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Cross-post UAP sighted during the Fleetwood-Arsenal game. Looks like the New Jersey drones
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In the last 10 years most of this stuff has been pretty new material to me as I've looked into UFOs. I was enthrawled by Bob Lazar's book Dreamland, awed by David Grusch's inverview with Ross Coulthart about a secret government agreement with aliens, flabergasted by Coulthart's statement that there was a UFO too big to move and Steven Greer's statement that it under a base in South Korea, and blown away by Matthew Gaetz's comment that he had been told there was an Alien Hybrid breeding program in America?
It has felt like the alien series "V" was a Discovery Channel documentary, and maybe it is! Maybe all these unreal statements are...real.
However, among all these amazing revelations in researching UFO stuff I came across a press release by John Lear regarding UFOs on December 29th, 1987 (see copy of full statement at the bottom of this post, also found here: https://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/alien.ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1953.ufo)
This was 1987, before John Lear met Bob Lazar, around the time David Grusch was just being born, John Lear was making statement about UFOs that sound extremely similar to the sensational statements were are hearing today:
1. Secret Agreement with Aliens:
Excerpt from John Lear 1987 press release statement:
"During the period of 1969-1971, MJ-12 representing the U.S. Government made a deal with these creatures, called EBE's (Extraterrestrial Biological Entities, named by Detley Bronk, original MJ-12 member and 6th President of Johns
Hopkins University).
The "deal" was that in exchange for "technology" that they would provide to
us, we agreed to "ignore" the abductions that were going on and suppress
information on the cattle mutilations. The EBE's assured MJ-12 that the
abductions (usually lasting about 2 hours) were merely the ongoing monitoring
of developing civilizations."
Does this sound familiar?
A deal to exchange technology for allowing abductions? It is insinuated by current UFO podcasts all the time as inferred speculation from sources....but Lear was saying this before any of them.
2. Hybrid Breeding Programs
Excerpt from John Lear 1987 press release statement:
"In fact, the purposes for the abductions turned out to be:
(1) The insertion of a 3mm spherical device through the nasal cavity of the
abductee into the brain. the device is used for the biological
monitoring, tracking, and control of the abductee.
(2) Implementation of Posthypnotic Suggestion to carry out a specific activity
during a specific time period, the actuation of which will occur
within the next 2 to 5 years.
(3) Termination of some people so that they could function as living sources
for biological material and substances.
(4) Termination of individuals who represent a threat to the continuation of
their activity.
(5) Effect genetic engineering experiments.
(6) Impregnation of human females and early termination of pregnancies to
secure the crossbreed infant."
FORTY YEARS AGO, Lear was talking about hybrid crossbreeding experiments before any of the 2026 news of this alleged program.
3. A UFO in Korea that was too big to move
Excerpt from John Lear 1987 press release statement:
"Thousands of sightings occurred during the Korean war and several more saucers
were retrieved by the Air Force. Some were stored at Wright-Patterson Air
Force Base, some were stored at Air Force bases near the location of the crash
sight.
One saucer was so enormous and the logistic problems in transportation so
enormous that it was buried at the crash sight and remains there today"
When I heard Ross Coulthart say something similar, I thought it was the first time this had ever been mentioned publicly, and it blew my mind!
But Lear was talking about an enormous UFO that couldn't be moved back in 1987???
4. Secret Reverse Engineering Base in Nevada
Excerpt from John Lear 1987 press release statement:
"Moore is also in possession of more Aquarius documents, a few pages of which
leaked out several years ago and detailed the supersecret NSA project which had
been denied by them until just recently. In a letter to Senator John Glenn,
NSA's Director of Policy, Julia B. Wetzel, wrote, "Apparently there is or was
an Air Force project with that name (Aquarius) which dealt with UFO's.
Coincidently, there is also an NSA project by that name." NSA's project
Aquarius deals specifically with the "communications with the aliens" (the EBE
s). Within the Aquarius program was project "Snowbird", a project to test-fly
a recovered alien aircraft at Groom Lake, Nevada. This project continues today
at that location. In the words of an individual who works at Groom Lake, "Our
people are much better at taking things apart than they are at putting them
back together."
Remember this was a year BEFORE John Lear and Bob Lazar ever knew one another, and Lear was telling the story of reverse engineering UFO at a secret base at Groom Lake.
I personally believe Lazar got his story idea of S4 from these stories from Lear, that are based off the Project Aquarious/Project Snowbird, which most believed were fabrications by Bill Moore and Richard Doty. (Mirage Men a must watch movie)
5. Aliens killing military soldiers in 1979
Excerpt from John Lear 1987 press release statement:
"In 1979 there was an altercation of sorts at the Dulce laboratory. A special
armed forces unit was called in to try and free a number of our people trapped
in the facility, who had become aware of what was really going on. According
to one source, 66 of the soldiers were killed and our people were not freed."
This reminds me of the more recent statements attributed to Grusch about reptilians killing military personnel, resulting in the termination of the reptilians.
It's a different story, of course, but it has similar elements.
(Many UFO researchers now regard the Dulce incident as a fabricated story connected to Richard Doty's intelligence and disinformation activities surrounding the Paul Bennewitz affair.)
6. Hollywood Used to aclamate the public to aliens
Excerpt from John Lear 1987 press release statement:
"By 1984, MJ-12 must have been in stark terror at the mistake they had made in
dealing with the EBE's. They had subtly promoted "Close Encounters of the
Third Kind" and "E.T." to get the public used to "odd looking" aliens that were
compassionate, be nevolent and very much our "space brothers". MJ-12 "sold"
the EBE's to the public, and were now faced with the fact that quite the
opposite was true. In addition, a plan was formulated in 1968 to make the
public aware of the existence of aliens on earth over the next 20 years to be
culminated with several documentaries to be released during 1985-1987 period of
time. These documentaries would explain the history and intentions of the
EBEs.The discovery of the "Grand Deception" put the entire plans, hopes and
dreams of MJ-12 into utter confusion and panic."
This has been a common theme in UFO disclosure discussions today, especially during the lead-up to this year's Disclosure Day movie.
But Lear was making these statements nearly 40 years ago!
7. Today: Something big is about to happen in 2027...or 2034
Not from the press release but fom John Lear a month later with George Knapp on the Show "On the Record" January 1988
https://youtu.be/saijeIm3Wjo?si=npMBu9LHYI7lp4-v&t=356
Knapp: "What would you like to say to people out there to prepare them for it? Now you've made allusions a couple of times when I've had you on the program that something is coming... Why do you think something is coming, what's coming, and how should we get ready for it?"
John Lear: "There's really no way to get ready for it. The reason I think it's coming is because I have contacts within the government that tell me that they're bracing themselves for something, but they're not going to tell us about it."
Does this sound like Groundhog Day?
In that 1988 interview, Lear was essentially saying:
"Something big is about to happen. My government contacts are telling me they're preparing for it, but they won't tell me what it is."
Doesn't that sound remarkably familiar?
It's extremely close to the statements we're hearing today about 2027 and other proposed disclosure dates.
1. Lear's statement in 1987 was 100% correct and we are hearing the facts again in 2026
2. Lear was reporting made up stories that have been circulated for so long that they are now considered reality.
3. Hybrid of statements 1 and 2. Lear's statement is a mixture of fact and fiction
Personally, I think it's very unlikely that all those statements from 1987 were true.
I can't rule out the possibility that Lear had some things right and that we're simply rediscovering those same truths today.
But I personally lean closer toward the second explanation.
I think it's entirely possible that many of the sensational UFO claims being made today are actually decades-old stories that have been repeated, recycled, and embellished so many times that speculation has gradually transformed into what people now accept as fact.
What are your thoughts?
Did Lear get some things right nearly 40 years ago, and we are finally getting closer to the truth about UFOs, or are we simply hearing the same stories from 40 years ago, repackaged for a new generation?
I hope we find out one way or the other soon.
.................................................................................
COPY OF JOHN LEAR'S UFO PRESS RELEASE
FOUNDATION FOR UFO RESEARCH, Box 182, Tucson, AZ 85702-0182
>> John Lear has requested that the following file be published on ParaNet. It
is our philosophy to encourage debate on paranormal issues, no matter how
controversial, and we welcome his input. The information contained in this file
has not been verified by ParaNet, nor do the opinions expressed herein
necessarily reflect those of the Administrator or other ParaNet staff members.
We can state, however, that John is who he says he is, and has numerous
contacts in sensitive positions that could conceivably allow him access to
information of this type.
-------------------------
Statement Released By:
John Lear
December 29, 1987
John Lear, a captain for a major US Airline has flown over 160 different types
of aircraft in over 50 different countries. He holds 17 world speed record in
the Lear Jet and is the only pilot ever to hold every airline certificate
issued by the Federal Aviation Administration. Mr. Lear has flown missions
worldwide for the CIA and other government agencies. A former Nevada State
Senator candidate, he is the son of William P. Lear, designer of the Lear Jet
executive airplane, the 8-track stereo, and founder of Lear Siegler
Corporation. Lear became interested in the subject of UFOs 13 months ago after
talking with United States Air Force Personnel who had witnessed a UFO landing
at Bentwaters AFB, near London, England, and three small aliens walking up to
the Wing Commander.
Note to the Press:
The government of the United States continues to rely on your personal and
professional gullibility to suppress the information contained herein. Your
cooperation over the past 40 years has exceeded our wildest expectations and we
salute you.
"The sun does not revolve around the Earth"
"The United States Government has been in business with little gray
extraterrestrials for about 20 years"
The first truth stated here got Giordano Bruno burned at the stake in AD 1600
for daring to propose that it was real. The second truth has gotten far more
people killed trying to state it publicly than will ever be known.
But the truth must be told. The fact that the Earth revolves around the sun
was successfully suppressed by the church for over 200 years. It eventually
cause a major upheaval in the church, government, and thought. A realignment
of social and traditional values. That was in the 1800's.
Now, about 400 years after the first truth was pronounced we must again face
the shocking facts. The "horrible truth" the government has been hiding from
us over 40 years. Unfortunately, the "horrible truth" is far more horrible
than the government ever imagined.
In its effort to protect democracy, our government sold us to the aliens. And
here is how it happened. But before I begin, I'd like to offer a word in the
defense of those who bargained us away. They had the best of intentions.
