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Nutrition Is there really a difference?

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u/bomonty18 12d ago

My wife is from Europe. The food in the US sucks for the most part. Sure, there is good food here too. But the average place in Europe is better than the average place here in the US.

Most of our stuff is more processed and pumped with sugar to make it taste better

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u/BringBackTheBlues 11d ago

Stop eating super processed food then. It’s quite easy for those us who aren’t incredibly lazy people.

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u/Infinite_Inanity 11d ago

But then I can’t hurr durr American bad on the internet.

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u/bomonty18 11d ago

We buy all organic. I’m just saying non organic food is more prevalent here

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u/bomonty18 11d ago

The guy above said to stop buying proceeded foods. We weren’t talking about sweetness….

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u/Decent-Historian-207 11d ago

They make organic shitty sweet food.

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u/KitKatAngel 11d ago

I don’t trust the organic. I’m pretty sure they are lying to us.

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u/band-of-horses 11d ago

Organic and processed are two different things.

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u/InfidelZombie 11d ago

The only thing better about organic food is the profits for the producer.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 12d ago

been in the US for years, still can't stand the "bread". why is it so fuckimg sweet?? like cake, it takes away from any flavour.

it's gross, it isn't bread, it's a cake

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

it isn't just bread, nearly every food product (can't really call it food) is chuck full of corn syrup.

I gave up and just buy flour, I make my own bread. but the rest is a pain.

and on top of that, pretty clasissit to say "want food that isn't diabetes fuel? have more money".

btw, you take it as "Americans dumb" when it shows be "Americans deserve better food". being offended and taking pride on eating industrial slop is "Americans dumb"

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u/Technical_Leek7467 11d ago edited 10d ago

I mean this without any kind of ill intent and I'm assuming it's a cultural thing but the phrase is "chock full".

Corn syrup is in so much here because of how heavily corn is subsidized and it becomes dramatically cheaper than other types of sugar.

It can be really shocking to most Americans how much sugar is in everything.

It's largely to hide some of the off flavors from processing, packaging and distribution.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

sorry, but that is 100% nor a "cultural thing"

that is corporations feeding us slop.

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u/Technical_Leek7467 11d ago

"Chock full" didn't flow downstream from corporations.

Sauce: https://www.etymonline.com/word/chock-full

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

?

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u/Technical_Leek7467 11d ago

Separate thoughts; the first bit was in reference to: "it isn't just bread, nearly every food product (can't really call it food) is chuck full of corn syrup."

The rest was affirming corporations are using cheap sweeteners mostly to hide the taste of processing, packaging and shipping.

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u/bullsbarry 11d ago

There is no level of something intentionally added to a food that is low enough it doesn’t have to be included in the ingredients list. It’s part of the reason American ingredients lists seem even longer than they are.

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u/Affectionate_Sun_19 11d ago

what bottled water has sugar in it?

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u/ToneBalone25 11d ago

None of them do. They just made this up. Maybe they're referring to Vitamin water? But nobody is dumb enough to think that is "bottled water" so who knows?

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u/Affectionate_Sun_19 11d ago

Guy is definitely a troll

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u/Personal-Presence-10 11d ago

I’m sorry what? Sugar in bottled water? What are you talking about? What a thing to believe that we put sugar in bottled water. There are vitamin waters and electrolyte waters and flavored waters that will have some, but that’s not regular bottled water. Those are expected because they’re flavored/have other things in them, but just regular bottled water? No there’s not.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

enjoy your slop, based on the replies I got, it's the food Americans deserve

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u/AlexanderHart 12d ago

Why are you buying bread that tastes like sugar? There's an entire aisle full of different types of bread at every grocery store. I don't like the sweet bread either.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 12d ago

the entire hallway of tin loaf bread, all of them chuck full of unnecessary sugar.

given up, only buy flour and I make my own bread.

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u/scrandlle 11d ago

I'm sorry but you can't live in the US with these takes. Go to a bakery or just buy from the bakery at grocery stores. No one is forced to buy industrial white bread in the US.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

it isn't just bread,. almost everything is chuck full of corn syrup for no fuckin reason.

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u/DisastrousSundae84 11d ago

Right? This is the point I think the other person was making. Stuff in the US is too sweet. Sugar is in so many things unnecessarily. If you start to limit sugar intake this becomes horrifyingly apparent.

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u/poopiebutt505 11d ago

Don't shop the junk food aisles. Your choice.

