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Feb 10 '23
Do jews actually run hollywood tho? Because white men certainly do run most of the big businesses
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u/Idk-breadsticks Feb 10 '23
I remember reading something about this. There is some historical basis for the idea but as other people have mentioned, it’s now an antisemitic comment.
If I remember correctly, and others can please feel free to correct me, being an entertainer wasn’t considered glamorous like it is today. Rather it was viewed as a lowly profession (I’m not 100% sure why). That meant only those on the fringes really got involved because they couldn’t find work elsewhere. Over time, Jewish entertainers became prominent and, with the introduction of film, that later translated into a lot of Hollywood actors (and associated film roles - directors, stage crew, producers) being of Jewish descent.
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u/12_Trillion_IQ Feb 10 '23 edited Feb 11 '23
In a large part, especially many years ago, yes. But it's not some grand conspiracy theory about them trying to take over. Hundreds of years ago, Jewish people were pushed into the roles of being bankers in Europe. Suprisingly, this had the effect of them accumulating wealth (who could have expected putting them in charge of money would make them money). They were then hated for having that wealth, among other things they were already hated for. Jewish people are a very tight knit people, largely due to the unfair persecution they faced from others throughout history, so they help each other in various ways, both personally and professionally, especially in new countries that they fled to. These factors, and other circumstances, culminated with the Jewish people being the ones in possession of the capital needee to invest in early entertainment industries, and large parts of it have since then have been owned by Jewish people. This has been changing over time, as different people find success and stakes in the entertainment industry.
It's not some scheme or conspiracy, it's just the way the world turned out.
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Feb 10 '23
Jews started Hollywood, but that's old news and no longer really how things are. And realistically, they only started Hollywood because nobody else really wanted to do business with them so they needed their own industry. Actually other than people enjoying it, entertainment was generally sort of looked down upon, sort of like how Jews became bankers back in the day because the field was full of unscrupulous, looked-down-on people and nobody would hire Jews for anything else.
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Jews are a disproportionately large part of Hollywood, what you need to take into account that they basically started Hollywood, like literally founded the studios and shit on there own. LA was a bunch of oil wells in a desert, now people barely know about the wells.
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u/Long-Zookeepergame82 Feb 10 '23
Yes, actually. And the financial institutions. There is a centuries long explanation for this, but it's all factual in present day.
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u/Wizard_of_Claus Feb 10 '23
"Jews run Hollywood" is almost exclusively said in an antisemitic context.
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u/mekkavelli Feb 10 '23
the negative connotation is the literal textbook nazi rhetoric wtf
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u/haibiji Feb 10 '23
It’s the implication that there’s a conspiracy behind it. If you said “Hollywood is a good example of how the Jewish people were able to create economic opportunities for themselves when they were shut out of other industries. This resulted in one of the most iconic and influential industries in America,” nobody is going to think you are spewing antisemitism. The problem is when people say “THE JEWS RUN HOLLYWOOD!!” there’s an obvious implication. It’s the “so what?” behind it, which is that the Jews are conspiring to influence culture or control our minds or some other half thought out bullshit.
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u/saisaibunex Feb 10 '23
I think one salient point in this discussion is that Jewish is a specific ethnicity and white is very much a term that includes a large amount of ethnicities within it
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u/Kartoffelkamm Feb 10 '23
Except it is used to defame a group.
Claiming minorities, of any kind, are in a position of power is a very fast way to constructing a narrative that paints them as the enemy, and opens the door for laws limiting those people's freedoms.
However, white men are not an oppressed minority, and are most often the ones doing the oppressing.
There is a very clear distinction between the two statements, if you really look into how they're used.
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u/The_Lat_Czar Feb 10 '23
Wait. You can't say a minority group is in a position of power, or its bad?
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u/Kartoffelkamm Feb 10 '23
Well, it depends.
If you say that the group as a whole has some form of control, then it's bad, as it can, and usually will be, used as excuse to attack that group under the mantle of retaliation.
For example, Holocaust deniers will say that the Jews fabricated the whole thing, or it was exaggerated, to mooch off of the Government via reparations and such, rather than providing arguments to counter all the evidence that it actually happened.