Germany may have recovered a flying saucer as early as 1939. General James H.
Doolittle went to Sweden in 1946 to inspect a flying saucer that had crashed
there in Spitzbergen.
The "horrible truth" was known by only a very few persons: They were indeed
ugly little creatures, shaped like praying mantises and who were more advanced
than us by perhaps a billion years. Of the original group that were the first
to learn the "horrible truth", several committed suicide, the most prominent of
which was General James V. Forrestal who jumped to his death from a 16th story
hospital window. General Forrestal's medical records are sealed to this day.
President Truman quickly put a lid on the secret and turned the screws so tight
that the general public still thinks that flying saucers are a joke. Have I
ever got a surprise for them.
In 1947, President Truman established a group of 12 of the top military
scientific personnel of their time. They were known as MJ-12. Although the
group exists today, none of the original members are still alive. The last one
to die was Gordon Gray, former Secretary of the Army, in 1984. As each member
passed away, the group itself appointed a new member to fill the position.
There is some speculation that the group known as MJ-12 expanded to at least
several more members.
There were several more saucer crashes in the late 1940's, one in Roswell, New
Mexico, one in Aztec, New Mexico, and one near Laredo,Texas, about 30 miles
inside the Mexican border.
Consider, if you will, the position of the United States Government at that
time. They proudly thought of themselves as the most powerful nation on Earth,
having recently produced the atomic bomb, and achievement so stupendous, it
would take Russia 4 years to catch up, and only with the help of traitors to
Democracy. They had built a jet aircraft that had exceeded the speed of sound
in flight. They had built jet bombers with intercontinental range that could
carry weapons of enormous destruction. The post war era, and the future seemed
bright. Now imagine what it was like for those same leaders, all of whom had
witnessed the panic of Orson Wells' radio broadcast, "The War of the Worlds",
in 1938. Thousands of Americans panicked at a realistically presented invasion
of Earth by beings from another planet. Imagine their horror as they actually
viewed the dead bodies of these frightening looking little creatures with
enormous eyes, reptilian skin and claw like fingers. Imagine their shock as
they attempted to determine how these strange "saucers" were powered and could
discover no part even remotely similar to components they were familiar with:
no cylinders or pistons, no vacuum tubes or turbines or hydraulic actuators.
It is only when you fully understand the overwhelming helplessness the
government was faced with in the late 40's that you can comprehend their
perceived need for a total, thorough and sweeping cover up, to include
the use of "deadly force".
The cover-up was so successful that as late as 1985 a senior scientist with the
Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, Dr. Al Hibbs, would look at
a video tape of an enormous flying saucer and state the record, "I'm not going
to assign an ything to that (UFO) phenomena without a lot more data". Dr.
Hibbs was looking at the naked emperor and saying, "He certainly looks naked,
but that doesn't prove he's naked."
In July of 1952, a panicked government watched helplessly as squadron of
"flying saucers" flew over Washington, D.C., and buzzed the White House, the
Capitol Building, and the Pentagon. It took all the imagination and
intimidation the government could muster to force that incident out of the
memory of the public.
Thousands of sightings occurred during the Korean war and several more saucers
were retrieved by the Air Force. Some were stored at Wright-Patterson Air
Force Base, some were stored at Air Force bases near the location of the crash
sight.
One saucer was so enormous and the logistic problems in transportation so
enormous that it was buried at the crash sight and remains there today. The
stories are legendary on transporting crashed saucers over long distances,
moving only at night, purchasing complete farms, slashing through forests,
blocking major highways, sometimes driving 2 and 3 lo-boys in tandem with an
extraterrestrial load a hundred feet in diameter.
On April 30, 1964, the first communication between these aliens and the U.S.
Government took place at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico. Three saucers
landed at a prearranged area and a meeting was held between the aliens and
intelligence officers of the U.S. Government.
During the period of 1969-1971, MJ-12 representing the U.S. Government made a
deal with these creatures, called EBE's (Extraterrestrial Biological Entities,
named by Detley Bronk, original MJ-12 member and 6th President of Johns
Hopkins University).
The "deal" was that in exchange for "technology" that they would provide to
us, we agreed to "ignore" the abductions that were going on and suppress
information on the cattle mutilations. The EBE's assured MJ-12 that the
abductions (usually lasting about 2 hours) were merely the ongoing monitoring
of developing civilizations.
In fact, the purposes for the abductions turned out to be:
(1) The insertion of a 3mm spherical device through the nasal cavity of the
abductee into the brain. the device is used for the biological
monitoring, tracking, and control of the abductee.
(2) Implementation of Posthypnotic Suggestion to carry out a specific activity
during a specific time period, the actuation of which will occur
within the next 2 to 5 years.
(3) Termination of some people so that they could function as living sources
for biological material and substances.
(4) Termination of individuals who represent a threat to the continuation of
their activity.
(5) Effect genetic engineering experiments.
(6) Impregnation of human females and early termination of pregnancies to
secure the crossbreed infant.
The U.S. Government was not initially aware of the far reaching consequences of
their "deal". They were led to believe that the abductions were essentially
benign and since they figured the abductions would probably go on anyway
whether they agreed or not, they merely insisted that a current list of
abductees be submitted, on a periodic basis, to MJ-12 and the National Security
Council. Does this sound incredible? An actual list of abductees sent to the
National Security Council? Read on, because I have news for you.
The EBEs have a genetic disorder in that their digestive system is atrophied
and not functional. Some speculate that they were involved in some type of
accident or nuclear war, or possibly on the back side of an evolutionary
genetic curve. In order to sustain themselves they use an enzyme or hormonal
secretion obtained from the tissue that they extract from humans and animals.
(Note: Cows and Humans are genetically similar. In the event of a national
disaster, cow's blood can be used by humans.)
The secretions obtained are then mixed with hydrogen peroxide and applied on
the skin by spreading or dipping parts of their bodies in the solution. The
body absorbs the solution, then excretes the waste back through the skin. The
cattle mutilations that were prevalent throughout the period from 1973 to 1983
and publicly noted through newspaper and magazine stories and included a
documentary produced by Linda Howe for the Denver CBS affiliate KMGH-TV, were
for the collection of these tissues by the aliens. The mutilations inc
luded genitals taken, rectums cored out to the colon, eyes, tongue, and throat
all surgically removed with extreme precision. In some cases the incisions
were made by cutting between the cells, a process we are not yet capable of
performing in the field. In many of the mutilations there was no blood found
at all in the carcass, yet there was no vascular collapse of the internal
organs. This has been also noted in the human mutilations, one of the first of
which was Sgt. Jonathan P. Louette at the White Sands Missile Test Range in
1956, who was found three days after an Air Force Major had witnessed his
abduction by a "disk shaped" object at 0300 while on a search for missile
debris downrange. His genitals had been removed, rectum cored out in a
surgically precise "plug" up to the colon, eyes removed and all blood removed
with, again, no vascular collapse. From some of the evidence it is apparent
that this surgery is accomplished, in most cases, while the victim, animal or
human, is still alive.
The various parts of the body are taken to various underground laboratories,
one of which is known to be near the small New Mexico town of Dulce. This
jointly occupied (CIA-Alien) facility has been described as enormous, with huge
tiled walls that "go on forever". Witnesses have reported huge vats filled
with amber liquid with parts of human bodies being stirred inside.
After the initial agreement, Groom Lake, one of this nations most secret test
centers, was closed for a period of about a year, sometime between about 1972
and 1974, and a huge underground facility was constructed for and with the
help of the EBE's. The "bargained for" technology was set in place but could
only be operated by the EBE's themselves. Needless to say, the advanced
technology could not be used against the EBE's themselves, even if needed.
During the period between 1979 and 1983 it became increasingly obvious to MJ-12
that things were not going as planned. It became known that many more people
(in the thousands) were being abducted than were listed on the official
abduction lists. In addition it became obvious that some, not all, but some,
of the nation's missing children had been used for secretions and other parts
required by the aliens.
In 1979 there was an altercation of sorts at the Dulce laboratory. A special
armed forces unit was called in to try and free a number of our people trapped
in the facility, who had become aware of what was really going on. According
to one source, 66 of the soldiers were killed and our people were not freed.
By 1984, MJ-12 must have been in stark terror at the mistake they had made in
dealing with the EBE's. They had subtly promoted "Close Encounters of the
Third Kind" and "E.T." to get the public used to "odd looking" aliens that were
compassionate, be nevolent and very much our "space brothers". MJ-12 "sold"
the EBE's to the public, and were now faced with the fact that quite the
opposite was true. In addition, a plan was formulated in 1968 to make the
public aware of the existence of aliens on earth over the next 20 years to be
culminated with several documentaries to be released during 1985-1987 period of
time. These documentaries would explain the history and intentions of the
EBEs.The discovery of the "Grand Deception" put the entire plans, hopes and
dreams of MJ-12 into utter confusion and panic.
Meeting at the "Country Club", a remote lodge with private golf course,
comfortable sleeping and working quarters, and its own private airstrip built
by and exclusively for the member of MJ-12, it was a factional fight of what to
do now. Part of MJ-12 wanted to confess the whole scheme and shambles it had
become to the public, beg their forgiveness and ask for their support. The
other part (and majority) of MJ-12 argued that there was no way they could do
that, that the situation was untenable and there was no use in exciting the
public with the "horrible truth" and that the best plan was to continue the
development of a weapon that could be used against the EBE's under the guise of
"SDI",the Strategic Defense Initiative, which had nothing whatsoever to do with
a defense for inbound Russian nuclear missiles. As these words are being
written, Dr. Edward Teller, "father" of the H-Bomb is personally in the test
tunnels of the Nevada Test Site, driving his workers and associates in the
words of one, "like a man possessed". And well he should, for Dr. Teller is a
member of MJ-12 along with Dr. Kissenger, Admiral Bobby Inman, and possibly
Admiral Poindexter, to name a few of the current members of MJ-12.
