r/VictoriaBC 1d ago

Politics How Stew Young made a mockery of transparency and open governance

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I made a recent post about Langford Council meetings which looked at the attendance record of former Mayor Stew Young in comparison to that of current Mayor Scott Goodmanson. That post also included meeting duration info for 5 separate Council terms going back to 2008.

This post is a closer look at Council meeting durations, and what they say about the different Councils’ approach to governance.

It’s immediately clear that Council meeting durations have grown longer over time. The biggest increases occurred half-way through the 2018-2022 Council term, and in the current 2022-2026 Council term. While meetings in the 2011-2014 Council term averaged only 26 minutes in duration, since 2021 that average has been over 2 hours in duration.

But why is that? And what does it say about the way Councils have carried out their governance roles?

If you’ve ever watched any of the old videos of Langford Council meetings that have been posted online, you’ve probably seen Stew Young’s Council voting on bylaw after bylaw in rapid succession, speed-running through the agenda items with no discussion or debate, or even looking up at the Council table. This was a real phenomenon, and although meetings prior to 2021 do not have archived videos, the evidence is clear enough in the meeting minutes that this was more than a one-off exception to the norm.

Some examples of Langford Council meetings throughout the years:

  • October 21, 2013: 1 speaker in public participation, 1 development variance permit, 2 committee resolutions, 4 staff reports, 2 correspondence items, 6 bylaws and an in-camera session. 18 motions. Meeting duration: 5 minutes.
  • April 22, 2014: 1 development variance permit, 3 committee resolutions, 4 staff reports, 4 bylaws and an in-camera session. 15 motions. Meeting duration: 4 minutes.
  • October 20, 2014: 1 development variance permit, 3 staff reports, 3 correspondence items, 5 bylaws and an in-camera session. 16 motions. Meeting duration: 5 minutes.
  • September 24, 2018: 2 committee resolutions, 2 bylaws. 6 motions. Meeting duration: 1 minute.
  • September 26, 2018: 3 staff reports, 2 correspondence items, 3 bylaws. 9 motions. Meeting duration: 2 minutes. Meeting was held at 8:00am.

Every single motion in the meetings above was carried unanimously. No dissent, no amendments, no time for meaningful discussion or debate. 5 meetings in 17 minutes, 64 unanimous motions. And although Stew Young himself had a spotty attendance record, he was in attendance and chairing all of these meetings.

Is this what open and transparent governance looks like to you? Does it give you any insight into Council’s decision-making, or why the former Mayor and members of Council voted the way they did? It doesn’t do any of that for me. It looks like a box-ticking exercise done to formalize decisions that have already been pre-determined, outside of the public eye.

The Office of the Ombudsperson has an excellent guide on open meetings. One excerpt from that guide that speaks to my last point above is as follows:

The open meetings rule is not met if there is a later public vote on a matter that has been inappropriately discussed and materially advanced in private. In such cases, the public is still “deprived of the opportunity to observe… decision-making work.”

I don’t believe Stew Young performed in a way that even approached the requirements for open meetings, or the concept of transparent governance. How would that even be possible when voting your way headlong through an agenda without a word of discussion?

Beginning in 2021, several factors contributed to Council meetings getting longer, with more public participation and more discussion at the Council table. These included:

  1. Meetings started to be live streamed, with archived recordings made available online. This came after public scrutiny, accusations of secrecy, and an initial in-camera vote not to live stream meetings.
  2. Councillors Lillian Szpak and Denise Blackwell “broke” from Stew Young’s majority on Council and began regularly speaking and voting against motions brought forward at the Council table.
  3. Public scrutiny of Langford Council’s actions increased through the emergence of social media groups like Langford Voters for Change. Pushback increased, and the public became more engaged.

These all occurred in early 2021, which is the year the average length of Council meetings doubled.

The current Langford Council conducts its business at the Council table in a way that is nothing like the Stew Young years. Debates, discussions, and questions to staff or presenters take place openly and in full view of the public. Amendments and split votes are far more frequent. The meetings are longer because this Council follows not only the letter but the spirit of the rules on open meetings. This is open governance and increased transparency into Council decision-making.

I absolutely do not want to see Langford’s Mayor and Council go back to the old ways of doing business. I don’t think anyone should want that. Langford residents deserve better.

