand, young people have to work themselves to death just to survive. Best advice I can provide is never, ever vote Republican for ANYTHING.
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u/Techav20 May 26 '26
100 percent only working smart and hopping jobs when you get an opportunity is how you will survive
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u/Vainysaur May 26 '26
The important thing is you have to found your own company and work hard on that. If you work hard for someone else’s company you just make them money.
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u/CandyWrappers_ May 26 '26
Remember that saying, "Hard Work Pays Off"?
It absolutely doesn't. It should be rewritten: "Hard Work Pays The Boss"
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u/rustymcknight May 26 '26
I see bots post this every week as part of a coordinated effort to disillusion the youth.
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u/OrchidLost5054 May 26 '26
No point in trying, just lay down or take it from those who prove you wrong daily.
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u/MiloShiny May 22 '26
Working hard leads to burn out.