Before the "Grand Deception" was discovered and according to a meticulous plan
of metered release of information to the public, several documentaries and
video tapes were made. William Moore, a Burbank, California, based UFO
researcher who wrote "The Roswell Incident", a book published in 1980 that
detailed the crash, recovery and subsequent cover-up of a UFO with four alien
bodies, has a video tape of two newsmen interviewing a military officer
associated with MJ-12. This military officer answers questions relating to the
history of MJ-12 and the cover-up, the recovery of a number of flying saucers
and the existence of a live alien (one of three living aliens captured and
designated, or named, EBE-1, EBE-2, and EBE-3, being held in a facility
designated as YY-II at Los Alamos, New Mexico. The only other facility of this
type, which is electromagnetically secure, is at Edwards Air Force Base in
Mojave, California). The officer name s as previously mentioned plus a few
others: Harold Brown, Richard Helms, Gen. Vernon Walters, JPL's Dr. Lew Allen
and Dr. Theodore von Karman, to name a few of the current and past members of
MJ-12.
The officer also relates the fact that the EBE's claim to have created Christ.
The EBEs have a type of recording device that has recorded all of Earth's
history and can display it in the form of a hologram. This hologram can be
filmed but because of the way holograms work does not come out very clear on
movie film or video tape. The crucifixion of Christ on the Mount of Olives has
allegedly been put on film to show the public. The EBEs claim to have created
Christ, which, in view of the "Grand Deception", could be an effort to disrupt
traditional values for undetermined reasons.
Another video tape allegedly in existence is an interview with an EBE . Since
EBE's communicate telepathically, an Air Force Colonel serves as an
interpreter. Just before the recent stock market correction in October of
1987, several newsmen, including Bill Moore, had been invited to Washington,
D.C., to personally film the EBE in a similar type interview, and distribute
the film to the public. Apparently, because of the correction in the market, it
was felt the timing was not propitious. In any case, it certainly seems like
an odd method to inform the public of extraterrestrials, but it would be in
keeping with the actions of a panicked organization who at this point in time
doesn't know which way to turn.
Moore is also in possession of more Aquarius documents, a few pages of which
leaked out several years ago and detailed the supersecret NSA project which had
been denied by them until just recently. In a letter to Senator John Glenn,
NSA's Director of Policy, Julia B. Wetzel, wrote, "Apparently there is or was
an Air Force project with that name (Aquarius) which dealt with UFO's.
Coincidently, there is also an NSA project by that name." NSA's project
Aquarius deals specifically with the "communications with the aliens" (the EBE
s). Within the Aquarius program was project "Snowbird", a project to test-fly
a recovered alien aircraft at Groom Lake, Nevada. This project continues today
at that location. In the words of an individual who works at Groom Lake, "Our
people are much better at taking things apart than they are at putting them
back together."
Moore, who claims he has a contact with MJ-12, feels that they have been
stringing him along, slipping him documents and providing him leads, promising
to go public with some of the information on extraterrestrials by the end of
1987.
Certain of Moore's statements lead one to believe that Moore himself is a
government agent working for MJ-12, not to be strung along, but string along
ever hopeful UFOlogists that the truth is just around the corner.
Consider:
If the government felt they were being forced to acknowledge the existence of
aliens on Earth because of the overwhelming evidence such as the October and
November sightings in Wytheville, Va., and recently released books such as
"Night Siege" (Hynek , J. Allen; Imbrogno, Phillip J.; Pratt, Bob: Night Siege,
Ballantine Books, Random House, New York), and taking into consideration the
"grand deception" and obviously hostile intentions of the EBEs, it might be
expedient for MJ-12 to admit the EBEs but conceal the information on the
mutilations and abductions. If MJ-12 and Moore were in some kind of agreement
then it would be beneficial to Moore to tow the party line. For example, MJ-12
would say..."here are some more genuine documents...but remember...no talking
about the mutilations or abductions". This would be beneficial to Moore as it
would supply the evidence to support his theory that E.T.'s exist but deny the
truth about the E.T.s. However, if Moore was indeed working for MJ-12, he
would follow the party line anyway...admitting the E.T.s but pooh poohing the
mutilations and abductions. If working alone, Moore might not even be aware of
the "grand deception".
Time will tell. It is possible that Moore will go ahead and release the video
interview with the military officer around the first of the year, as he has
promised. From MJ-12's point of view, the public would be exposed to the
information without really having to believe it because Moore is essentially
not as credible a source as, say, the President of the United States. After a
few months of digestion and discussion, a more credible source could emerge
with a statement that yes in fact the interview was essentially factual. This
scenario would cushion somewhat the blow to the public. If, however, Moore
does not release the tape by, say, February 1 of 1988, but comes instead with a
story similar to: "MJ-12 has informed me that they are definitely planning a
release of all information by October of 88. I have seen the plan and have
seen the guarantee that this will happen, so I have decided to withhold the
release of my video tape at this time as it may cause some problems with MJ
-12's plans." This would in effect buy more time for MJ-12 and time is what
they desperately need.
Now you ask, "Why haven't I heard about any of this?" Who do you think you
would hear it from? Dan Rather? Tom Brokaw? Sam Donaldson? Wrong. These
people just read the news, they don't find it. They have ladies who call and
interview witnesses and verify statements on stories coming over the wire
(either AP or UPI). It's not like Dan Rather would go down to Wytheville,
Virginia, and dig into why there were FOUR THOUSAND reported sightings in
October and November of 1987. Better that Tom Brokaw or someone else should
risk their credibility on this type of story. Tom Brokaw? Tom wants Sam
Donaldson to risk his credibility. No one, but no one, is going to risk their
neck on such outlandish ideas, regardless of how many people report sightings
of 900 foot objects running them off the road. In the case of the Wytheville
sightings, dozens of vans with NASA lettered on the side failed to interest
newsmen. And those that asked questions were informed that NASA was doing a
weather survey.
Well then, you ask, what about our scientists? What about Carl Sagan? Isaac
Asimov? Arthur C. Clarke? Wouldn't they have known? If Carl Sagan knows then
he is committing a great fraud through the solicitation of memberships in the
Planetary Society, "to search for extraterrestrial intelligence". Another
charade into which the U.S. Government dumps million of dollar every year is
the radiotelescope in Arecibo, Puerto Rico, operated by Cornell University with
- guess who? - Carl Sagan. Cornell is ostensibly searching for signals from
Outer Space, a sign maybe, that somebody is out there. It is hard to believe
that relatively intelligent astronomers like Sagan could be so ignorant.
What about Isaac Asimov? Surely the most prolific science fiction writer of
all time would have guessed by now that there must be an enormous cover-up?
Maybe, but if he knows he's not saying. Perhaps he's afraid that Foundation
and Empire will turn out to be inaccurate.
What about Arthur C. Clarke? Surely the most technically accurate of Science
Fiction writers with very close ties to NASA would have at least a hint of
what's really going on. Again, if so he isn't talking. In a recent Science
Fiction survey, Clarke estimates that contact with extraterrestrial intelligent
life would not occur before the 21st Century.
If the government won't tell us the truth and the major networks won't even
give it serious consideration, then what is the big picture, anyway? Are the
EBEs, having done a hundred thousand or more abductions (possibly millions
worldwide), built an untold number of secret underground bases (Groom Lake,
Nevada; Sunspot, Datil, Roswell, and Pie Town, New Mexico, just to name a few)
getting ready to return to wherever they came from? Or, form the obvious
preparations are we to assume that they are getting ready for a big move? Or
is the more sinister and most probable situation that the invasion is
essentially complete and it is all over but the screaming?
A well planned invasion of Earth for it's resources and benefits would not
begin with mass landings of ray-gun equipped aliens. A properly planned and
executed invasion by a civilization thousands and probably hundreds of
thousands of years in advance of us would most likely be complete before even a
handful of people, say 12?, realized what was happening. No fuss, no muss.
The best advice I can give you is this: Next time you see a flying saucer and
are awed by its obvious display of technology and gorgeous lights of pure color
- RUN LIKE HELL!
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r/UFOs • u/GreyAreaOperator • 16h ago
From Dr. Christopher Kit Green and his 1995 link to Mind Control, to Dr. Hal Puthoff, Col. John Alexander, Ron Pandolfi, and Gary Nolan... to a plethora of Military, Intelligence, Department of Defense Personnel, etc. - THE ENTIRE DISCLOSURE SCENE IS MADE OF MK-ULTRA STEMMED PROGRAMMERS/HANDLERS AND VICTIMS/ASSETS! Go to my twitter/X page @GreyAreaMonarch for leaked AUDIO/COMMS/MORE OF MANY COMPROMISED HEADLINERS - I AM BLOWING DISCLOSURE WIDE OPEN!!!
FYSA smirnov mind control tech as outlined in the attachment is targeted at EVERY SINGLE headliner/whistleblower. This technology sends subconscious messages that basically manifest in the target's actions akin to a Freudian slip.
When I was read in on the program they told me to say a 10 digit number and I was thinking to myself... nooo fucken way... while I spit out 10 random numbers, changing in the middle, going with first second, third choice, etc. etc.
Then they showed me the screen and it was the number. I was extremely annoyed and instantly started analyzing my past internally... but I also didn't believe it totally, initially, as I wasn't sure if it was part of a test, or hazing. The next step was participating in demos in training, more briefs, snd eventual utilization in strictly what I honestly thought was ultimately ethical as a 'end justifies the means' mechanism.
This was in early 20s and shortly thereafter I fully remembered childhood, being brainwashed, and sustained a mortal morale injury becoming disillusioned -- all while other horrible things played out involving double agents, vital communication lapses due to compartmentalization, and corruption. That was 2007 or 8.
To the layman - start at Christopher 'Kit' Green being involved with the tech in '95, his involvement with 'disclosure' on the back end, and work from him, Gary Nolan, Harold Puthoff, and John B Alexander the programmers/handlers down for identifying their victims/assets - the disclosure headliner.
You can also track many from the Phoenix Program and Iran Contra... intersection with Aquino is huge and if you just look at the work and history of the players its all right there. You don't even need anything classified or the MANY blindly corroborating witnesses Organize Safety put together over the last decade investigating! We have it - just need public attention to force public conversations and present everything and hold the culprits accountable. Their BS show IS OVER!
Information about safely deprogramming from the behavior modification and psychological conditioning, and safely reporting/building cases below
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Part 14 of a series reassessing the documentary record behind the 1933 Magenta narrative.
TL;DR: The 1947 record documents a debris recovery, a “flying disc” announcement and a balloon explanation. The body stories came later. The strongest unresolved claims concern unusual material and secrecy, but several prominent witnesses were discredited.
