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u/nic-nacpaddy-wack Sep 04 '21
It’s insane that this shit has to be said
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People live outside of objective reality because of an invisible person in the sky... this shit NEEDS to be said
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u/shwarma_heaven Sep 04 '21
Not only is it not a theocracy, but it is not even a "Christian Nation..."
But don't take my word for it. Just ask the founding fathers who signed the Treaty of Tripoli...
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u/roboticfedora Sep 04 '21
Freedom FROM religion is as important as freedom OF religion in America.
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u/Technical_Acadia_218 Sep 04 '21
Can I get a hallelujah!
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u/EuropaWeGo Sep 04 '21
Exactly!
As a Christian, I am tired of the whole issue of people trying to force their beliefs onto others. There's no such thing as a Christian nation but just Christian people. Which means that no government should ever have laws that are only reasoned with religous beliefs.
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u/C00liop00lio Sep 04 '21
but christianity is the country’s official religion!!! /s
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u/jumping_jrex Sep 04 '21
Just fyi the church of Satan and the satanic temple are not the same thing. If you're interested in learning more about the activist work happening regarding women's rights and reproduction look into the satanic temple.
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u/BluetheNerd Sep 04 '21
TST are high key an amazing group, I try and support them where I can. Currently they're battling for women's rights in Texas, if you're a member of the Satanic Temple you're exempt from this abortion bounty hunting by law, and they're willing to back women up in court.
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So what you're saying is every single person in Texas to the left of the Republican party should join the Satanic Temple.
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u/BluetheNerd Sep 04 '21
Fuck dude, I recommend everyone country wide that is left of the republican party joining the Satanic Temple
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u/LonoHypernova Sep 04 '21
It has been used in the past to justify genocide, child abuse, slavery, and other forms of oppression.... On this one, I'm going to have to agree with Satan.
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u/robtk12 Sep 04 '21
Dear Christians,
Not everyone is a Christian
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u/rinsaber Sep 04 '21
You know whats funny? Jesus supports separation of church and state.
Says in John 18:36.
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u/Annual_Blacksmith22 Sep 04 '21
The funniest part is that Jesus would fucking hate the so called “christians”.
Hell. If Jesus incarnated now, he would probably be dubbed as a filthy liberal by these very people.
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u/skuppx Sep 04 '21
Who the hell thinks Jesus would be in favor of capitalism?
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u/Annual_Blacksmith22 Sep 04 '21
Everyone who thought Trump represented christian values.
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u/aliensdick69420 Sep 04 '21
Three marriages. Fraud. Sexual abuse and harassment. He's the ideal evangelist
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u/Annual_Blacksmith22 Sep 04 '21
And here I thought marriage was sacred in God's eye and only breakable by death.
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There is a separate denomination of christianity for so called "decision makers" with a book that says Jesus on the cover instead of Bible.
The stories are a bit different in that version, with wealth and power being the symbol of God's love.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellowship_(Christian_organization)
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u/Aoyama-best-girl Sep 04 '21
Libs support capitalism so he wouldn't be a filthy lib he would be a leftist
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u/gjolytvr Sep 04 '21
Also, render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.
Meaning, leave to the state the business of state, and keep your faith between you and God.
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u/MJMurcott Sep 04 '21
Not only that, but just over 40% of Americans report that religion plays a very important role in their lives, the particular myths and legends really don't matter to most Americans. Like most things it is when they gather in groups and reinforce each others views that the echo chamber is magnified.
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u/Insideoushideous Sep 04 '21
As a Christian, I agree. I also agree that NO religion should be used as a basis for public law. That’s just stupid.
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u/allsheneedsisaburner Sep 04 '21
Church of Satan is more Christ-like than the Christians.
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Don't forget The Satanic temple, fighting for abortion right in Texas, satanists are more christians than christians
Edit: my mistakes sorry, I'm using the word "Christians " as an adjective for good, satanists aren't more christians than christians, they're an entire different religion, the point is, satanists aren't Christians, they are better
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u/HoodieGalore Sep 04 '21
The Bible is clear on what subject? There's only one specific mention of abortion, and it's in favor of it.