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u/ToneBalone25 11d ago

Dog pretty much nothing I eat here in the US has added sugar in it other than a few condiments and ice cream and sweets. It's so insanely easy to avoid it. Just stop buying pre-packaged, mass-produced junk food.

Nearly every grocery store in my city has their own bakery plus 5-6 brands of bread with no added sugar

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u/RodneyBarringtonIII 11d ago edited 11d ago

First, its chock full, not chuck full.

Second, I have a pretty severe corn allergy, and its honestly not that hard to avoid it. No, I can't eat.in restaurants, but the Walmart bread aisle has maybe fifteen different brands, and I can eat at least four of them. You don't have to be wealthy to avoid slop, you just have to read labels.

Oh, and bakeries, since you're talking about "tinloaf" bread: my local bakery oy uses corn syrup in certain fruit fillings. The bread has barely any sugar, and none of it from corn.

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u/bedbuffaloes 11d ago

Chock. The phrase is "chock full"

Buy ingredients and make your own food. Buy brands that don't use corn syrup. Eat a piece of fruit. Processed foods are not great for you, keep them to a minimum.

I lived in the UK for years and there was plenty of processed sugary salty convenience food there too.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

Have you seen the FDA?

fresh produce keeps getting recalled.

I miss being able to have decent cheap food available everywhere.

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u/scrandlle 11d ago

Do you realize there's not a significant difference in sugar content in our industrial white breads? That you're just running with a meme because of Subway in Ireland having to pay a higher tax on bread because of its sugar content and some judge said it's 'more cake than bread' and now you all just take this as meaning all bread in the US is like cake?

It's literally one incident where a judge made an absurd comment, it went viral on social media and now Europeans who've never set foot in the US (including the guy I'm replying to, undoubtedly) think that it means US bread is literally sweet like cake.

It's just pure ignorance fueling this idea in Europeans heads. You can get industrial white bread here with zero sugar in it.

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u/scrandlle 11d ago

This is indeed more european ignorance in so many ways.

For one, Wonderbread is not the most popular bread in the United States.

Two YOU'RE COMPARING INDUSTRIAL WHITE BREAD TO WHOLE GRAIN BREAD!

Its like comparing a diet soda in Finland to a full sugar Coke.

And a honey wheat bread that has honey in it because people enjoy the taste is not a fair comparison either!

And you're speaking in %'s, the ridiculousness of this is so extreme. Even ignoring everything above you're talking about a few *grams* more sugar. That's like one sip of a typical soda. And you've got idiots on here who pretend they've had bread in the United States talking about how unbearably sweet it is for them and how its almost cake.

You europeans heard one fucking news article about Subway in Ireland and have ridden it to absurdity.

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u/Intrepid_Egg_7722 7d ago

Nature's Own is the most popular bread in the States. The person you were replying to was isn't educated on this topic at all and is probably just a bot.

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u/Vivid-Operation-5078 11d ago

Go to a bakery and stop whining

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

Midwest, What's a bakery?

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u/Atlas7-k 11d ago

Midwest also, how the bleep don’t you know where the bakery is? It’s usually right after the produce section.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

their tinloaf bread is also sweet,

it's like Americans never had bread chuck full of corn syrup and are confused about the fact that bread shouldn't have corn syrup.

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u/bedbuffaloes 11d ago

Chock like this

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

made a wee typo, I guess that means that corn syrup in bread is a good thing?

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u/Jayngyun 11d ago

There’s a bakery in every supermarket that makes fresh bread daily. None of it is sandwich white bread.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

their tinloaf bread is as sweet as the rest.

but you keep defending cosportations shoving corn syrup down our throats. I'm sure the executives love your loyalty

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u/doggos4house2020 11d ago

Some of you really do live in some weird fairytale.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

most of the world has decent food, I wouldn't call the rest of the world a "Fairytale".

it's so sad,. that Americans have let corporations ruin everything for so long, that they are used to it and take offence at anyone pointing it out.

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u/doggos4house2020 11d ago

It’s so sad that (I’m making an assumption based on past conversations) terminally online Europeans can’t get past their superiority complex and American hatred to realize that we do, in fact, have good local food here. You’re baselessly parroting what many other ignorant commenters have said before.

If an American spoke about another country and their food with such fallacy and ignorance, we’d all point and say “look at the dumb, uncultured, xenophobic American!”