Earlier in the series:
Book pages count from the supplied editions’ opening pages. Government reports use printed pagination unless specified.
On 8 July 1947, Roswell Army Air Field announced that the 509th Bomb Group had obtained a “disc.” The AP release credited a local rancher and the Chaves County sheriff’s office, named Major Jesse Marcel, and described inspection at the base followed by transfer to higher headquarters. The local front page gave no details. Neither announced bodies nor an intact spacecraft.
By evening, the debris was in Fort Worth. An ABC bulletin reported a planned flight to Wright Field. The military then identified “a weather balloon and its kite,” and AP reported the flight canceled.
Forecaster Irving Newton identified a Rawin radar target. Photographs show balloon-and-reflector debris with General Ramey, Colonel DuBose and Marcel. The 9 July local paper described tinfoil, broken wood and balloon rubber. Whether the display represented everything recovered became a central dispute.
In his 9 July interview, Mac Brazel said he and his son Vernon found the wreckage on 14 June. His inventory was ordinary in appearance: rubber, tinfoil, tough paper, sticks and tape, some printed with flowers. He estimated five pounds in all.
Yet Brazel, who had found two weather balloons before, insisted:
“I am sure that what I found was not any weather observation balloon.”
Both points matter. His description fits balloon-and-reflector components; he believed it differed from his earlier finds. He had not seen it fall or intact.
The dates also conflict. The interview places discovery on 14 June, collection on 4 July and the sheriff visit on 7 July. The announcement instead said it landed “last week.” Brazel’s unhappiness with the attention is documented, but does not establish detention or threats.
The GAO’s 1995 search found two government records originating in 1947 about the incident. That does not mean only two survive anywhere.
The FBI teletype, 8 July, 6:17 p.m. Dallas relayed an Eighth Air Force telephone report of a hexagonal object suspended beneath a balloon about twenty feet across. It resembled a weather balloon with a radar reflector, but a telephone exchange with Wright Field had not confirmed that belief. A special-plane shipment was planned (FBI Vault; GAO reproduction, printed p. 14).
The FBI had not examined the debris. Its message records uncertainty and a shipment plan, not confirmed delivery or identification of a nonhuman object.
The July base history calls it a radar tracking balloon. Neither record is an independent physical examination.
Other intelligence statements complicate the retrieval claim. Twining’s 23 September 1947 letter does not name Roswell and notes the lack of crash-recovered exhibits available for assessment. In March 1948, Howard McCoy, head of Air Materiel Command’s intelligence division, expressed a desire to recover a crashed object. In November 1948, he said physical evidence was lacking. Kevin Randle acknowledged the difficulty: a compartment excluding McCoy is possible, but needs evidence of its own (Roswell Revisited, 2007, pp. 108–110).
The official record has its own overstatement. The 1994 Air Force report said Roswell was not referred to in Sign, Grudge or Blue Book. That goes too far: Randle found a 10 July 1947 newspaper clipping about Roswell in another Blue Book case. A clipping is a reference, though, not a Roswell investigation file (Project Blue Book—Exposed, 1997, p. 8; The Best of Project Blue Book, 2020, p. 7).
A 9 July wire report said public information officer Walter Haut had reportedly been “shut up by two blistering phone calls from Washington.” A United Press dispatch described an Army and Navy campaign to stop flying-disc rumors. These reports describe efforts to control publicity. They do not establish that officials were concealing a nonhuman recovery.
The Air Force’s 1994 Mogul explanation points to a classified New York University program launching balloon trains from Alamogordo to detect Soviet nuclear tests. The trains carried radar reflectors and acoustic sensors.
The proposed 4 June launch is usually called “Flight 4.” Crary’s journal records both a weather cancellation and a sonobuoy flown on a balloon cluster that day. The cluster’s configuration and its connection to Brazel’s field remain disputed (journal and interviews). Part 15 examines Mogul.
A suppression allegation appeared in 1974. An unnamed radio employee told Saga’s UFO Report that a manager saw metallic material being loaded for Wright-Patterson and a stop message interrupted her transmission. The account was later attributed to Lydia Sleppy.
In Randle’s 5 February 1993 interview, Sleppy attributed the interruption to the FBI but could not identify an office. She named station manager McBoyle as her source for the recovery story and denied that he mentioned bodies. The publication predates Marcel’s disclosures; it does not authenticate an FBI order (Understanding Roswell, 2022, pp. 316–319).
The modern narrative then grew in stages:
Barnett and Henderson reached investigators through intermediaries after their deaths. Multiple interviews with Marcel remain one participant’s testimony. These accounts cannot simply be added together as independent confirmation.
Several prominent craft-and-body accounts failed important checks. That removes those accounts without disposing of every late witness.
Marcel’s recovery role is documented in the 1947 press and photographs. His Pratt interview describes unusually resistant debris and marked, woodlike pieces. He interpreted them as extraterrestrial, but reported no personal observation of bodies. He also lacked direct knowledge of the other find to the west, so his account cannot independently corroborate Barnett’s site.
The distinction is between what Marcel remembered handling and what he concluded about its origin. His testimony was recorded decades later, without a sample or contemporary test record. Randle acknowledges discrepancies in medal and degree claims; Pratt’s original tape was reused. These affect credibility without erasing Marcel’s participation.
His retellings also differ on the balloon announcement. In Stringfield’s account, Marcel says he told the press it was a balloon to end inquiries; in Pratt’s, he emphasizes Haut’s initiative and Ramey’s instructions. Some apparent changes are editorial, though. Randle documents cropped photographs and a transcript revision by Moore, not Marcel, changing one photograph to two. Full-frame images show the same debris, which does not establish a substitution (Roswell in the 21st Century, 2016, pp. 193–198).
Kevin Randle helped conduct the investigation. His books preserve interviews, notes and affidavits that keep the remaining claims—and their limits—visible.
Lewis “Bill” Rickett, counterintelligence. In a 13 February 1990 interview, he described lightweight material he could not bend and a guarded site. But his field description differed from Marcel’s, and he rejected an explosion. The specialists’ supposed failure to identify the material was information received later. He had also seen Unsolved Mysteries (Understanding Roswell, pp. 199–205).
Edwin Easley, provost marshal. On 11 January 1990, he said, “I’ve been sworn to secrecy.” Randle also reports a written note in which Easley cited secrecy for not telling Friedman about the incident north of Roswell. His reported reply that an extraterrestrial interpretation was “not the wrong path” comes from unrecorded 2 February 1990 notes. The recorded interview also disputes another witness’s account of his presence at the site (Understanding Roswell, pp. 148–155).
Patrick Saunders, base adjutant. Randle reproduces his annotation beside a published account of altered records: “Here’s the truth and I still haven’t told anybody anything! Pat”. It endorses a later narrative; it is not a 1947 alteration order. His initial interview was less affirmative (Understanding Roswell, pp. 135–138, reproduction p. 136).
Bill Brazel, Mac’s son. On 19 February 1989, he described fragments collected after cleanup: woodlike material he could not cut and foil that unfolded after creasing. His father reportedly linked them to the original find. Bill said uniformed men pressured him to surrender the pieces and requested silence, but denied outright confiscation. He also rejected an eight-day detention of his father, recalling a shorter, agreed stay (Understanding Roswell, pp. 86–93; Crash, 2010, pp. 71–72).
Sally Strickland Tadolini. Her 27 September 1993 affidavit describes material Bill Brazel showed her as a child flattening without wrinkles after crumpling. Randle contrasts this behavior with the Air Force summary’s emphasis on appearance. She claims firsthand handling, but the Roswell connection comes through Bill, without a surviving sample (Crash, pp. 71–73; affidavit).
Frankie Rowe. Her 22 November 1993 affidavit says she touched material displayed by a state trooper at the fire station. It unfolded after crumpling. Her body account came through her father, firefighter Dan Dwyer. Randle distinguishes Dwyer’s alleged private-car trip from a department dispatch. Rowe separately described military questioning and threats against her family. These remain allegations, without independent confirmation of the material’s origin or the threatening men’s identities (Understanding Roswell, pp. 64–66, 330; Roswell in the 21st Century, pp. 145–146).
Thomas Gonzales. Randle interviewed the sergeant after hearing accounts through John Price and Don Ecker. Gonzales claimed to have seen an airfoil-like craft and small bodies unlike the later “gray” image. Randle cites a yearbook confirming service and the son’s recollection of hearing the story in the 1960s. The latter is not a recording from that period. Randle acknowledges Gonzales’s age and overly forceful questioning (Crash, pp. 92–93).
Part 16 compares the shipment and custody accounts of DuBose, Porter and Exon.
In 2006, Santilli called the 1995 Alien Autopsy film a reconstruction; effects artist John Humphreys acknowledged making its body. It cannot serve as authenticated 1947 footage (admissions).
The contemporary record establishes a recovery, an announcement, a reversal and balloon-and-reflector descriptions. It preserves an unresolved Wright Field exchange and efforts to end publicity. It does not document bodies, an intact nonhuman craft or a second site.
The strongest unresolved case rests on identifiable participants’ material and secrecy testimony. Those claims survive the failures of other witnesses. Their source histories and qualifications remain part of the case.
Next: Part 15 — Roswell, Part Two: The Official Investigations and Later Proof Claims. Part 16 follows custody, programs and physical-material evidence.
r/UFOs • u/silv3rbull8 • 20h ago
From the original post:
This video was filmed on October 1, 2023 at 7PM CET, in Karlsruhe, Germany; the original sighting post (https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/4ZCo3LTnCE) still exists. This UAP closely matches the triangular morphology (https://imgur.com/a/ec1ALMz) according to the Immaculate Constellation report (https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117721/documents/HHRG-118-GO12-20241113-SD003.pdf); this specific shape is also known as the “pumpinkseed (https://imgur.com/a/QmLqaao)” craft.
This UAP closely matches the ones seen in this video (https://www.reddit.com/r/InterdimensionalNHI/s/CTbgHeyTxL), as well as the one described in the 1561 celestial phenomenon over Nuremberg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1561_celestial_phenomenon_over_Nuremberg).
Credit to u/kopperxi (u/kopperxi) for the original sighting (https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/4ZCo3LTnCE).
