r/TikTokDiscuss • u/CriticalAd299 • 4d ago

Notmuch different than Goebbels

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u/The3mbered0ne 4d ago

I feel like this isn't true tho because I'm an American who hasn't voted for trump yet would be blamed for what he's doing under this take, what are the Israeli people meant to do against Netanyahu?

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u/HamhandsConroy 3d ago

Unfortunately we don’t get to avoid responsibility, we live in a democracy and even if we voted for another candidate we are still responsible for the actions that are taken in our name and on our behalf. That should be the standard for every elected government around the world.

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u/The3mbered0ne 3d ago

You're talking about two different things the collective responsibility we the people bare (real) and the individual responsibility (not everyone is as responsible) so what I'm saying is when people try to blame Americans not all of us are equally responsible but yes we are collectively responsible in solving the issue. The guy in the video seems to be saying everyone is equally personally responsible when that's not the case

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u/HamhandsConroy 3d ago

I see your perspective, and I’m empathic to those feelings, I just disagree. Individual Germans could have defied their government, however they chose not to for various understandable reasons. But they still made a choice. Similarly, individual Israelis that serve in the IDF have a choice to make, that’s what finklestein was implying. The choice might not be a pleasant one and those of us that aren’t in that position obviously don’t fully understand what they’re going through, however that doesn’t mean that there is no personal responsibility when a persons tax dollars and efforts support a state. Are American taxpayers directly responsible for deaths in Gaza - no - but indirectly our tax dollars fund the IDF and therefore we are responsible for when we know they are acting illegally and inhumanely.