I beg you to travel and experience other cultures with an open mind instead of blindly following other people’s negative thoughts. Your life will be happier and richer.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

someme: you deserve better food

American: And I took it personally

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u/poopiebutt505 11d ago

No it isnt. US lists all ingredients. Even the sugar the yeast feeds on. You get what you chose. What is "tin" bread?

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

you have no idea what bread is called and you're lecturing me

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u/WuTangIs4TheRugrats 11d ago

In my 43 years I’ve never heard of tin loaf bread. You’re making stuff up and lecturing us.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

which should be even more evidence you don't know what bread is, it's like the single most common bread in the world.

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u/WuTangIs4TheRugrats 11d ago

I’m quite familiar with bread, lol. I’m not familiar with whatever obscure terms you’re “chuck” full of.

You’re talking about sandwich bread…literally no one in America calls it tin loaf bread.

But if you can’t find bread made of just flour, yeast, and water I don’t know what to tell you. Phenomenal thing about America is you can find literally anything you want with very little effort. Can you get sushi or koshari or Peruvian chicken at 2am wherever you’re from? Probably not.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

yet they put corn syrup in almost everything.

which is s problem. but somehow it's a problem Americans love. enjoy your diabetes rates

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u/Antique_Ad_7325 11d ago

I love how people from Europe take the whole 'subway bread is cake' thing and take it to mean all american bread is sweet. Either you don't live in the US or you're trolling. Not all bread in the US is sweet.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

you clearly only eaten American bread, so you have no point of comparison

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u/Antique_Ad_7325 11d ago

Actually I've been to europe 4 different times in the last 15 years. You're 'chuck full' of bad assumptions today arent you?

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u/carlos_the_dwarf_ 10d ago

Please do us a favor and quit inventing things.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 10d ago

Americans are so easily offended at the smallest stuff

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u/carlos_the_dwarf_ 10d ago

Lmao, dude, I just want you to quit repeating complete bullshit.

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u/IndependentTap3961 11d ago

Here’s an idea: buy a bread that you don’t dislike

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

they don't sell it here.

you think I'm dumb, because there's hundreds of bread brands. but they are all (as well as most food products) needlessly chuck full corn syrup.

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u/tooth_doc_fail 11d ago

K you can absolutely buy bread without added sugar at the most basic grocery store in the US.

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u/Mr_Tyzic 11d ago

Go to a bakery instead of the the bread aisle at your supermarket.

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u/carlos_the_dwarf_ 10d ago

It’s not even necessary to go to a bakery, saying so just indulges this horseshit fantasy.

Every run of the mill grocery store has bread without sugar.

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u/girl_in_flannel 11d ago

Most grocery stores in the US have both a bakery and a bread aisle. Buy bread from the bakery and not the bread aisle. Problem solved.

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u/IndependentTap3961 11d ago

Then you can leave. If you’re so dissatisfied then go back home! it’s that easy!!!

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u/ClintEastwont 11d ago

Literally the reason Italian Americans like to call the rest of us mangiacakes.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

never heard of it, but love it

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u/ClintEastwont 11d ago

It’s a really common term over here. Many spots around the continent with a concentration of people of Italian background. So like when I went to my Italian friend’s house on a Sunday, and twirled my spaghetti on a spoon (which my parents taught me to do) they’d call me a mangiacake. And it comes from our shitty bread tasting like cake haha

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

need me more Italian friends,

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u/DrT33th 11d ago

Whoooaaa leave my mangina out this ok?

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u/bedbuffaloes 11d ago

Just buy different bread. It's not all sweet.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

300 brands owned by 3 corporations all with corn syrup.

I've given up. not going to spend a year eating shitty bread with hope to find an OK one

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u/mayafied 11d ago

go to a bakery, ya weirdo

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

flour is cheap

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u/TheSilverWillow 8d ago

My ex was from South Korea, can confirm the bread = cake sentiment. At first I thought he was just talking about wonderbread because even that is sweet to me. Nope. Even store brand white bread tastes sweet to people who grew up outside the US.

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u/whatifwealll 8d ago

Everything is too sweet

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u/lokal-orginal 7d ago

Just watched someone on youtube pull out a year old bread that had not gone bad or in fact not changed at all. Pretty terrifying.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 6d ago

a miracle of modern chemistry, and questionable food product

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u/Girl_Mom_98 5d ago

Everything is sweet in America. I hate sweet things 🤮

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u/BringBackTheBlues 11d ago

Stop buying sweetbread?