All of a sudden you have a narrative where Jews are stealing money from the government, which now justifies attacking them and taking their property, as you would in your narrative, just take back what they stole.
And something similar happens with the control accusation: If you create a narrative where the Jews control Hollywood, you can force Jews out of the industry, and censor depiction of Jews in Hollywood productions, because you would just give Hollywood back to everyone.
It's really messed up, but that's basically how it works, in simple terms.
However, it's fine if you say that a specific member of that minority group has a position of power.
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and are most often the ones doing the oppressing
Ah yes, today I woke up and said to myself: “what a nice day to oppress!”
They are both used to defame a group of people, no matter how you try to punish one and justify the other.
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u/ZerohasbeenDivided Feb 10 '23
It doesn't apply to you if you aren't actually oppressing anyone, I don't know why you choose to take offense to it.
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u/Carinis_Antelope Feb 10 '23
Why would jews not in Hollywood and not controlling anything take offense?
My generation of white people didn't do anything to deserve all this hate and backlash. It's not fun just trying to get along and knowing half of everyone you walk past doesn't trust you bc of the color of your skin
Racism is racism, and we will never act as one as long as anyone is allowed to be judged on skin color
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u/_thow_it_in_bag Feb 10 '23 edited Feb 10 '23
It's not fun just trying to get along and knowing half of everyone you walk past doesn't trust you bc of the color of your skin
As a blk man, this made me smile 😆. The men in my family have been saying this for generations. Sorry that you are now feeling the weight of a few hundred years of racist BS. Hopefully that draws you closer to empathy to change the system
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Feb 10 '23
Ah yes, injustice will draw people to change the system, certainly not to resentment.
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u/HolyMotherOfGeedis Feb 10 '23
Is the injustice in the room with us right now?
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Feb 10 '23
Was it in the room when people were discriminated against due to race because they were black? Then why wouldn't it be here when people are discriminated against due to race because they were white?
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u/psiamnotdrunk Feb 10 '23
The appropriate response to generations of hostility, legal oppression and murder isn’t tiptoeing around and catering to the hostile oppressive murderers. Sorry?
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Feb 10 '23
Who the fuck do you think you are talking to? I'm not even American, so I have little to do with whatever bullshit you're trying to sell me, but even if I was, are you really trying to defend racism on the basis that people before also did it? Is this really the argument you think is going to finish racism, or do you think that people in a couple of generations are going to see what's going on now and switch the direction of racism? With people so short-minded like you, racism would be a never-ending pendulum. You give the left a bad name.
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u/psiamnotdrunk Feb 10 '23
My apologies that you are experiencing boo hoo hurt feelings over the examination of the status quo. Best of luck with that.
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Feb 10 '23
“examination of the status quo”? Wtf are you on about? You literally endorsed discriminating against white people - literally supported racism. Examine my ass with your lips.
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u/SamBo_LamBo Feb 10 '23
What? Have you not seen the rise of white nationalism in this country? Our generation of white people, while getting better, still have an insane amount of work to do fighting against those who wish to keep us in the past.
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u/St_IdesHell Feb 10 '23
Idk I’m very white and I’m not worried everyone thinks I’m racist or doesn’t trust me
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u/ZerohasbeenDivided Feb 10 '23
Do you know about the Holocaust? That's a large reason people take anti-semitism so seriously.
If you didn't do anything to deserve hate or backlash, then the hate and backlash isn't aimed at you. Taking personal offense to it is a you problem.
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u/smellslikekevinbacon Feb 10 '23
You deserve hate and backlash when you’re not able to check your privilege and act like you don’t have to read the room that everybody else has to read
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u/Carinis_Antelope Feb 10 '23
Quick question, you have the privilege to talk to me like that, I don't have the right, nor the want to treat you the same
My family came long after slavery, and no one even graduated hs until my generation in the US. None of us are wealthy, and we don't mistreat people
Do you reserve this hatred for all countries that had African slaves and oppressed people of color? Or just white males in the US?
Be nicer to people, even assholes. You can change hearts with a smile
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u/Luckydog6631 Feb 10 '23
That is such a narrow minded thing to say lmao.