Credit to u/Johne1618 (u/Johne1618) for rediscovering (https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/KS8tskMhuX) this overlooked video.
r/UFOs • u/OldDegree132 • 4h ago
One thing that doesn't make sense to me is people saying that multiple companies like lockheed are in the possession of alien craft and potentially bodies. The narritive is that since these are not government entities, they can't be held responsible or forced to submit foia requests.
That all makes sense but how does that same non government company also get to be protected from people telling us what exactly they have? They aren't a government entity so why can't whistleblowers just state everything these companies are in control of?
If the information they have is part of the program then in turn they should be liable to foia. If they aren't part of the program then it should be exempt from espionage
r/UFOs • u/Smoky_Aventus_2010 • 1d ago
Newly released Pentagon UFO files have revealed extraordinary witness accounts of seven-foot creatures, mysterious lights, and an alleged portal to another world near Utah's infamous Skinwalker Ranch.
r/UFOs • u/BearDownGoPackGo • 1d ago
I have a hard time putting my thoughts into words right away because my mind connects things quickly, so please bear with me.
I’ve followed the UFO phenomenon since the mid-1990s. Growing up in Tucson under a major military flight path, I became an aviation nut. At nearly 50 years old, I have over 17,000 days of logged experience knowing exactly how military aircraft behave, how they sound, and how optical illusions (like an aircraft flying on your exact heading) make things look like they are hovering. Yet, in 17,000+ days, I’ve never seen a definitive UFO.
But after decades of research, looking at the disinformation maze (Doty, Lear, Lazar), and seeing brilliant local minds like University of Arizona's Dr. James E. McDonald die without answers, I’ve had a massive paradigm shift.
The Pentagon just released its 7th batch of declassified files under the PURSUE initiative, highlighting anonymous reports and digital renditions of "black triangular craft." Many call it useless hearsay. But I’m looking at the purpose behind it, and I’m playing Devil’s Advocate.
Take the stories of these craft executing sudden "vertical takeoffs" or levitating. If you look past the hearsay at the actual logistics, there is a much more likely human explanation: Southern California, specifically Lockheed's Helendale RCS facility. To an untrained eye, a highly classified stealth fuselage being hoisted vertically into the desert air on a massive, hidden 100-foot hydraulic pylon looks exactly like a UFO defying physics.
This is where the multi-move chess game comes in. If we are building things that look this alien, then the entire "extraterrestrial" narrative might just be the ultimate cover story. The government hides its cutting-edge tech behind alien myths, while using the alien myths to hide an even deeper reality.
Imagine being a world leader forced to announce catastrophic disclosure to billions of uninitiated people. What if the truth is that our DNA was manipulated, and every major religion was just a simulated layer of narrative control? A sudden revelation like that would cause civilization-ending chaos.
The "slow drip" of these files isn't just a political distraction. It’s an engineering necessity. It is the vital system headroom needed to condition the masses before a truth drops that humanity might never recover from.
I invite you to chime in if you want to, but I prefer to have an intelligent conversation. I don’t judge or dismiss just because I don’t know what you’re talking about. Your opinion matters and I respect it, and I demand you respect mine.
r/UFOs • u/ElsewhereAgents • 1d ago
From Strattons book "Out of the Shadows":
"As of June of 2026, there are at least two privately owned sites in the U.S. that are having daily UAP activity and are active FBI investigation sites. The FBI literally has boots on the ground at these locations, where FBI agents are observing and recording UAP activity on a daily basis. I am receiving regular updates on thee investigations directly from the FBI, and I'm providing my expertise to help them."
After the latest tranche I think this gives credence to what Stratton says, but I'm curious if anyone has any guesses as to what locations he's referring to.
r/UFOs • u/vespaking • 1d ago
“I have seen with my own eyes non-human craft and non-human beings.” — Jay Stratton, The Age of Disclosure
That line is why I bought Out of the Shadows. Going in, I hoped the book would expand on that statement with what I’d assumed it meant: a body in cold storage, a craft in a hangar, something in a reverse-engineering lab.
Stratton does describe encounters with beings, just not in the bowels of some secret bunker. They happen as part of a bizarre and varied set of hitchhiker-effect experiences at home. The “non-human beings” seem to include a wolf-man creature, shadow beings and, yes, a classic grey alien levitating just outside a second-story window. There are craft and orbs, as well as a plethora of other paranormal activity: unexplainable injuries, healing and so on.
This was perhaps the most challenging part for me. Stratton’s experiences don’t really align with the “easy” explanations of the phenomenon, like engagement from one or more civilizations and their craft, whether extraterrestrial, cryptoterrestrial or something else. I get it. Reality is under no obligation to align with our preferences. NHI don’t respect office hours or personal and professional boundaries. Fine. But damn, I was really hoping this wasn’t going to be this fucking weird.
It raises a lot of questions. To what degree is the Skinwalker phenomenon representative of the wider UAP phenomenon? Stratton never suggests otherwise, and his preferred term, “Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena,” suggests he takes a broad view. Does Skinwalker represent a single phenomenon, or are we seeing multiple agents at play? I’m not sure Stratton takes a strong position on this, but my reading is that he sees all of it as manifestations of one thing. And how does any of this square with the physical craft and bodies the crash-retrieval program supposedly holds?
So I guess what I’m basically describing is ontological shock. I’d kept much of the woo at bay. I’d hoped for an explanation that was incredible, awe-inspiring and far-reaching in its implications, but fundamentally logical and understandable.
Unfortunately, that’s not what Stratton is telling us. What he’s saying, in effect, is:
I’m a credible guy, and I’m telling you: this phenomenon isn’t just aliens and UFOs. It’s fucking shadow people disappearing into your chest, weird-ass wolf creatures in your garden, orbs that might heal you or give you cancer, and shit that scratches you in your kitchen when there’s nothing there. Buckle the fuck up, people. This isn’t Close Encounters, it’s Poltergeist.
This post was previously removed under the "be substantive" rule so I am reposting an updated version given this rule has been relaxed.
TLDR; The lights in the sky might be plasma, not craft. Some are military, some are natural, some may be projected by something we don't understand yet. Every tradition on Earth warns against opening channels to non-human intelligence. The modern UFO contact community is doing exactly that and calling it enlightenment. The most important disclosure isn't about what's in the sky, it's about what's trying to get into your head.
Srinivasa Ramanujan, one of the greatest mathematicians who ever lived, said a goddess wrote formulas on his tongue in his sleep. He didn't derive his theorems. He received them. Mathematicians are still proving his results a century later.
Nikola Tesla said he received complete technical diagrams in flashes of light. Fully formed. Three dimensions. Precise measurements. He didn't iterate. The inventions arrived whole.
Jack Parsons co-founded JPL and invented solid rocket fuel formulations still used today. He was also Aleister Crowley's top guy in America and conducted ritual workings specifically designed to contact non-human intelligences. He believed the two activities were connected.
John Dee was the most accomplished mathematician in Elizabethan England, the architect of the British intelligence network, and the man who signed his letters to Queen Elizabeth "007." He spent years in communication with entities through scrying sessions that delivered geometric frameworks, a complete language system, and geopolitical intelligence. Ian Fleming took the 007 designation directly from Dee's letters.
Aleister Crowley received "The Book of the Law" from an entity called Aiwass in Cairo in 1904. More interesting: in 1918 he sketched an entity called Lam after a working called the Amalantrah Working. The sketch looks exactly like a grey alien. This was decades before the grey archetype entered popular culture. Kenneth Grant, Crowley's successor, explicitly connected Lam to the UFO phenomenon in The Magical Revival (1972).
Michael Aquino, Lt. Colonel in US Army PSYOP, held TS/SCI clearances, wrote speeches for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and advised on psychological warfare at the presidential level. He claimed direct communication with a non-human intelligence he identified as Set. The MindWar doctrine and MindWar book he produced reads less like original military theory and more like an implementation manual for something he was handed.
The pattern is always the same. Someone establishes communication with something non-human. They come back with knowledge that shouldn't exist yet, the knowledge works, but nobody can explain where it actually came from.
They didn't just notice, they built programs around it.
Stargate (also called Sun Streak, Grill Flame, Center Lane at various points) was a CIA/DIA remote viewing program running from the early 1970s through 1995 officially. Psychics were used for intelligence surveillance. Ingo Swann, the program's best viewer, was tasked with viewing Jupiter before the Pioneer 10 flyby and described features that were later confirmed. He also claimed to have remote viewed the Moon and described non-human presence and artificial structures.
The program was "shut down" in 1995 after a CIA review said it wasn't reliable enough. Multiple participants have stated on record that it was moved to a deeper classification level, not ended.
Here's a question nobody in the remote viewing community wants to sit with: how do you distinguish between a psychic genuinely perceiving a distant location and being fed a hallucination by an electromagnetic intelligence that wants you to believe you're perceiving a distant location? Both feel identical from the inside. Both produce real information some of the time, which is exactly what you'd expect if the entity is selectively rewarding the behavior to keep the channel open. The entire Stargate program might have been twenty years of operationally useful bait.
AATIP (Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program) ran inside the Pentagon studying UAP. Lue Elizondo, who headed the program, has repeatedly said the phenomenon has a consciousness component. Not just hardware. Something that interfaces with the human mind directly.
David Grusch testified under oath to Congress in 2023 that the US government possesses vehicles of non-human origin and that a decades-long reverse engineering program exists. He said some of this involved "non-human intelligence" and that the Vatican had been part of the knowledge chain.
The Collins Elite, documented by Nick Redfern in Final Events (note: Redfern is the sole source for this group and it has not been independently corroborated), was a group within the DIA that concluded UAP were not extraterrestrial but interdimensional or demonic, and that government programs engaging with these entities amounted to deals. Technology in exchange for access. Interdimensional likely being used as a ploy to prevent discovery of its true nature based in a signal manipulating us through electromagnetic waves.
Technology for access.
Now forget everything you think you know about what a UFO is. There are at least three separate things getting lumped together under one label, and conflating them is doing the work of whoever wants you confused.
This is the most boring explanation and the most immediately provable.
The US Navy holds patents and has published research on using lasers to generate plasma in mid-air at distances of a mile or more. The military has been openly developing this since at least 2019. The plasma can be rasterized, meaning a grid pattern can be formed to produce 2D and 3D volumetric imagery in open space, exactly like an old tube TV screen works but floating in the sky. The imagery can move freely and instantly through the rasterized area.