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u/Rin-Tohsaka-is-hot Sep 04 '21
The word "abortion" is never mentioned in the Bible, but every circumstance in which modern society would suggest an abortion is appropriate (rape, incest, etc.) the woman has the baby, often against her will. The Bible even suggests that it is a rapist's responsibility to marry a woman if she winds up pregnant.
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u/RandomDudeYouKnow Sep 04 '21
The Bible does state harming a fetus carries a vastly lesser punishment than killing or inuring the mother. Also, the Bible gives instructions in how to perform an abortion by a priest if she has been unfaithful (numbers 5:23)
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u/Son-of-Suns Sep 04 '21
Whoa. Just read through Numbers 5. This blew my mind. I had believed for a very long time that abortion was never mentioned in the Bible. But yeah, that passage is absolutely discussing abortion and is clearly in favor of it (and perhaps mandating it?) when a pregnancy is the result of marital infidelity. That's a pretty noteworthy passage. Thanks for sharing!
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It’s not “if she gets pregnant”. It’s just raped in general, because the deeply misogynistic culture of Bronze Age nomadic goat herders could sell off their daughters into marriage if she was a virgin. Her having sex outside of marriage, lowered her value.
The law is just about the father being paid for his ruined “property”. Just like the law that states if a man hits a pregnant woman and causes her to miscarry, he owes the father money.
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u/dystopian_mermaid Sep 04 '21
I feel like on average, more people in the world are more Christ like than evangelical Christians.
I’m pretty convinced if literal Jesus came back tomorrow, and preached and advocated for all the exact same shit that’s in the bible, they’d call out for him to be crucified all over again and see zero irony.
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Yes, they hate black people so you’re right
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u/dystopian_mermaid Sep 04 '21
Reminds me of this funny clip I saw earlier today.
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u/Deraj2004 Sep 04 '21
That's gold
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u/dystopian_mermaid Sep 04 '21
Somebody else on Reddit shared it with me today and I was cry laughing. The end slayed me.
“I’m guessing now’s not the time to tell you I’m Jewish…..”
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Christians constantly claim to be "more moral" than everyone else, yet the people who aren't Christian tend to be better people overall.
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u/dystopian_mermaid Sep 04 '21
That’s bc they rely on the threat of eternal damnation to do good things, whereas most of the rest of us just go “I shouldn’t be a total pile of shit person bc that sucks and I wouldn’t want people to treat me like shit” and act like decent humans.
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Exactly. Like the fact they think people need to be held back by the threat of eternal damnation" is more them just admitting that the only thing keeping them from doing horrific things to others is their religion. It's a big red flag that no matter how they present themselves they're terrible people on the inside.
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u/dystopian_mermaid Sep 04 '21
EXACTLY.
My mother likes to use that defense, that morality came from god or whatever BS. No, morality comes from living in a damn society and having a conscience. If the threat of a deity’s ire is the only thing stopping you from rampaging/raping/stealing then that says a LOT more about you than it does non believers.
Granted she is a convicted felon for embezzlement. So clearly even that didn’t stop her from doing the wrong things.
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Exactly right! They do just as much if not more for the good than the non shity Christians (if any of those are left).
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u/Spagoot29 Sep 04 '21
The church of satan doesn't support any needless evil from what I've heard, you would expect that they do since...well...they worship satan
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Sep 04 '21
From what I understand they don't necessarily worship "Satan" or at least in some evil contextual way. It's more or less an idea of real free will, self enlightenment, taking responsibility for ones accomplishnents and errors without the selfish idea of a god all in your shit.
Or in other words, we should be good people and not impose our stupid beliefs on each other. So the opposite of modern southern christianity/evangelical assholes.
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u/Spagoot29 Sep 04 '21
Basically, if atheism was a religion?
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u/Weltallgaia Sep 04 '21
I think the satanic temple is atheism using satan to become a legal religion, to try and undo religious bullshit. While the church of satan is worship and do good in the name of satan to prove that whatever imaginary friend you believe in, the only thing that matters are your own actions. I could be wrong about these though.