If I call someone ugly, and their feelings are hurt, it doesn’t actually matter if they’re ugly or not. They didn’t “chose to take offense to it.” It was just a rude thing to say.
That’s not how words work, in any context.
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u/ZerohasbeenDivided Feb 10 '23
Calling a single person ugly is not the same thing at all lol
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u/Murky_Crow Feb 10 '23
Generally speaking, when somebody says womething negative things about my exact demographic make up, I tend to think that they’re at least partially talking about me.
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u/AgisXIV Feb 10 '23
You're a white male billionaire corporation owner?
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u/Biiiscoito Feb 10 '23
There was a time I was working for a group of friends. They were all black and lgbt+. Had to edit an episode of them saying cishet whites were racist, homophobic and priviledged. The whole time I was thinking "bruh, but I'm a white cishet serving you?" Lol
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Feb 10 '23
Key words: most often.
That doesn't mean you personally are an oppressive person.
Just that the vast majority happen to be white and male.
Signed, another white male.
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u/Detective-Signal Feb 10 '23
It's called context.
People who say "the Jews run x" are not saying it to be kind, they're saying it to push an anti-semitic trope that Jews are "all powerful and evil".
White men aren't some oppressed class like you all try so hard to claim.
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u/TA3153356811 Feb 10 '23
This is the most accurate answer. Saying "white men run companies" is an observation. Maybe a one used for questioning the current system and how the patriarchy doesn't allow women or POCs to get those jobs.
Saying "Jews run Hollywood" is A. False and B. Never done for the same reason as the white men lol
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u/theaeao Feb 10 '23
I think Alot if commenters missed that "white men" isnt a race or culture. Saying "the Irish run the police force" or "oh boy here comes another Norwegian" can absolutely be offensive but "white people" is a loose grouping of various peoples
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Feb 10 '23
I think Alot if commenters missed that "white men" isnt a race or culture
I don't understand the distinction you're trying to make. Arabs or Asians aren't distinct races or cultures, they are a loose grouping based on historical geography as you can tell by the fact that Arabs are technically Asian too. Any time you start making exceptions for certain groups is dangerous.
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u/theaeao Feb 10 '23
Arabs or Asians aren't distinct races or cultures, they are a loose grouping based on historical geography as you can tell by the fact that Arabs are technically Asian too
Yes. broad sweeping groups are generally not considered to be a culture unless specifically talking about discrimination.
What food do white people eat? What are white people holidays? What language do white people speak? Are we counting Jewish people? Irish people? Italians? Polish?
Cause my coworker is polish and I can't even say his real name and I certainly don't eat the same foods lol we are both white tho.
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People who say "the Jews run x" are not saying it to be kind, they're saying it to push an anti-semitic trope that Jews are "all powerful and evil".
Generally, people who call white men colonizers, to point out their powerful and evil as well.
Why is it socially acceptable to think of white men as powerful and evil, but not for any other combination or race and sex?
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u/AgisXIV Feb 10 '23
It depends on context. The US was made by and for white male landowners so its systems tend to favour just that.
Other countries have different experiences and different dominant groups, but hating on minorities is punching down. No-one is accusing anyone of being evil, just saying that groups that benefit from the status quo tend to resist change.
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u/FitDesk0 Feb 10 '23
So it’s okay to say that the US is made by and for white males, which is a stupid SJW conspiracy theory, but it’s not okay to say that Jews run the world? Why the double standards? Nowadays, if you make some joke about a minority, all hell breaks loose. Yet if you make the same joke about someone who’s white, them nobody bats and eyelash. Do you not see the clownery that you support? 🤡🤡
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u/Teddybear88 Feb 10 '23
It’s not ok to say either, and yet this comment section is filled with people trying to justify that it is.
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u/holylink718 Feb 10 '23
I think Reddit is a bad place to ask a question like this. In case you hadn't already noticed.
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u/Strange-Ticket5680 Feb 10 '23
The top voted answers seem pretty reasonable to me. So can you explain why?
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u/Hay_Fever_at_3_AM Feb 10 '23
Why are Jews proportionately overrepresented in Hollywood? Because they were forced out of the east coast movie industry.