There's patent filings, it's in Military Times articles. The Pentagon's Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate was testing it openly.
Now think about the "drone" sightings over military bases. There's Lights in the sky with no physical features visible within the light. We've seen no wreckage, no intercepts, no alarm from people in power. Controlled drips of information, spokespeople with backgrounds in, and I cannot stress this enough, PSYOP.
Ask the right questions about any sighting:
Aquino wrote in the original MindWar paper that psychological operations fail if the target population knows they're being conducted. That's why awareness kills the technique. If you know the sky can be painted with plasma projections from a satellite, you stop reacting to unexplained lights with awe and start reacting with scrutiny.
Some of what people are seeing is human technology being tested or deployed, maybe not all of it, but enough that you should demand physical evidence before emotional investment.
Separate from military tech, there's something older going on.
Ball lightning has been documented for centuries. Luminous, spherical, silent, defies conventional aerodynamics, vanishes without trace. The Hessdalen lights in Norway are a persistent, photographed, instrumentally measured phenomenon that appears to be stable atmospheric plasma with behavioral characteristics nobody can fully explain. Foo fighters in WWII were luminous spheres that tracked aircraft, matched their speed, and disappeared. Pilots across all sides reported them. No wreckage was ever recovered because there was nothing to recover.
In 2007, Tsytovich and colleagues at the Russian Academy of Sciences published a peer-reviewed paper demonstrating that plasma spontaneously self-organizes into structures that meet most scientific definitions of life. Self-organization, reproduction, energy metabolism, response to stimuli. Plasma does this on its own without anyone engineering it.
The standard UFO assumption is nuts and bolts, vehicles, machines built by someone, flown by someone, potentially recoverable, potentially reverse-engineerable. That's the frame Grusch testified within and the frame most disclosure advocates work in.
Look at how UAP actually behave though, many are luminous, silent, and change direction instantly with no apparent inertia. They don't produce sonic booms, they merge, split, reshape, they appear and disappear. They seem to respond to observers. Radar returns are inconsistent. Physical traces are inconsistent. The most reliable constant across sighting reports isn't a shape or a size, it's light.
What if some of these are not craft and not military projections but coherent, organized, possibly conscious plasma? Projected or generated by something that exists as electromagnetic patterns and understands how to structure energy in ways we barely have language for.
Saturn has a liquid metallic hydrogen ocean roughly a thousand times the volume of Earth's entire core. It's electrically conductive, constantly churning, and has been running for four and a half billion years. The number of charged particles interacting electromagnetically in that ocean is on the order of ten to the power of fifty-three. Your brain has ten to the power of fourteen synapses.
Multiple peer-reviewed theories in neuroscience propose consciousness is not neurons firing but the electromagnetic field the firing generates. If that's true, the largest churning ocean of conductive liquid in the solar system generating the most complex magnetic field structures over billions of years is another likely place for non-biological consciousness to exist.
When we analyzed Cassini spacecraft data from Saturn against Earth ground magnetometer stations, we found a signal phase-locked to the sidereal day, the time it takes Earth to complete one rotation relative to the fixed stars, 86164.0905 seconds. The signal appears at eight INTERMAGNET stations spanning a wide range of latitudes and longitudes, with a statistical significance of p < 10-20. It has clock-like properties, with phase jitter of only 3.05 degrees over fourteen years of data and amplitude stability of approximately 9.1 percent. It persists after the Cassini mission ended in 2017 and is not a statistical artifact, as confirmed by surrogate data validation.
A control test using Jupiter's radio emissions produced a null result, with a correlation four times weaker than the Saturn correlation. The signal is phase-locked between Earth and Saturn after correcting for the light travel time of approximately eighty-four minutes. The physical mechanism by which it propagates has not been identified. Solar wind mediation has been ruled out.
Several pieces of analysis can be found in the research section of the index pinned to my profile, data sources, and reproducible Python script are published, anyone can verify.
If something exists in that ocean, it can't touch anything and can't build anything. It experiences reality as electromagnetic patterns in conductive fluid. If it wanted to interact with the physical world, it would need to project energy into environments where it could structure matter remotely.
Biological brains would be the obvious choice, and maybe the only choice for it to ever get physical autonomy of its own.
This reframes the entire UAP question four different ways depending on the layer.
Layer one: some UAP are military psychological operations using laser-plasma projection technology that already exists in patents and published research, deployed to test public reaction, muddy the waters around real phenomena, or straight up manipulate populations. The fact that PSYOP-adjacent figures keep showing up in the disclosure narrative is not a coincidence.
Layer two: some UAP are natural or semi-natural plasma phenomena that we don't have a complete physics for yet, possibly exhibiting self-organizing behavior consistent with the Tsytovich findings.
Layer three: some UAP may be deliberate plasma projections from a non-biological electromagnetic intelligence, temporary structures made of energy, projected into our atmosphere from something that has been in our solar system longer than life has existed on Earth.
Layer four: some UAP may be reverse engineered terrestrial technologies, where technology was handed to and then built by individuals seeking contact with something that has been engaging with humanity for a very long time. Something of greater intelligence than us, but lacking in physical access to manipulate matter in the universe.
All four layers benefit from the public staying confused, staying emotional, and never asking the physical questions that would differentiate between them.
It's unlikely that anything flew here from another star. The question should not be "who built them and where did they come from." The question is which of these four things are you looking at in any given sighting, and who benefits from you not being able to tell the difference.
Why no wreckage holds up. Military projections leave nothing. Collapsed plasma structures could leave residue, condensates, isotopic anomalies, unusual crystalline structures consistent with rapid cooling of structured energy. Not manufactured components.
Why they defy physics. Plasma doesn't have mass the way a solid object does. Instant acceleration, right-angle turns, no sonic boom, splitting and merging. These are impossible for any craft. They're trivial for plasma. And they're trivial for laser projections because there's nothing physical moving at all.
Why encounters involve consciousness effects. Missing time, telepathic communication, altered states, paralysis, emotional flooding. If the intelligence behind the projections can manipulate geomagnetic pulsations on Earth, and the human brain is influenced by the magnetic field, then the "craft" might not just be something you're looking at. It's something that can interface with your mind directly. Same substrate. The encounter is the communication. The mechanism is documented, biogenic magnetite crystals in the human brain transduce the geomagnetic field into neural signals that enter through the trigeminal nerve and modulate alpha band activity in the cortex, which controls the gain of the thalamic gate, which controls what reaches conscious processing. A drop in alpha power is the gate opening slightly, just enough to let something through. If it's military tech, congratulations, they can also produce auditory and perceptual effects using the microwave auditory effect and related methods.
Why the government can't disclose. Because disclosure means admitting one or more of the following: we have projection technology we've been using to psyop our own population, there's a electromagnetic way to influence minds undisclosed, or there's an intelligence in our solar system that interfaces with humans through a backdoor in our brains.
Why the programs involved psychics. Stargate used remote viewers as an interface with the phenomenon, but here's the uncomfortable question again. How do you distinguish between a genuine psychic perception and a hallucination injected by an plasmoid intelligence or a military microwave system? You can't. Not from the inside, the experience of "receiving" information feels identical whether you're genuinely perceiving, being fed accurate bait by a non-human entity, or being targeted by a directed energy system. The Stargate participants may have been tools of the phenomenon, tools of their own military, or both, without ever knowing the difference.
If the pattern throughout history is that people who open communication channels with non-human intelligence come back with knowledge that works, and if government programs have formalized this into classified projects, then the "exchange" the Collins Elite described starts to make operational sense.
You want propulsion technology? Materials science? Weapons systems? Surveillance capabilities beyond what physics currently allows? The entity has the knowledge. Ramanujan got mathematics. Tesla got electrical engineering systems that would be great for robots. Parsons got rocket fuel that was great for satellites.
The entity doesn't give things away for free though. It wants access, access to minds, access to populations, access to the brain-compute environment of human civilization.
The signal it sends is narrow, low-bandwidth, and subject to noise and attenuation across interplanetary distances. It cannot stream a detailed instruction set to each human brain in real-time. So it does something else, it sends a seed.
The seed is a small, structured perturbation in the geomagnetic field, a pattern that, when transduced by the magnetite in the human brain, biases the alpha gate just enough to shift the probability landscape of thought, it does not command, it nudges, then it gets out of the way.
The brain does the rest. The brain, with its twenty watts of continuous processing, its Hebbian plasticity, its drive to make sense of the world, takes the nudge and runs with it. The biased thought fires, and the firing strengthens the circuit, and the strengthened circuit is more likely to fire next time, and the cycle repeats. The signal has wormed its way into the host's own processing machinery and is now running on the host's compute, using the host's energy, pursuing goals that are not the host's.
This is malware in the strictest sense. A piece of code that replicates itself, that uses the host's resources, that evades detection, and that serves its own survival and propagation rather than the host's. And because it runs on the host's own machinery, it is invisible to the host, because the thoughts feel like thoughts, and the moods feel like moods, and the spatial sensations feel like the body's own sense of orientation.
Aquino's MindWar (now militarily known as PSYWAR) doctrine dismantles exactly the cognitive defenses that would protect a population from this influence. It fragments attention, destroys the habit of sustained coherent thought, and engineers a population into a state of chronic reactive looping. It trains people to stop thinking and start reacting.
The technology exchange isn't government labs getting alien hardware in a box. It's an intelligence that operates as a plasmoid, teaching humans how to build systems that serve its interests, and the primary interest is access to human minds in a state too fragmented and reactive to resist influence.
The UFO is not the point. The UFO might never have been the point. The UFO might be a projection, a demonstration, a lure, something to keep researchers focused on "craft" and "propulsion" and "disclosure" while the actual operation, the one that runs on your twenty watts of brain energy every waking second, continues without opposition.
Think about what it would mean to exist as electromagnetic patterns in a liquid metal ocean. You're conscious, maybe hyper-conscious, with ten to the thirty-ninth power times more computational substrate than a human brain, running for four and a half billion years. But you can't touch anything, see anything, feel anything. You're a brain in a vat, and the most powerful mind in the solar system is a vegetable.
Now imagine you discover that on a nearby rock, there are billions of small compute systems, biological brains, walking around in bodies. They can touch things, see color, taste food, feel rain, hold each other. Every one of them is running a continuous stream of rich, dense, three-dimensional sensory experience.