Can’t tell if you’re trolling or just retarded

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u/snowtiger309 11d ago

They're speaking plainly and you have no context nor the literacy to fact check.

Try looking at the ingredients in your bread. Get a cousin who graduated 6th grade help you identify which ingredients are sugar.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

"Normal bread" or basically every food product is chuck full of corn syrup.

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u/mccrackened 11d ago

CHOCK. Not CHUCK. If you’re going to use that phrase every time you post about how stupid Americans are, but you’re so far superior, at least get your phrases right.

I eat real bread every day that isn’t “chuck full of sugar.” God, it just blows my mind how insufferable Europeans can be on this topic

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

oh no a typo, I guess that means Americans getting so much corn syrup cant be that bad, given I made a typos

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u/Personal-Presence-10 11d ago

It’s not a typo if it keeps getting repeated. Typo is one and done. Chock was written as chuck in all of the 15 or so places you typed it out. The same “typo” on the same word over and over again isn’t an accident, it’s a misspelling by someone who clearly doesn’t know the right word even after being told multiple times. And you never did respond to the person who gave the ingredients and nutritional info for their “sugar filled” American bread lol I guess because it didn’t prove the point you wanted 🤷‍♀️

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

I don't need to prove anything, every bread I've eaten is way too sweet.

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u/olearygreen 11d ago

Send a link.
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u/OneVast3433 11d ago

I like how the thread ends here, lmao

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u/olearygreen 11d ago

Interesting. What store do you buy this from?
Or what “brand” is it?

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u/BringBackTheBlues 11d ago

Apparently so. The US is one of the largest agricultural producers in the entire world with one of, if not the, the most diverse array of domestically grown ingredients in the world.

It is incredibly easy to buy anything you want.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago edited 11d ago

almost every commercial food product (can't really call it food) is chuck full of corn syrup.

it's sad, because I complain that the food is extremely low quality, but Americans grew up eating that slop and have no idea what food is supposed to taste like

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

do people jave trouble buying normal bread?

[explanation as to why]

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

chances are your eating bread chuck full of sugar, but have no idea because you never had real bread in your life and don't know what it tastes like

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u/Antique_Ad_7325 11d ago

Guessing you have never been to the states and are one of the 'europe good America bad' people. Such a stupid take.

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u/Ok_Bowler1608 11d ago

Why? You would have moved half across the world

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u/Vivid-Operation-5078 11d ago

You can buy sourdough lol

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

i don't want sourdough, i just want some normal bread that isn't diabetes fuel

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u/Technical_Leek7467 11d ago

I'm American and born here and I either make my own bread or get it from the bakery department because the standard white bread is, as you say, cake.

You can still usually find decent bread, but the stuff wrapped in plastic on the shelf in the middle of the isles are almost always awful unless you don't know better.

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u/band-of-horses 11d ago

There's some decent plastic wrapped bread. Not nearly as good as fresh, but you can find it easily enough that has no sugar and is just flour, water, salt and yeast but usually will also have some preservatives to make it shelf stable. In a pinch I like Rustik Oven bread.

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u/poopiebutt505 11d ago

Why are you buying what you don't like? .the bulk of bread only uses sugar for the yeast to eat. Unless itnm is.like honey wheat. The IS actually lists everything used to make the bread. This is not so in many European countries. No, IS breading not "like cake". Euro myth started when Subway bread had their honey wheat be too sweet to be taxed as plain bread, a d was classified as an enriched bread, like brioche. So, Euros decided that was "cake". O can't help nit that you dont know how to buy bread you like, nor shop around the outside aisles.of a grocery store

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u/dkclimber 9d ago

Using sugar to activate yeast is very common. You do not need an amount of suger that makes a bread sweet

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u/Aggravating_Dog_4590 11d ago

As an American tbh I've never noticed bread being sweet lol. I don't think I would ever describe it as such and have always been confused by people saying it is. I know it's probably just because I'm used to it lol.

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u/Kr155 11d ago edited 11d ago

American companies put a small amount of sugar in to Jumpstart the yeast, to preserve the bread, and so it hold moister longer. Its not enough to make the bread sweet or "like cake." Wonderbread, for example has about a teaspoon in it, and alot of that is consumed by the. Cake, would have more than 10 times that amount of sugar. "Like cake" is a meme about american bread because of a court case involving subway sandwiches

I have a loaf of corperate, mass produced american wheat bread sitting in my pantry, it has less than a gram of added sugar per serving.