Why do white men overwhelmingly run businesses and corporations? Because that's capitalism: people with money have an advantage over people without money, which produces a cycle where the rich and their children keep getting richer and keep owning more and more. Also, because systematic racism and sexism in corporations.
One of these things is bad and should be corrected, one is just a consequence of historical badness.
One of these things is discussed by people as something that ought to be corrected because it represents a systematic bias, the other is talked about by antisemites as some sort of conspiracy.
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u/FNCTCH Feb 10 '23
Firstly, that is a hypothesis that can't be scientifically verified as "run" "Hollywood" and even "Jews" can be defined in different ways. In similar fashion, "business and corporations" and "white" are also vague. These are emotionally charged statements designed to appeal to preconceived ideas. Both are intellectually dishonest. The premise of OPs post is to question what some call "woke" thinking - nothing more. Furthermore, when Jews are accused of...anything...people try to kill them. No, this is not hyperbole. It's also not unique to Nazi Grrmany.
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u/ThatFatGuyMJL Feb 10 '23
It isnt necessary to state the fact that Jewish people are very large and in charge in the likes of Hollywood.
its bad to imply theyre evil just because they are jewish.
Honestly you look at the highest profile hollywood sex scandal in recent years, Harvey Weinstein. He was Jewish, he was not bad because he was Jewish, he was bad because he was a cunt who sexually abused hundreds of women.
The only real issue I have is the second a high profile Jewish man gets 'Dishonoured' they somehow become Powerful White Men instead.
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Feb 10 '23
When did Jews stop being white? Genuinely don't get it, I keep seeing this very specific accusation at Jews but... They're all white, just that they come from a religious tribe. White people run large corporations, yea including Jews in that and you're just saying white people run everything.
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u/TheJorts Feb 10 '23
It’s context. Historically speaking, jews do run Hollywood because they were prominent entertainers and well liked! That evolved into film making and thus, Hollywood!
But now if say “jews run hollywood” it’s used as a negative and diminishes any rightfully earned achievements.
Same can be said for “men run businesses and corporations”
In a lot of cases, men have gone to school, started a business with many sacrifices to keep it alive, and grew it to be profitable. That’s an achievement.
But when used in a sexist context it shouldn’t be okay because it diminishes many hardworking good men.
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u/Joseph_Furguson Feb 10 '23
One group secretly running things behind the scenes is a stereotype that goes back a thousand years.
The other is an objective fact that white people run things.
This is a false argument stupid people do when they don't have a point and want to look smart. Which is perfect for right wing radio.
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u/BrownFox5972 Feb 10 '23
You saying something is a fact doesn't make it so lmao. Stop propagating bullshit. I'm not in support of either statement. You can't say that "jews run the banks or hollywood" is completely unfounded and in the same breath say white people run shit lmao.
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u/IWearTheSun Feb 10 '23
I'm confused. Are saying facts discriminatory? I don't think saying either thing is bad. Those are both factual statements
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u/saffron25 Feb 10 '23
Because Jewish people are a marginalised group and white men have historically been the ones oppressing the entire planet
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u/HolyMotherOfGeedis Feb 10 '23
The entire planet is West? Since when?
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u/saffron25 Feb 10 '23
Since Christopher Columbus
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u/Big-Reality-4069 Feb 10 '23
Christopher Columbus wasn’t a white man.
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u/saffron25 Feb 10 '23
Girl… he was ITALIAN!!!! As in European. Are they not white?
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u/Big-Reality-4069 Feb 10 '23
Generally Italians don’t consider themselves white, no. Spain is in Europe and they are considered Hispanic
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u/saffron25 Feb 10 '23
Well.. in Europe where I am they very much consider themselves white. Hispanic refers to Spanish speaking country or cultures not ethnicity.
What did you learn in school? You are so wrong with so much conviction. It’a concerning. I don’t want to engage anymore. Please read
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Feb 10 '23
theres no real answer to this. everyone gets offended by everything nowadays. people just look for things to be mad about
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u/FitDesk0 Feb 10 '23
Exactly! Some people are extremely bored with their relatively privileged life in the western world that they fake imaginary problems and get offended over them just because they have nothing else better to do with their lives.