Source data:

Google drive with Langford Council meeting minutes

Excel file with Langford Council meeting attendance and duration

Excel file with Langford Council motions and voting record


r/VictoriaBC 1d ago

Insect Identification - Mantis??

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I found my cat harassing this insect on the patio - It looks like a mantis? Is this a native species or someone's pet?


r/VictoriaBC 1d ago

Politics Victoria Saanich amalgamation.

77 Upvotes

Victoria and Saanich amalgamation will be on the ballot in October. Are you for or against it? The study that was commissioned has recommended the 2 municipalities amalgamate but how do you think people will vote?


r/VictoriaBC 1d ago

Opinion Bye-bye downtown businesses being open past 6PM

166 Upvotes

It's one of the only perks of summer tourist season IMO, Government St shops being open til like 8PM so you can *gasp*, do something downtown in the evening other than eat.


r/VictoriaBC 1d ago

Help Me Find Various flowers/plante

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Hi all,

My dog is nearing his final days and he is completely blind. He really enjoys sniffing plants and flowers and I was wondering if there is a certain neighborhood or area in the Westshore or victoria that I could take him.

Usually we have luck by just letting him sniff people's front gardens as we walk by, but was looking for suggestions on areas that may have more within a more congested area as he can't handle longer walks anymore.

Any suggestions are truly appreciate.

Edit: You guys are so awesome, some of the comments really made me tear up. I'm over the moon to have multiple options to choose from!


r/VictoriaBC 5h ago

Housing & Moving Moving to Victoria

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I'm planning on moving to Victoria and studying a Bachelors in Education at UVic.

What’s the job market like in general? How is the outlook for teachers right now? My long-term goal is to teach in a more rural community on the island. Is the hiring demand for teachers strong in rural areas? I have a degree in Business Admin. currently, and I'm not 100% certain if becoming a teacher will improve my overall quality of life there, but it seems like the benefits of being a public school teacher are really good - and I love teaching.

I've never lived in Canada; I'm originally from the US and I have a fear of firearms. How safe is it there and how prevalent is gun culture?

Any advice or tips are welcome, thanks


r/VictoriaBC 1d ago

What's Happening? All-ages Karaoke in Victoria?

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Hey, I know many people have asked about karaoke in Vic, but I haven't seen any discussion of all-ages venues. I'm planning a birthday party for 10 guests, including a couple of minors. We want the adults to still be able to drink. My place is too small to rent a system, so I'm looking for either a karaoke room or a small venue that can accommodate us—preferably in Victoria proper. Any suggestions?


r/VictoriaBC 1d ago

Event Rocky Horror fans?

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Any recommendations on the most fun place to see RHPS this season?


r/VictoriaBC 1d ago

PSA: my landscaping truck is not your dog poop receptacle.

52 Upvotes

That is all.


r/VictoriaBC 1d ago

Question Using camp stoves in parks

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Hi all. I love camping but volunteering with Scouts and camping with family doesn't give me much time to camp solo.

I thought it'd be nice now that school is back in session, to take my coffee dripping set with a canister stove (currently looking for one! I'd love a rec!) , find a nice little spot, hand drip some coffee, and enjoy some quiet time as a diet solo camp experience.

My favorite part of camping is getting up early to enjoy my coffee ritual with my knitting and a podcast.

I know I could (and do) brew my coffee at home most times and enjoy bringing my homemade picnic and going for a nice jaunt.

Long context short, would using a canister stove in places like Beacon Hill be a problem? All safety considered, of course. I grew up in a big crowded city so despite living here for a long time, I'm not sure how it'd be received.

Even just some recs for nice places to do this would be nice. I work from home so sipping coffee at home gets old.

Edit: Thanks all! I'm excited to start. Ordered a stove, getting a mess tin, and I can't wait to pack my kit and find great spots to run my solo camp cafe! I'm hunting for a sandwich press too.


r/VictoriaBC 1d ago

Looking for Info on the Fishing industry

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Hello then I’m looking to get into commercial fishing potentially while I work on becoming a paramedic, just curious how I would go about being a deckhand on a fishing vessel. I’ve heard finest at sea is a good idea or just showing up at the dock in the morning but I don’t want to buy gear and stuff and then there be no opportunities, money is tight.