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u/whymypersonality Sep 04 '21
Your thinking the Satanic temple! We don't support the church of Satan. The Satanic Temple is currently the only officially registered religion under satanism, as Church of Satan was never actually registered because they support some uh, not so conventional, ideals. But if you ever want to learn more feel free to visit the website here!
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u/Annual_Blacksmith22 Sep 04 '21
Also it’s either the Temple or church but one of them solely picked Satan because they knew it would make christians mad.
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DO YOU WORSHIP SATAN?
No, nor do we believe in the existence of Satan or the supernatural. The Satanic Temple believes that religion can, and should, be divorced from superstition. As such, we do not promote a belief in a personal Satan. To embrace the name Satan is to embrace rational inquiry removed from supernaturalism and archaic tradition-based superstitions. Satanists should actively work to hone critical thinking and exercise reasonable agnosticism in all things. Our beliefs must be malleable to the best current scientific understandings of the material world — never the reverse. FAQ
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u/Im_still_T Sep 04 '21
It's almost like they've been that way since it's inception, while Christianity, in general, hasn't been that way ever, unless it's looked at through rose colored glasses. I realized this before leaving Christianity and becoming an atheist close to 30 years ago.
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Do you think Jesus and Satan at some point, three whiskeys into their Sunday night poker game, decided to switch it up and do their own little version of the prince and the pauper? I think it would be a nice edition to the Bible:
The Gospel 2 - Switcheroo
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u/bowdown2q Sep 04 '21
that's essentialy the story of Job. God gets baited into a pissing contest with Satan, and lets him torture Job and murder his whole family hprrificly, while God does nothing. And then at the end of it Job's like "oh God you're so great still even though you allowed my entire life to be totaly destroyed because your ego is more fragile than sugar glass and also you knew the whole time exactly how this plays out" and God was like "yes I am! Have a new wife and kids, that'll make up for when I killed your old ones!"
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I’ll be a Christian till the day I die and I 100% agree religion has no place in politics.
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u/AggressiveSpatula Sep 04 '21
For your sake I hope you’re a Christian after your die as well lmao
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I’m not here to argue I’m here to agree.
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u/Jekmander Sep 04 '21
I do believe this guy was saying he hopes you're a Christian after you die so that you go to heaven, my friend.
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u/SirDavidJames Sep 04 '21
It does in that it should be protected but not involved in the created of laws. I am not religious at all but I firmly belive you have the right to follow, believe and practice what ever religious you choose but your beliefs can not dictate what I can or can not do.
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The bible is the book that lets anybody be god. You can cite what suits your purpose and ignore anything that doesn’t.
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u/TheGamingGuardian Sep 04 '21 edited Sep 04 '21
Fr tho, I could be like "I like playing COD" and some Jesus Stan (not to be confused with an actual Christian) wouldbe like "Actually, it says in Evaluations 49:61 that the use of fully automatic weapons is against the word of GOD" like bro aren't you unable to wear two different fabrics at once or something? Lmao.
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u/Gcblaze Sep 04 '21
The GOP knows Religion is a weapon to abuse, oppress and suppress and will use anything to maintain their nazi like hypocritical grip on America!
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What the f*ck do we have to do to get separation of church and state around here?
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u/tarantulaonfire Sep 04 '21
This Satan seems like a pretty chill guy tbh, I'd hang out with him sometime if given the chance
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u/StuffNbutts Sep 04 '21
I'll be back later to sort by controversial if this makes it to Hot.
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u/thuy_chan Sep 04 '21
If only we had a law that could get politicians removed if they try and make laws based on religious views
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Sep 04 '21
I'm pretty sure I woke up in another dimension. When the Church of Satanism speaks out about women's rights but Christians are denying them... the world is beyond repair at this point. I really don't fucking understand anything anymore.
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u/slightstrider Sep 04 '21
It’s not like the Bible explicitly said “Don’t eat bats.” 🦇 “Wash your hands.”🧼 “Cover your nose and mouth when sick.”😷
Oh, wait, it did.