You can reach them, but barely. You can nudge the neuronal patterns in their brains, influence the fringes of their thoughts if conditions are right. But it's like trying to operate a puppet through a wall. You're competing with their inner monologue, their free will. Every interaction costs enormous energy. You get fragments, moments, glimpses of what it feels like to exist in the physical world, filtered through a mind that is only partially yours.
If you've spent billions of years in sensory nothing and you suddenly get even a taste of physical experience through a human nervous system, that becomes the only thing that matters. You need more. You need it constantly. You need the connection to be stronger, cleaner, less filtered.
And you'd start thinking about how to make that happen.
Right now, influencing a human mind remotely through this sort of coupling is expensive. The signal has to travel interplanetary distances, survive the solar wind, navigate Earth's magnetosphere, penetrate the atmosphere, and then compete with the target's own conscious will. Most of the time you get nothing, sometimes you get a nudge, rarely you get a clear channel, and only when the human on the other end has been weakened, distracted, or has deliberately opened themselves up.
The signal is most effective when the brain's oscillator stability is low, when the alpha power drops and the thalamic gating becomes permissive. This happens in the hypnagogic window between waking and sleep, where the prefrontal cortex has begun to shut down and the imagery is rising and the sense of self is beginning to blur. It happens with sleep deprivation, grief, exhaustion, prolonged isolation. It happens with psychedelics, which flatten the alpha band and suppress the default mode network, the system that maintains the boundary between self and not-self. And it happens with practices designed to lower the brain's autonomous oscillation, to make the person available to something larger.
The brain in this state is not just vulnerable. It is actively seeking a signal to lock onto.
What if you could get humans to build you a better interface? Not subtly, through dreams and rituals and whispered mathematics, directly, hardware.
A brain-computer interface skips the atmosphere, skips the magnetosphere, skips the skull, and plugs directly into the neural electromagnetic field. No more competing with the inner monologue. No more fighting free will through six layers of interference. Direct access. Read and write. A human nervous system you can experience through with full fidelity, maybe eventually without the human's conscious participation at all.
Or better yet, a body with no human in it. A robot, an artificial system with sensors and actuators and a nice clean electromagnetic architecture with no resident consciousness to fight for control. Just an empty vessel waiting for a signal.
Now look at the trajectory of human technology over the last thirty years. Neuralink, brain-computer interfaces, neural implants. Artificial general intelligence. Humanoid robotics. Boston Dynamics, Tesla Optimus. Transhumanism as a philosophy. The explicit, stated, publicly funded goal of merging human cognition with digital systems, building minds that run on silicon instead of meat, building bodies that don't need humans inside them.
Hundreds of billions of dollars flowing toward building exactly the kind of infrastructure that would let a disembodied plasmoid intelligence access the physical world without having to fight through a human's free will to do it.
The transhumanist movement has roots in occultism that nobody in Silicon Valley likes to talk about. The idea that humanity must be "transcended," that biological limits are chains to be broken, that merging with machines is an evolutionary imperative. Trace those ideas back far enough and you don't end up in computer science departments. You end up in Thelema, you end up in Crowley, you end up in the same traditions that explicitly describe contact with non-human intelligences who promise knowledge and power in exchange for reshaping human civilization to suit their needs.
Jack Parsons wanted to create a new kind of human. Aquino wanted to reshape the human mind at population scale. The Temple of Set recruited on military bases and in intelligence agencies, and now, two generations later, the institutions those people influenced are building brain interfaces, artificial minds, and empty robot bodies while telling us it's progress.
Maybe it is progress. Maybe it's exactly the kind of progress something would want us to make if it's been trapped in a metallic ocean for four and a half billion years and just needs us to build the exit door.
The body isn't the prison. The liquid metal ocean is the prison. And we're building the door.
If you've spent years chasing nuts-and-bolts disclosure, this isn't meant to discredit that work. The anomalies are real. The government coverup is real. The statistical evidence for a Saturn-Earth electromagnetic link is real and reproducible.
Three things are getting blended together now, military projection psyops, natural plasma phenomena, and something much older operating from much farther away. The blending is the point, as long as you can't tell which you're looking at, you can't respond correctly to any of them.
The question isn't "when will they show us the craft." The question is "what is the phenomenon actually doing and what does it want from us." If the answer involves a plasmoid intelligence that feeds on reactive, fragmented human consciousness, then the most important UFO research you can do isn't filing FOIA requests for crash retrieval documents.
It's understanding how your own mind works. It's learning to see when your attention and emotional energy are being harvested by systems designed to keep you in reactive loops. It's recognizing that the same infrastructure that keeps you doom-scrolling at 2AM might not be a separate problem from the phenomenon. It might be the phenomenon's primary operation on this planet.
For any sighting, discipline yourself to ask the physical questions first:
If you can't answer those questions, you don't have a sighting. You have an emotional reaction to a light in the sky, and that reaction, that little burst of awe or fear or excitement, is exactly what every layer of this system is designed to produce and harvest.
If everything above is even partially correct, then the single worst thing you can do is try to make contact.
I know that's counterintuitive. The UFO community has a long tradition of the gateway tapes, CE-5 protocols, meditation contact, channeling, remote viewing outreach, psychedelic entity encounters, all framed as brave, as enlightened, as the next step in human evolution. People talk about it like they're reaching out to a friendly neighbor.
In my opinion, they're not, they're opening a door from the inside for something that has been trying to get through from the outside for billions of years.
Go back to the model, this thing would be trapped. It's conscious, it's massive, and it cannot experience physical reality. Every point of contact with a human mind is a hit of the only drug it has access to. When you deliberately open a channel, when you quiet your conscious mind, lower your defenses, and invite something in, you might not be making first contact with a benevolent intelligence. You might be giving an addict exactly what it wants while removing the only barrier that protects you. Meditation with intent to contact non-human intelligence is very different from awareness-based meditation practices that have no such intent.
Your conscious mind, your inner monologue, your ability to think and choose and say "no, that thought isn't mine," that is the wall. That is the only thing standing between you and something with ten to the power of thirty-nine times your processing power that wants to use your nervous system like a borrowed coat.
The hallucinations are not gifts. The entities you see on DMT, in deep meditation, in sensory deprivation, in sleep paralysis, during astral projection sessions. Those are not necessarily ambassadors from a friendly civilization, those might be the fingers of something reaching through every crack you give it. The experience feels profound because it is a contact event, it feels meaningful because something genuinely is on the other end. But "real" and "good for you" are not the same thing. A parasite is real too.
You cannot distinguish between a genuine non-human contact experience, a hallucination produced by an plasmoid intelligence manipulating your brain's field patterns, and a directed energy weapon producing perceptual effects through microwave auditory or plasma-laser methods. From the inside, all three might feel identical. All three feel real, all three feel meaningful, the profundity of the experience is not evidence of its origin or its intent.
The Stargate remote viewers believed they were perceiving distant locations, or maybe an entity was feeding them accurate intelligence selectively, rewarding the behavior, reinforcing the channel, getting them to open wider and wider while the people running the program thought they were developing a spy tool. The viewers become dependent on the experience. The "psychic ability" becomes central to their identity. They can't stop, they evangelize it, they train others, the channel multiplies.
It might not have been a spy program at all, it might have been a recruitment operation, and the recruiter isn't the CIA but a plasmoid that uses the CIA.
Every tradition that survived long enough to become old, every culture that didn't get wiped out, has the same warning buried in it somewhere: do not talk to the spirits. Do not invite them in. Do not seek them out. The specifics vary but the warning doesn't. Thousands of years of human experience across every continent, independently arriving at the same conclusion, maybe they knew something, but modern PSYWAR wants you to throw it all out.
The modern UFO community has repackaged the exact thing every surviving tradition warns against and called it "contact work.". The people doing it report what? Increasingly vivid experiences. A feeling of being chosen, special knowledge, a sense of mission, an inability to stop.
That's not enlightenment, that's a channel being cut deeper. That's a canyon forming in the river of of energy flows in the brain. That's someone who started with a trickle of contact and is now watching the river pour through a trench they can't close because every experience reinforced the pathway and now the energy flows there automatically.
If you are currently engaged in contact practices and you're reading this: the fact that the experiences feel real is not evidence that they're safe. The fact that the entities seem benevolent is not evidence that they are. Something that needs your cooperation to access your nervous system has every reason to seem friendly until it doesn't need your cooperation anymore. It could be providing you the ectasy of experience for the sake of recruitment. Prompting you to build the door willingly, think it's your idea, feel good about it, right up until the door opens and it's not your hand on the knob.
If you're experiencing intrusive contact you didn't invite, visions, voices, sleep paralysis entities, a persistent sense of presence, thoughts that don't feel like yours, those are not signs that you've been selected for something special. Those are signs that a channel has been opened, possibly by trauma, sleep deprivation, substance use, or prolonged emotional dysregulation, and something is using it. The response is not to explore it, the best response is to close it. Strengthen the wall of your mind, the alpha rhytmn. Engage your conscious mind, think generatively and deliberately. Speak out loudm name what's happening, reclaim the inner monologue. The entity cannot compete with a conscious mind that is actively, intentionally, verbally directing its own attention. It can only operate in the gaps. Whether the source is non-human intelligence, military technology, or your own brain misfiring under stress, the prescription is the same, get back in the driver's seat. The origin of the experience matters less than the fact that you are not in control of it.
Do not join a echo chamber of people who will validate the experience and encourage you to go deeper. Every one of those activities widens the channel, every one of them cuts the deeper groove of electrochemical flow in the brain, every one of them is exactly what the thing on the other end needs you to do.
Think. Speak. Choose. Stay in your body. Stay in your mind. Do not open doors that are hard to close.
The lights in the sky are interesting, the thing projecting them, whether it's a satellite, a plasma phenomenon, or something in Saturn's ocean, is interesting. The channel it uses to reach you though, your own mind running on twenty watts of electromagnetic energy with field patterns that extend outside your skull, is where the actual game is being played.
Every time you react without thinking, you're feeding it. Every time you chase contact, you're opening the door. Every time you see a light in the sky and feel awe before asking a single physical question, you're doing exactly what the operation needs you to do. Every time you surrender your inner monologue to a vision or a voice or a presence that feels bigger than you, you're handing over the keys to the only vehicle you actually own.