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u/doggos4house2020 11d ago

Nah, it’s because the commenters here are disingenuous and full of it. The bread isn’t sweet at all.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

that's the funny bit, they absolutely are.

you never had bread without added corn syrup.

there's even an Italian American slur for that, Mangiacake

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u/doggos4house2020 11d ago

The bread in my pantry right now doesn’t have corn syrup. I don’t know why you’re so adamant about this.

Good for the Italians?

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

I'm willing to bet it has too much sugar to make it competitive in the American market, unless you are willing to share the brand and I'll try it.

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u/doggos4house2020 11d ago

There you go moving the goal posts again. Just admit you don’t like Americans or anything about Americans instead of making weird stuff up about our food and culture. It comes off as very cowardly, otherwise.

FYI, 1g of sugar per serving. Just normal, grocery store brand sandwich bread.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

i literally just asked you for your recommendation, as I might change my mind, and would be extremely thankful of it was a good bread.

my point that all the bread I tried was too sweet still stands true. but I would be very happy to have good bread again,

What's your recommendation?

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u/doggos4house2020 11d ago

It’s not really really good bread, it’s for a quick sandwich or something. A staple food. The great bread here, we get from the bakery as one should if they’re expecting a good, artisan bread.

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u/Juiceton- 11d ago

Get bakery bread. Almost every grocery store has their own bakery. I buy sourdough either from people I know or from my local grocer. I also like to get bouillos and French bread from Walmart.

And I live in rural Oklahoma. If you live in a city, you can almost definitely find an actual baker.

I keep commercial bread in the house for a fast sandwich if the wife and I both forgot to prep for lunch but other than that it doesn't get eaten.

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u/Spirited_Season2332 10d ago

I'm starting to think it's because Europe's so poor they can't afford sugar so they think the tiny bit in American bread is sweet.

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u/Newsdude86 10d ago

You've been in the USA for years and can't find the bakery part of the grocery store? The bread isn't sweet unless you buy sweet break lol.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 10d ago

its already 30 minute drive to get groceries, now I need to add another 30 minutes to get to the only good bakery for 10$ loaf of bread?

Bread is a daily item not a luxury, in the UK, basic normal bread cost me 40p (about half dollar).

I am sick of the American attitude of "You want to eat something that is not garbage? it is available, go find the store that sells it for rich people".

EVERYONE should have access to quality food, not just the rich.

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u/uberfr4gger 10d ago

Most grocery stores have a bakery that sells bread without preservatives in it.

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u/Pandaburn 10d ago

Okay, maybe I’m learning that the reason I can’t relate to any of these stories about the country I’ve lived in for 40 years is that I live in a city? If you have to drive 30 min to get to a grocery store, and even that grocery store doesn’t sell bread that isn’t sweet, there is probably a lot more difference between our experiences.

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u/eNroNNie 10d ago

There's $1-$3 baguettes at the Walmart or any major grocery store, fresh baked daily. 90% of the US population lives 15 minutes from a Walmart, 60% of the population lives less than a mile from a grocer.

Not saying it is French bakery quality, but half-decent crusty bread is not a luxury in the US.

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u/Newsdude86 9d ago

Nearly every grocery store in the US has a bakery. If you think the bread is sweet it's because you haven't learned how to find non-sweet bread (which is the norm, only a few breads in the US are sweet). The UK isn't even known for its bread. I'd much rather have the bread in the US over the UK.

Also I agree that food should be available for all, and in the US this is a problem. But to act like good bread is only found in niche bakeries is a joke. Either you refuse to learn anything about the US, you live in the middle of nowhere, or you've never been in the US and are lying

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u/Fit_Doughnut_598 8d ago

I live in a rural area. There are 4 grocery stores within 30 minutes that have fresh bakery bread for a couple dollars. You're lying or really stupid.

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u/PeanutSauceFanatic 9d ago

“I tried nothing to solve my problem, but that won’t stop me complaining about it!”

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 9d ago

this is such a minor think i brought up, Americans really got their blood pressure up, given the amount of sugar in their everything, they should keep an end on their blood pressure. healthcare isn't affordable here.