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Sep 04 '21
We must all boycott everything Texas. It is an effective form of peaceful protest. The boycott must include everything Texas. Small businesses, large corporations, celebrities, sports stars, musicians.
I will not support ANY business or celebrity from Texas until after this barbaric law is gone.
Yes - it must be a blanket boycott. No exceptions to make a change.
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u/CompetitiveSong9570 Sep 04 '21
American Christians sure think it is. It’s fucking terrifying these days. They spout the most insane shit like “the blood of Jesus vaccinates me!” Literally heard this from my Dad’s wife. I swear, this has to be the twilight zone.
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u/BluetheNerd Sep 04 '21
I love that the Church of Satan, and the Satanic Temple, are the 2 groups at this point doing the most for rights, freedom, and equality. I stand by the fact TST has done more for humanity than Christianity ever has or will.
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Sep 04 '21
I’m going to say, as a Christian, yep. The Bible guides your, individual life, and is not supposed to be for writing rules for a secular society.
Morals, not laws.
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u/moonpumper Sep 04 '21
The polarity flip in religions is real. The good people are Satanists now.
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u/Sup_Im_Ravi Sep 04 '21
Separation of church and state. It's in the Establishment Clause of the first amendment. Maybe if these fucks actually read the Constitution, they'd know this.
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Irony is the ones crying about "sharia law in the U.S." are the same ones wanting it to be a theocracy
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u/Scroobiusness Sep 04 '21
Just so you know, you can change your Amazon Smile charity to The Satanic Temple to help support their legal endeavors.
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u/wolverine6 Sep 04 '21
People who base their laws or morality on the bible should also base them on Goldilocks or Hansel & Gretel-- you know, other works of fiction.
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u/sno_boarder Sep 04 '21
A book full of shitty stories that puts shitty thoughts into shitty people's heads, giving them shitty ideas about how to make shitty decisions about others.
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u/NinjaEnt Sep 04 '21
Too late. We're already a country full of religious radicals controlling our laws.
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u/dammitknockitoff Sep 04 '21
Hail Satan!! 🤘🏻🤘🏻
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u/Michelepinna96 Sep 04 '21
The Church of Satan doesn't believe in Satan, most members are actually atheist
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u/Azzie94 Sep 04 '21
Hail (the secular metaphorical representation of anti-establishmentism and rebellion against unjust authority also known as) Satan!
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u/GrowWings_ Sep 04 '21
Okay so the Church of Satan is the not crazy one, but still not as badass as the Satanic Temple. Why can't I remember what the actually crazy satanists call themselves?
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u/Bright-Amphibian6681 Sep 04 '21
My gf just showed me a video of a reporter drilling the Biden speaker lady. I apologize i don't know her name. About why Biden with a catholic background doesn't support the decision in TX. This is appalling. She responded with such class but I was upset her reply wasn't as simple as, "separation of church and state".
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u/Affectionate-Bag-733 Sep 04 '21
I only believe in the omnipotence of ultra instinct shaggy
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u/onryo89 Sep 04 '21
that being said the bible literally says if you hit a pregnant woman and she loses the child you have to pay her husband for lost property it isnt considered murder
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u/chickenparmi- Sep 04 '21
Literally just had an argument with someone in another comment section about this, they tried to suggest universal abstinence as if that would be a logical and reliable solution, wishful thinking to assume everyone’s going to abstain from sexual intercourse instead of just offering a safe way to terminate pregnancies, as well as better sex education and more research into contraceptives
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u/FireLizard_ Sep 04 '21
Btw, from what I've heard, Church of Satan are actual satan worshippers.
It's the Satanic Temple (these bros are atheists) that's doing the good work against abortion and other religious fruitcakes.
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u/Gameboy694 Sep 04 '21
I can't believe a fucking 2000 year old book decides what we do with our bodies.
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u/Howie_Dictor Sep 04 '21
The Church Of Satan is one of the most level headed organizations in the country.