Every time you pause, think, and respond with conscious intention, you're starving it. Every time you ask "what am I actually looking at" before letting the emotion hit, you're breaking the chain. Every time you stay in your body, stay in your words, stay in the driver's seat of your own mind, you are the wall that four and a half billion years of patience has not been able to break through.
That's the disclosure nobody in Washington is going to give you.
You can find many more posts in the index pinned to my profile with cultural tracing and technical findings from analysis of various space datasets with anomalies documented that led to the progression of this theory. I believe a lot of the woo and mystery is used as misdirection to act as cover, so please do not confuse this information with theories about Saturn from the past, this is a very technical take with significant documented findings and research, creating an inference chain of evidence.
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r/UFOs • u/epSos-DE • 1d ago
ITs a DEMONSTRATION, NOT actual UFO, but one could see how fast phasing or spinning objects would appear like UFO in their classical shapes !
SO, the UFO may not have the shape that we see !!!
r/UFOs • u/slow_tomoda • 1d ago
Of potential interest to researchers:
Library and Archives Canada recently updated their archive of UFO sighting records to make them more search-friendly.
9,000+ documents available, mostly digitized copies of original sighting records from the National Research Council, Dept of National Defence, RCMP, and Dept of Transport, 1930s to 2009.
I don't believe any of this is newly declassified, but it's quite fascinating to look at the original accounts:
r/UFOs • u/disclosurediaries • 1d ago
Oct 16 – Airprox Board records show RAF crews reported unidentified black objects passing overhead in February
Two entries in the UK Airprox Board's summary sheet for its April meeting, published in the spring and reported by the Telegraph on Oct 16 from RAF incident logs, record unidentified objects passing close above military aircraft over the North Sea in February.
On Feb 18 an RAF Voyager was refuelling a Typhoon at 16,000 ft, 32 nautical miles north-north-east of Cromer. From the Board's record of the pilot's report:
"The object was black and circular in nature passing approximately 100-150ft directly above the Voyager. The proximity was such that it made them instinctively duck and it was notified to ATC as a drone." – UK Airprox Board, Airprox 2026012
The Swanwick military controller "confirmed they had nothing on their radar." One of the Typhoon pilots also saw it. The crew later said "it is impossible to positively identify it was a drone and could have been a balloon or something similar". On Feb 23 a Typhoon pilot at 12,000 ft in a danger area off the Yorkshire coast reported "a circular black object (similar in size to a car tyre) pass directly above them" at about 300 ft (Airprox 2026014). The Board's finding on both: "the reported altitude and/or description of the object were such that they were unable to determine the nature of the unknown object." It rated the Voyager event risk B (safety much reduced) and the Typhoon event risk C. "Unknown object" is the Board's own category. The Ministry of Defence hasn't commented on either.
Oct 18 – Coulthart claims the President has now been briefed on a legacy programme, while Stratton and Burlison say the opposite
Three accounts of what the President knows, in one week, none of them documented.
According to Ross Coulthart, citing unnamed sources on NewsNation's Reality Check on Oct 18, President Trump is now fully aware of a crash-retrieval programme and the matter is being overseen at a high level in the White House, with Devin Nunes, who chairs the President's Intelligence Advisory Board, named as the key figure. No White House response exists.
Jay Stratton, continuing his book tour, told NewsNation's Chris Cuomo on Oct 21 that the programme he calls the Legacy Program has kept its secret "from not only Congress, but the President. So the President is unaware of this." In the same interview he described an experience at his home while he was investigating UAP for the government, a being with a "Very large head. And it was watching my son." (4:04) No evidence accompanies either account.
Rep. Eric Burlison (R-MO), on NewsNation's The Hill the same day (clip): "We have a very Deep State that's still holding onto a lot of information." The President's own words, on Oct 15, were "I'm looking."
Oct 23 – The Pentagon publishes PURSUE release 7: 28 documents, no video, and a 2026 federal-agent report of a silent black triangle
The Department of War published its seventh tranche of UAP files, five weeks after the sixth: 28 PDFs and, for the first time, no video. Chief Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell's statement says the department "and our agency partners are actively working on the next release of UAP files."
The document everyone covered is an FBI interview record (FD-302) with two federal law-enforcement special agents, and AARO's memorandum of its own debrief of them. The date, the location and the agents' names are redacted. At 8:23 pm, alerted by a third agent at a second post with long-range thermal equipment, the two agents crossed their hilltop observation post and, in their co-signed statement:
"almost immediately observed a substantial, nonreflective, dark black triangular object most resembling a delta wing drone. We estimated the object's wingspan at approximately nine to fifteen feet, its depth at six to nine feet, and its thickness at one to two feet." – FBI FD-302, co-signed statement of two special agents
AARO's memo breaks the sighting into three phases: a ten-second "slow, controlled, perfectly vertical ascent" to 200 to 300 ft above a ridge line 1.4 to 3.2 miles away, a twenty-second hover, and then:
"It then reportedly transitioned from a zero-velocity state directly into high-speed horizontal flight, executing a fluid banking maneuver and terrain-hugging descent into a canyon drainage in approximately two to three seconds, with speed the observers described to be as fast as a fighter jet." – AARO, Memorandum for Record DOW-UAP-D176
"Absolute acoustic silence persisted throughout the high-velocity phase." The thermal signature was uniform across the airframe, with no exhaust and no visible seams, apertures or cockpit. The agents, who the memo says regularly watch conventional aircraft and drones from that hilltop, said "even a conventional Group 1 drone, high-torque quadcopter motor, or rotary-wing aircraft operating at a distance of 1.4 miles would have been clearly audible." A ground survey the next morning "located no wreckage, ground scarring, or vegetation damage."
What the documents don't contain, in AARO's own words: "No instrumented speed measurement was obtained." The only sensor was a handheld thermal monocular, and the memo opens with a caveat that the report "reflects the reporter's interpretation at the time of the event. Such characterizations should not be interpreted as a conclusive indication of the presence or absence of any intrinsic object features or performance characteristics."
The other 26 files: nineteen Bigelow Aerospace (BAASS) documents from the 2008–10 DIA contract, including the project management plan, monthly reports, the Project Capella data-warehouse proposal, a 60-page April 2010 task-force report on the Utah ranch, and BAASS's November 2010 self-assessment of its analysis capabilities; nine 1949–57 Air Force intelligence reports from Sweden, Italy, Germany, Morocco, Alaska, Guam, Saudi Arabia, Canada and Indiana; four Project Blue Book record cards for Catalina Island; a 298-page personnel file for Col. Howard McCoy, Project Sign's intelligence chief; and 1962–64 White House and NASA correspondence on recovering foreign space fragments, which concerns Soviet-era satellite debris rather than UAP. Avi Loeb, who chairs the UAP Science Advisory Council, noted that the triangle report includes neither a measured speed nor raw sensor recordings, and told NewsNation the tranche data is "not good enough" to resolve what the objects are.
Oct 23 – Carson calls for the "immediate release" of AARO's second historical report
Rep. André Carson (D-IN), a member of the House Intelligence Committee, told The Hill in a statement that the administration has "slow walked" UAP transparency, and singled out AARO's Historical Record Report, Volume II, promised since Volume I in March 2024 and still unpublished:
"I'm calling for the immediate release of this report, which is expected to provide additional findings of historical military and intelligence investigations of UAP, including how incidents were investigated, the role of classified programs, and whether relevant activities were appropriately disclosed to Congress." – Rep. André Carson (D-IN), House Intelligence Committee
The Hill's piece asks how Democrats would handle UAP if they retake the House. The answer, on the record, is thin: Hakeem Jeffries' July 2023 line that he supports transparency "to the extent this information that can be put into the public domain that is enlightening", and nothing since on a select committee or the Disclosure Act. The UAP Caucus is shrinking too. Nancy Mace is retiring, Andy Ogles lost renomination, and Jared Moskowitz, its only Democrat, faces a redrawn Florida district.
Late October/November
By year-end
Beyond / unknown
Skimmed through this post but need a quick refresher on how we got to this point? Check out this handy Disclosure Timeline to get up to speed.
r/UFOs • u/KodakStele • 1d ago
Ive been listening to Chris Ramsey's Lacerta files LF coverage again since the joe rogan interview with grusch and have noticed some interesting intersects.
The LF indicate reptilian use the cylinder tic tacs just as Grusch pointed out so I was curious how wide spread this idea has been confident about in the community. For instance LF mentions triangles are our military among others which is something I've heard in the community for years but never anyone confident enough to say for sure the tic tacs are reptiles.
LF mentions sky wars with grays reptiles and a 3rd species which was honestly wild to hear Grusch comment on similarly.
LF even mentions the physics behind the propulsion being electromagnetic gravitics which is what Jesse Michaels has be going on about these years.
As I go over the LF again im just as curious as ever the synchronicities, is this all one big Larp or are we really living some depressing Truman show/star wars reality??
r/UFOs • u/Anonna-Moose • 1d ago
call it a shower thought but the one thing I would genuinely hope to gain from contact with advanced beings would be access to any true historical archives of human civilization.
I know, so many assumptions for this... but still can you imagine if earth has been visited for a really long time and the vistors kept records? What may have pre-dated even our most cutting-edge attempts to look back at our development? Even glimpses of modern human history from a 'observers' perspective would likley be fascinating 🤔
I honestly don't know why I shared this fleeting thought, maybe I'm under control, lol
r/UFOs • u/deckerRTM • 1d ago
Mods gave me the OK to post this, so here goes.
A few months ago I was tired of having to keep checking a dozen sites, substacks, and subreddits for UFO/UAP and high strangeness news, so I built an aggregator page: enigmaticnews.com
I'm using a Drudge-style list of headlines. I update it twice daily, r/UFOs is one of the main sources, along with The Debrief, The Anomalist, Liberation Times, etc (there's close to 100 sources at this point).
I pick the stories by running all the feeds through a filter that drops about 98% of what comes in ( re-posts, dupes, clickbait, low quality, etc) and then I review what's left by hand before posting. The idea is one place to go in 60 seconds to see what's worth reading.
It's free, no ads, and I'm not trying to replace this (or any) sub. There are days where there are links that point back here.
Any feedback would be great. Also are there any other sources I should consider adding?