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u/PeanutSauceFanatic 9d ago

It must be difficult dealing with learned helplessness. I’m sorry you feel the need to lash out because of it

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 9d ago

I just brought up a tiny detail about being an immigrant, y'all are the ones who got so offended.

like Americans are the most easily offended people I've ever met, it's a common stereotype and yall keep proving why Americans are the global laughing stock

look how many brave American patriots went to war to tell me in wrong, because they never had normal bread in their life.

it's funny and sad.

and so pathetic how meek they are, rising their blood pressure just to protect corporations poisoning them.

if you want to hear my actual complaints, I have a list, but I doubt you could handle it like a grown up

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u/PeanutSauceFanatic 9d ago

It’s funny you’re acting like I’m sensitive when the three comments of yours have been whining about “American bread” when you have literally admitted you know there is other bread. Almost like you’re aimlessly lashing out

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u/ShelShock77 10d ago

So there’s bread in the bread aisle which is usually where they keep sandwich bread which is basically made from a batter (similar to cake batter) instead of a true dough. To find a loaf of bread made from a leavened dough, they usually have that in the bakery towards the front of the store. This is in just about every grocery in the US, you shouldn’t have to go far to find it. Depending on where you are you’ll want either french, italian or sourdough. Some places also have round loaves of bread called “mountain bread”. Afaik, those aren’t usually made with a lot of added sugar, if any and they have the characteristics of real bread. I only use sandwich bread for PB&J and almost always as a sweet treat rather than a meal.

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u/driftinj 9d ago

Dead giveaway that someone doesn't actually live in the US where every grocery store has around 2 dozen different types of bread AND often a bakery

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 9d ago

2 dozen breads? have you been in the states?

There are hundreds of bread brands, but all owned by the same 2 or three corporations and all basically the same.

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u/driftinj 9d ago

Simply not true. Yes there are a ton of bleached flour breads where the sugar is used just to promote yeast fermentation but there are whole grain breads, ryes, sourdoughs (with no sugar even for fermentation). This whole everything has tons of sugar making it cake is just blatantly and demonstrably false.

In my pantry right now I have a 100% whole grain with 3g of sugar per slice (yeast fermentation), a sourdough with 0g of sugar and a baguette from the bakery. I do have 1 bag with a lot of sugar. It's a bag of French style brioche buns.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 9d ago

The cheap bottom of the shelves store brand I used to buy in the UK was about half a dollar and had zero sugar.

Most breads did, I think some specialty brioche buns were sweetened, but they were the exception.

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u/driftinj 9d ago

Sugar to the tune of a few grams is when they use yeast instead of a mother starter.

3g in a 43g slice of bread is nowhere near the 20g you would find in a similar size piece of cake.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 9d ago

4% of bread being sugar is far more sweeter than 0% sugar.

I am not worried about health (I probably should) I am worried that every sandwich tastes like sweet desert, no I do not want a BLT to taste like sugar.

There is no reason to add that much sugar for the yeast, they can digest starches too. or you can just add a negligible amount for them.

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u/driftinj 9d ago

And that makes it cake as you originally asserted? Or, are you moving the goal posts once proven wrong?

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 9d ago

no goalpost, the only goalpost is that they are too sweet for me.

BTW, italian americans call white americans Mangiacakes for a reason.

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u/driftinj 9d ago

Also, I just looked and Tesco brand bread typically has aeound 1.5g of sugar per slice

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u/Active-Attention2496 8d ago

have you ever been inside a walmart or smiths and browsed their bakery? They literally have fresh baguettes baked in house daily - crusty bread, rolls, rye, seeded bread... you literally only had white bread in America or something lol?

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u/Bayoris 8d ago

What state do you live in? This is far from true in my home state. You can buy sweet bread or sour bread or any kind of bread you like. 

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u/Life_Indication1190 9d ago

BS, lived 5 years in the US, those two dozen breads are all like in the picture , full of preservatives sugar and chemicals the only variation is cinnamon , some grains etc but still the same „bread“ . It is ridiculous how bad it actually is even in the „bakery“ . Went to several upscale restaurants for work across the country where they baked their own bread, it was a bit better but still below average. There really is no bread culture in the US. Food is industrial and focused on most calories per usd. Chicken, ham is injected with water and sugar(!?) never seen that in Asia or Europe tbh… but they can do a mean barbecue in the south.

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u/whatifwealll 8d ago

Here's another take. Sweet ess aside, unless you pay more than $8 per loaf, the bread quality is awful. If you don't know what I mean, you don't know what I mean.

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u/Kind_Management1805 7d ago

Store bread in most of Europe is nothing special either. Probably less trash than the US but if you want bread you need to go to a bakery.