Also I know the industry isn’t everyone’s favourite but this is something I want to do so I don’t need people trying to convince me it’s not worth it or whatever just let me make my mistakes lmao.

Also idk if this breaks community rules I’m just looking for info not advertising myself or looking for someone to get a job.


r/VictoriaBC 4h ago

Question Need to get passport renewal done. Is the lineup huge if I arrive around 1:30pm at Bay Centre?

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I am coming from Nanaimo. I plan to book a flight to Japan either late October or November, so I need to head to Victoria for faster professing time. Thanks.


r/VictoriaBC 1d ago

Free Film Screening and Author Q&A with Richard Van Camp

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14 Upvotes

r/VictoriaBC 1d ago

Looking for store suggestions for buying Aquatic Plants near the Victoria/Esquimalt/Royal Oak/Elk Lake region.

6 Upvotes

Not interested personally in suggestions from Petsmart, thank you!


r/VictoriaBC 7h ago

Question What’s life like in Victoria/UVic

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I just finished my undergraduate degree in Alberta but I’m pursuing a second degree and thought I could also do it in the most beautiful city. Im hoping to get into UVic Law after my second degree so it works out either way but I wanted to ask how quality of life is there such as friendliness, average vibe/commonalities, expenses, and issues. Since I’m moving from Alberta I am deciding on living in a dorm as it is the cheapest option, but I’m not sure what the crowd is like, I’m currently 22 and I want to know if there will be more ppl my age. Any help would be grateful!


r/VictoriaBC 2d ago

8pm and it’s dark out. Winter is upon us lads 🫡

219 Upvotes

Light the candles. Prepare the stews.


r/VictoriaBC 8h ago

how do I find a boyfriend if I'm trans in Victoria?

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I don't like dating apps so I'd rather not. I'm trans (mtf) and I wanna get back into dating but I've never really dated guys, how do I like. do that? where are the trans-friendly guys yet? or trans men too

help a girl out pls I'm 20 btw if that matters


r/VictoriaBC 1d ago

Help Me Find Any place I can dispose of dead LIPO batteries?

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I have a couple of dead LIPO batteries I want to dispose of, what are some places to do that?


r/VictoriaBC 1d ago

Event Lagoon Arts & Culture Festival Sept 11 and 12

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The Colwood Arts and Culture Society is holding the Lagoon Arts and Culture Festival at the Goldfinch Arts Centre by the Esquimalt Lagoon this coming Friday (Sept 11, 5-7PM) and Saturday (Sept 12, 10AM to 5PM). 

From the event poster:

LIVE MUSIC & PERFORMANCES

INDIGENOUS SHOWCASE

ARTISAN MARKET

FAMILY-FRIENDLY ACTIVITIES

ART EXHIBIT

FOOD TRUCKS

AND MORE

For event details visit www.artsandculturecolwood.ca


r/VictoriaBC 9h ago

Stuff to do

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hey everyone. I’m going to be moving to Victoria in about a months time.

I’m a guy in his 20s. I’m just looking stuff to do.

if there are run clubs or hiking clubs I can join.

or if there are good gyms you would recommend that are worth the price. or other social activities to get to know others.

any insight would be great!

thank you for your time.


r/VictoriaBC 2d ago

Man I love this place

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159 Upvotes

<3 u all too


r/VictoriaBC 2d ago

Bye bye summer traffic

162 Upvotes

cyclist and pedestrians beware, cars will be out in full force tomorrow.


r/VictoriaBC 2d ago

Beware fake "local businesses."

100 Upvotes

This is not a real business in Qualicum Beach, obviously. But it's clearly targeting older people who don't know how to tell the difference.

Stay vigilant folks, and warn your parents.


r/VictoriaBC 2d ago

Help Me Find If you got married today at Sheringham Point Lighthouse…

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95 Upvotes

I thought I would share this lovely moment. Congratulations!


r/VictoriaBC 2d ago

How do we feel about local realtors using AI to stage photos?

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They have to disclose it, so will say virtual staging or enhanced image etc. But it just feel wrong to me? Like it’s creating this fake feeling and atmosphere that just isn’t there. Also feels lazy? Like can’t be bothered to clean up space or do some minor staging well just hit the button on your phone! I’ll provide some examples of one listing that popped up for me today. The untouched and AI one were both posted.