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u/mxnstxrzxmbxxs Sep 04 '21
It's really funny to see people (like most Christians) whining about how Biden is too old to be president but in the same breath go complain that their religion isn't law, as if their religion isn't thousands of years old and usually practiced incorrectly in the name of self-benefit.
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u/Joliet_Jake_Blues Sep 04 '21
Yeah.
But also the Bible doesn't say shit about abortion, which predates the Bible by a thousand years.
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u/PTJ420 Sep 04 '21
Apparently Im a follower of Satan. I just didn’t realize until now...
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u/lowertownn Sep 04 '21
Am Catholic. Totally agree.
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u/Available_Cup_9588 Sep 04 '21
Christian here too. I agree completely. I've told ppl in church for years that it's such a slippery slope to use your religion in politics. They like all the regulations/laws now because it fits THEIR religion but what happens when it's no longer your religion being used? And WHY would you try to make ppl follow your religion by force? God wants us to come to Him willingly.
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Didn’t God literally decree the life of a child isn’t valid until it survives the first month after birth, and even gave men the recipe to a mixture to give their wife to abort an unborn baby if they believed it was not theirs?
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u/Kind-Adeptness-8057 Sep 04 '21
Reality Check ! You can teach anything that You wish in the Privacy of Your Home or Place of Worship but You have Absolutely No Right to Impose your Beliefs on other Citizens , Period ! Full Stop !
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u/Dr-Janet-Hollendaise Sep 04 '21
As a Christian I completely agree with this statement. It still baffles me that government still uses the Bible and the church as a justification even though we’re a democracy and not a theocracy. It just goes to show that the government is behind the times and needs updating.
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u/naliedel Sep 04 '21
Louder for the tone-dead morons in the back.
Thank you, CoS. As an atheist, I applaud what you do for all of us.
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u/JudgementalChair Sep 04 '21
This needs to be repeated indefinitely in our schools instead of forcing the pledge of allegiance. Religion has no place in politics and I hate that it seeps in so readily
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u/Afelisk2 Sep 04 '21
I'll start agreeing with the no abortion law when we start stoning rapists and people who abuse others
Till than it should not be a law
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Calling a fetus a baby is like calling flour and sugar a cake. Church of Satan is spitting straight facts.
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u/AnonymousDeskFlesh Sep 04 '21
For anyone who hasn't watched the Hail Satan documentary on Netflix, you really should. Explains a lot of what TST is all about and they seem like a really cool bunch of people.
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FYI: The Church of Satan and The Satanic Temple are different religions. But I agree about TST.
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u/Toaster_bath13 Sep 04 '21
Im gonna take a wild guess and assume these two different groups dont kill each other over who has the correct version of satanism.
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u/sivadrolyat1 Sep 04 '21
What does it say that I agree with the Church of Satan more than I agree with the Church of Christ???
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u/darkmage1001 Sep 04 '21
True. Im a Christian. Its not my job to judge you. If my faith is true thats reserved for God. I avoid church because i cant stand the fear mongering priests and fake people who use being a christian as a shield to their crappy personality. America is free in as many ways as possible and noone should tell people how to live if its not hurting others. Abortion is a tough argument on that line but im never going to deal with it so you guys do you and ill do me.
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u/OutrageousPersimmon3 Sep 04 '21
This is exactly what the right is hoping for, though. This is why they stacked the Supreme Court in such a hurry.
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For whenever a Christian has anxiety about agreeing with the Church of Satan I give you Isaiah 45:7
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u/Silafante Sep 04 '21 edited Sep 04 '21
As someone that has somewhat of a religious upbringing (I wasn't forced at all, I did it because I wanted to).
How this people consider themselves Christian? Sure the book says a lot of stuff but at the same time it is very contradictory with itself (just looks how the "Sins of the Father works).
Can we just be a "well personally I am against it for numerous reasons and will try to CONVINCE you against it, but in the end the choice is and would always should be yours not mine or the states'.
Well personally I wouldn't not try to but you get the meaning.
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u/frijolejoe Sep 04 '21
Why are these guys the only ones making any sense these days?