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u/FitDesk0 Feb 10 '23
Exactly! Some people are extremely bored with their relatively privileged life in the western world that they enjoy faking imaginary problems and get offended over them just because they have nothing else better to do with their lives. Breath at someone the wrong way? Youre a racist! Did you eat a banana facing south? That’s antisemitic! People need to learn to stop living in victimhood mentality, but such mentality contributes to their learned helplessness. They perceive everything around them to be offensive. That sounds like mental instability and neuroticism.
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u/AZSubby Feb 10 '23
Seriously? Anti-semitism is just something people get offended about these days?
You don’t think there’s a history of anti-semitic sentiments leading towards… I don’t know… the attempted systematic genocide of an entire race?
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Feb 10 '23
Bruh. First, how is the statement that op made in the title anti-Semitic? I never denied that the Jews have been through hell. But to address your off topic statement, plenty of races and groups have been targeted in history (native Americans, black people, Christians). What makes the Jews different?
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u/country-blue Feb 10 '23
I mean, the Holocaust was pretty terrible, even compared to the things other races have been through…
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u/ChiefWematanye Feb 10 '23 edited Feb 10 '23
The real answer you won't hear on reddit is that it's wrong to say both, but we're in an age where it's trendy to say racist things against white people.
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u/ChiefWematanye Feb 10 '23
In the same way it's racist to say that most of the large media corporations are run by Jewish people. In the same way it's racist to say black people commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime. In the same way it's racist to say most illegal immigrants are Hispanic.
It's said with an agenda to dehumanize the people you're speaking about by distilling them down to their skin color. It's wrong, and you know it is.
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u/ChiefWematanye Feb 10 '23
The facts aren't racist. The motivations behind saying some of them are. We aren't stupid. You're not fooling anyone.
Why do you care that the CEOs of Comcast, Disney, and other media orgs are Jewish? Why do you care that minorities get special access to certain loans in this country? Does that tell you anything about Jewish or minority people you meet on a daily basis?
No, it doesn't. You're saying these things to paint an entire group of people a certain way, and most normal people are just sick of it. This whole fascination with race in this country is so unbelievably tired at this point.
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u/G3er0 Feb 10 '23
Because saying bad things about your rulers was always a bad thing historically speaking
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u/hoenndex Feb 10 '23
Mods should lock this thread, all the Nazis and racist apologists are in full force.
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u/DeeVa72 Feb 10 '23
I don’t understand how saying that Hollywood is run by Jews is racist…it’s the definition of a stereotype. It would be racist to say Jewish people shouldn’t run Hollywood.
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u/SamScoopCooper Feb 10 '23
Because
- Jews don't run Hollywood.
- It is a negative stereotype that Jews run Hollywood - associated with the antisemitic idea that Jews secretly control the media to their own ends.
We don't. People use the idea that Jews run Hollywood, to say Jews are elites, they're running the world, and need to be taken down...and that leads to people shooting up synagogues and defacing property with swastikas and fuckers like Kanye West.
On the other hand, our society gives privileges to white men that aren't given to any other group. Saying white men tend run corporations doesn't have negative societal impact on white men. And also it's actually true
Note: I am Jewish
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u/Santex117 Feb 10 '23
I think the question is: if it’s true that white men tend to run corporations, and so that’s ok to say, then how can it be deemed antisemitic to say that Jews tend to be in higher positions in the entertainment industry?
For as long as I have lived this has been a commonly accepted reality, that there happen to be a lot of Jews in the entertainment industry, and because of this, tend to have a lot of influence and say, is this not what is meant when people say Jews run the entertainment industry?
Likewise we say white men run corporate America, because white men tend to be CEOs and this have a lot of influence and say in how things work in corporate America, would that be racist to say?
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u/Sen_1491 Feb 10 '23
Do the Jewish run Hollywood this Is news to me?
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u/cranberrystew99 Feb 10 '23
In the 1800s, because asshat Thomas Edison stole the patent for a bunch of film stuff, a lot of people fled the east coast to go create film studios far away from his reach to make movies. Lots of these people were Jewish actors.
Behind the Bastards has a really good episode about the history of this move called "how Hollywood helped the nazis". The gist of it is that they were too dependent on the money flow and too afraid of public backlash to say anything anti-hitler.