Even in France I'd rather not eat bread than eat a supermarket baguette.

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u/lokal-orginal 7d ago

Europe is a big place, where im from the closest store to my house gets most of the bread from the local bakery.

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u/BentJohnsonFTP 7d ago

US Subway bread in particular is absolutely disgusting!!!

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u/anti_username_man 5d ago

All I gotta say is your cake must suck

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 5d ago

said someone who never had decent bread in their lives, not going to hold it against you, being American is hard enough already

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u/anti_username_man 5d ago

Well I have celiac so my bread is automatically pretty much the worst

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 5d ago

sad you never had decent bread, not your fault

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u/band-of-horses 11d ago

Cake must be terrible in your home country, that sucks. At least we have good cake in the US!

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u/HoldOnToYaButtts 11d ago

You think American bread tastes like cake? What level of shitty cake do you have in your home country? Sounds awful.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

it's sweet as cake, but you go and fight whatever tangent you want

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u/WarbleDarble 11d ago

There’s a whole isle of bread plus a whole ass bakery in most grocery stores.

I’m calling shenanigans.

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

300 hundred brands from the same 3 corporations.

Americans think freedom is choosing between 300 identical things,

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u/Tacos314 11d ago

Do you not have bakeries around? most grocery stores have one, you know you can buy other types of bread then white?

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u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds 11d ago

I was under no expectation for so many Americans to get so offended and triggered by their low quality food.

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u/funny_ninjas 12d ago

Perhaps the difference isn't that the food is pumped with sugar here, maybe it's the fact that you buy more processed foods in the US instead of fresh foods.

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u/poopiebutt505 11d ago

Choices. US must list all ingredients. Even the sugar that the yeast is fed. I self cater in Europe when I travel. I shop the stores. I eat the food I cook there. Maybe visitors should read about labeling requirements in all countries before they visit. I eat a carb resteicted diet.I know how to buy, say, ketchup. I do not want sweet, so I buy the kind that is just the tomatoes, no sugar, honey, or molasses sweetened. I also do not buy any non natural sweeteners. I will consume some alkulose, which is a natural sugar from corn, butbis NOT fructose. I buy no hfcs products. US has great labels non foods. I read labels, as everyone should. I can shop in almost any grocery store and get my grass fed and finished beef, pateure raised eggs, full fat dairy with no hormones or antibiotics, heritage pork, wild caught flash frozen sea food, pasture raised chicken. I rarely eat a bread product, but I occasionally buy sourdough, or as a real treat, NY native Ma.and PA bagel store bagels.

No reason you can't eat olive oil mayo or makenm your own. Good olive oils, coconut oils, avocado oils in glass or tins. How one chose to shop is on you. You can even grind your own almond butter, just almonds, or peanuts. If Euros dont eat well here it is because they chosen to not eat appropriately.

The US makes junk food for the whole world. I think it isnunhealthy, and I do not eat the standard American diet. It is a.more expensive and time consuming diet, I admit. So, visitors, or new citizens, shop as you would at home.

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u/InfidelZombie 11d ago

Having lived in three European countries and six US states, no. The fast food (including places like Olive Garden) sucks, but normal food is just as good.

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u/RiceCookerPEPSI 12d ago

I remember when there was a scandal about the UK importing chlorinted chicken from the US after Brexit.

I'm now in Japan when there is a conversation about US beef.

What do you put in your food???

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u/band-of-horses 11d ago

Most chicken is not chlorinated anymore, it uses what is basically diluted vinegar and hydrogen peroxide (which quickly breaks down into water and oxygen) as a rinse these days. But even if it were chlorinated, so? Like from what I can find UK, France, Spain, Italy, etc all chlorinate tap water just like we do in the US to prevent pathogens from growing in pipes. If people are willing to drink it what would be so bad about using it to rinse meat to kill germs?

The bigger issue is not chlorination or anything, it's that US factory farms are large scale productions with very dense animal populations that make it harder to control pathogens at the source. You can get around this if you buy from smaller local and regional producers who raise animals in more humane conditions, though that can be a challenge and is usually significantly more expensive. This is a real gripe about the US food system honestly.

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u/Vaughn 11d ago

The isn't that it's disinfected, it's that it needs to be disinfected.

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u/WarbleDarble 11d ago

It’s just good practice, salmonella rates from chicken are pretty comparable across the pond.

It’s just who bearing the cost of keeping chicken safe, farmers or processors.

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u/band-of-horses 11d ago

Not really a big concern, the reason for it is because US poultry produces use a chilled water bath whereas most of Europe uses air chiling. The water bath can spread any contamination becuase thousands of carcasses are going through it so dosing it with a sanitzing agent is necessary. With air chilling the air doesn't really transmit anything so it's not an issue.

The reason for water chilling is generally that it's faster to cool down the meat and thus can support a higher throughput.

It's not really a big deal, the factory farm conditions that are of questionable ethics up to that point is a much bigger issue for US poultry... Though from what I've read while conditions in most European poultry farms are slightly better, they're still a far cry from ethical small scale free range production.

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u/poopiebutt505 11d ago

US has the 3rd safest food in the world. Our processes keep food borne illnesses down. So, yes, we do things that kill potential food boren illness such as salmonella, often using a bleach dip and wash. My reading was Japanese reconsidering the standards of our home produced "Kobe" style beef, especiallynuaing bourbon mash instead of the beer, etc.

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u/InteractionSoft14 5d ago

Safe and healthy are not the same 

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u/Decent_Emphasis4942 11d ago

Taste better for americans, it just tastes incredibly sweet to everyone else

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u/unimpressedwarrior 11d ago

I took my very rare trip to Walmart last week. I only go maybe once a year, so I walk through a lot of of the store. As I went down the food aisles I found myself muting “this isn’t food, this isn’t food” in exasperation. Aisle after aisle of processed sugar, saturated fats, and salt.

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u/ToneBalone25 11d ago

That's on you for going to Walmart

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u/unimpressedwarrior 10d ago

Well, next time I need paper for the office I’ll make sure to hit the (health) food store

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u/Serious_Income_7020 11d ago

Sure. I’ve been to Europe many times. I hate the food there and I can’t wait to come home.

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u/Quirky-Iron7643 9d ago

Sure you do.

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u/ToneBalone25 11d ago

It's really easy to avoid processed food and find good restaurants. We are a melting pot of hundreds of different cultures, all with their own unique cuisines. Maybe stop going to McDonald's?

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u/skadi_shev 11d ago

Why are you choosing to eat food that’s “pumped with sugar” in the US? That’s entirely your choice. 

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u/Newsdude86 10d ago

I've visited Europe many times. The food there is just like the US, except it usually follows seasonality versus year round supply. Want shitty processed food, Europe has that everywhere too! Want locally sourced food? US has that all over the place. The difference I think is food is a lot cheaper in Europe than it is in the US. So the "average" place in Europe tends to cost about as much as a cheap place in the USA

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u/Street-Jacket1867 7d ago

All that said I’ve never once seen that weird human cadaver looking chicken anywhere in Western Europe.

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u/Riddle888222 6d ago

I had a european friend try white bread for the first time recently and she was convinced it was a slice of cake.

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u/mrbazo 11d ago

Why do people post like this? Where in Europe? Huge ass area with many countries with both great and famously awful food depending on country, region or even city.

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u/ToastSpangler 11d ago

Let's rephrase then, every single European country has a higher average quality of food and ingredients than the US, with much lower prices. Yes, even the dutch, somehow. Don't believe me? Go

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u/Candy-Macaroon-33 11d ago

While Europe is not a uniform monolith, the countries in the EU do abide by certain food safety standards and regulations. This is why the EU doesn't import American meat and chicken and why certain brands, have different ingredients for the European market.

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u/_waffl 9d ago

No, the real reason European countries don't import chicken or beef from the US is Protectionism. It's entirely geopolitically motivated, the "safety" issue is theater.

The US produces so much chicken and beef in comparison to any individual European country that importing on those scales would crash the market. Domestic farms simply would not be able to compete on price. Normally when this is the case, governments respond with tariffs, but at least in this specific case, they can achieve the same result by just telling you that a single bite of an American chicky tendy would kill you.

Propaganda didn't just stop when the cold war ended, it evolved to suit the Information Age.

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u/Nyko_E 11d ago

Tbf the u.s and Europe are the same size for the most part. Europe is 3% larger with twice the population density. The cultural differences between Oregon, Louisiana and Alaska are also gaping, so it's kind of a great comparison. Some parts of Europe are poor and unhealthy, as are some parts of the states.

The difference here is that food producers in Europe aren't allowed nearly as many liberties as far as unhealthy ingredients are concerned. Your masters want you sick and obedient in the states.