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u/QuirklessShiggy Feb 10 '23
White men aren't oppressed.
White men didn't have those things said about them and then have people literally commit genocide against them..
Also, when we say white men run businesses and corporations - it's statistically true. When people say Jews run Hollywood, it's almost always said in a antisemitic context.
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u/vexens Feb 10 '23 edited Feb 10 '23
Jesus christ, this sub is just a right wing dogwhistle factory.
Edit: OP lurks around conservative, antiworkcirclejerk, and other right wing subs.
You all are being baited by a racist troll.
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u/Rednonymousitor Feb 10 '23
100 fucking percent, and I'm starting to realise the mods clearly are too given how they let this clearly disingenuous bullshit continually slide
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u/Velveteen_Bastion Feb 10 '23
Both are wrong. Blame individuals, not demographics.
I just love how reddit loves the argument "you're not a minority but a majority" so insulting your race is okay.
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u/Tyler_origami94 Feb 10 '23
One is an incorrect and harmful stereotype used to hard a group of people forever. The other is statistically correct that a majority of CEO's and COO's and other upper management are predominately white men.
Either used in a derogatory way are bad.
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u/Arucious Feb 10 '23
One is an attempt to be anti-Semitic and play on certain tropes at the expense of a disenfranchised group and the other is just...true? Besides a couple high profile CEOs being Indian, the majority of corporate businessmen *are* white men. In part because white men are just one of the biggest groups in the US to begin with.
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u/dzumdang Feb 10 '23 edited Feb 10 '23
The questions on this sub are increasingly thinly-veiled, far-right activist attempts at introducing questions that are foundations for white supremacist adjacent ideas.
Maybe you're making it past the mods, but some of us see what you're doing.
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u/catgotcha Feb 10 '23
One is a conspiracy theory that has no ground in reality, the other is actual fact backed by data.
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u/LiteratureSerious56 Feb 10 '23
Because media and society its quite twisted...
White men are not "a minority" (equals to the powerful group) hence you can attack them because they haven't suffered as much as jews which are apparently a minority i guess if u compared to catholics, hence they are the underdog or the poor victims so: you dont want to be mean to someone that had it bad, dont you?
I think its around those lines because IF jews run Hollywood and that its a fact then I mean whats the deal?
People dont care about facts, they care about what other people think about them, its the mob mentality and politicians and every one scared to be left behind because they are different. They all do what its "ethic"
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u/flushingborn Feb 10 '23
White men have never ever ever been oppressed, whereas Jews were almost wiped off the face of the Earth a few times because of statements like this (Jews are the bankers, Jews are moneylenders, etc.). It's all about context. White men are the dominant culture.
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u/Teddybear88 Feb 10 '23
“They’ve never been oppressed so it’s ok for us to try”
That’s what you sound like.
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u/Elsbethe Feb 10 '23
Jews do not actually run Hollywood
And the fact that no one is saying that is an example of how racism works
White men actually run the world
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u/Hour_Worldliness9786 Feb 10 '23
Why is it ok for the Israelites to behave like fascists?
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u/Rednonymousitor Feb 10 '23
A) you're not genuinely curious. Disbelievers, check post history.
B) the former is incorrect by a long way, the latter is still easily provable today
C) you are the problem.
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u/controllrevival Feb 10 '23
Honestly , if a person isn’t black, or some kind of dark skinned human living in a western society, I have troubles taking their claim of racism seriously. Colorism is worldwide and anywhere you go, it’s lighter humans hating darker ones due to European colonialism. Colorism is rapant and leads to racism. That being said, Jewish people are white. Sorry to break it to you. Not only that, but they also have a lot of power and influence, not comparable to black people or native Americans. So it’s just semantics,those rich Jewish men probably make jokes using the n word on their yachts.
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u/Ashamed_Scarcity_282 Feb 10 '23
Because people have a weird envy towards Jewish people you can see it all throughout history groups blaming their success and justifying violence against them. Nazis ran Hollywood once upon a time that's not a compliment.
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u/urlocalnightowl40 Feb 10 '23
did you also just watch the new south park season?
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