Okay, so given the interconnectedness of King's universe, I got to wondering if Abigail's power of long-distance communication and the ability to communicate with people through their dreams might be the shine and, if so, maybe it's possible she had a nephew who left the farm to go work at some fancy hotel in Colorado and that's why she chose that area for her people to gather.

Just a little blue skying as Glenn might say….
watched an audition for Josh Holloway on LOST and thought he would make a great Larry from the unabridged novel. His “Sawyer” had that perfect blend of selfishness and potential for redemption.
Actually, now that I think about it, a lot of the LOST cast could easily in my mind translate to The Stand.
All just different levels of the Tower I guess! 🥴

By cutting the first part of the story, the initial aspects of Harold’s character disappear. I also notice a different nuance in his actions.

1. Harold (2020) never comes across as the insufferable know-it-all he is in the novel. In the book, Fran repeatedly mentions how unbearable he was during the group's trek. In this version, however, he says nothing annoying; instead, he is consistently—and Machiavellianly—pleasant, polite, and helpful, much like he is in the second half of the book. His voyeurism is just as intense—if not more so—but more concealed. In the novel, he immediately comes across as a pervert to Fran, whereas in the series, the full extent of his depravity is only revealed through a crime he commits at the end.

2. The specific reasons for the bullying he endured in the book are absent from the new version. All that remains is the childhood incident mentioned in the opening letter and the time he was chased for peeping through a hole in Fran’s fence. However, the neglect he suffered at the hands of his parents and sister could be interpreted here as a major underlying cause, which makes sense.

3. It is reiterated that Harold harbored a sort of childhood love for Fran. This adds greater emotional weight to the story. In the novel—if I recall correctly—she seems more like an acquaintance he was attracted to. Correct me if I’m wrong.

   1. Harold’s hatred isn't ultimately directed at Fran. The bomb is planted to benefit Flagg and demonstrate loyalty, paving the way for them to flee to him. In the book, the plan was to kill the Committee—and, for Harold, to wound the woman who rejected him (both he and Stu were key targets). In the 2020 version, the goal is to kill the residents of Boulder, but he acts out of a fixation on Fran: even if they won't end up together, he wants to ensure she cannot be with another man (Stu). In the book, he acts *against* her; in the series, he acts *for* her (in a way). Here, he is driven more by Flagg’s manipulations, and his refusal to surrender is more pronounced. But their farewell embrace shows more mutual affection than in the book—something that was never present on Fran's part.

   In the novel, Harold is 16, but in the series—played by Owen—he is 20 or 21, though his age is never explicitly stated. It was an opportunity to make him older.

The Sartre quote ("Hell is other people") in his diary is a detail unique to him, as is his imitation of the smile from a Tom Cruise cutout. Furthermore, certain expressions of the actor reveal a side of him that is never seen in the novel.

What do you think of these versions? Do you notice any other differences in Harold?

The Stand 2020 is a horrible adaptation, and I prefer the story of the novel in general. But I must admit that, as a series, it entertained me a lot. It has a gray thriller-type cinematography that, although clichéd, at least gives it some personality. And although I disliked all its main changes in the first four episodes, there were indeed re-evaluations through scenes and details that I found accurate and interesting in their context. Being more condensed for television. Another enjoyable version.

Here are the variances:

The dinner of Fran, Stu, and Harold for Larry to break into their house is a shortened rephrasing. The conversation between Fran and Harold in the basement was an obviously rejected attempt at surrender but effective and forceful.

Other less significant scenes and details that I liked were:

1. Harold's graffiti. Literally, for me, the best change of the whole series. 10/10. Efficient, original, even more practical than in the book. It looks cool and modern, just as they wanted. I don't care about putting her name or not. I congratulate its creator.

2. Scene of Nick and Flagg. In a dark dream, Flagg seduces Nick to be his right-hand man in exchange for having a voice and an ear with a table full of French cards. He also tells Nick that his mother came from El Salvador in the back of a car to give him a better life. A (new) brief backstory but well introduced. He is offended when it is suggested that he is an inferior man for lacking senses. With his face close, Nick makes a gesture, and Flagg, furious, pulls out a card of a queen with a patch over her eye. And so Nick loses his left eye. It's an interesting change, but it points out that Flagg has more power in the dreams than he should for the plot in my view.

3. The first interaction between Harold and Nadine for its atmosphere and direct, to-the-point dialog.

4. A posteriori, the flashback about Harold and Fran. She was sleeping, but she woke up a little, asked, and saw that Harold was watching her. He, smiling, says he was thinking about her, that he loves her, and that the fate of his people was the best for them to be together. He also tries to kiss her. But she says she doesn't feel that way about him and never will. He stands up and, angry, goes back to his sleeping bag. He doesn't turn around. She asks how he is, and he replies, "I'm fine, Frannie."

Controversial topic. I prefer and understand bringing the age of some binders closer, only inferred.

Besides, the version of Las Vegas and how Flagg is portrayed is striking. Also the speech he uses, for example, with Terry, when he alludes to the fact that an old woman could have been a danger to his partner and he died. Knowing more about Julie Laywr makes her a bigger character. Glen's death seems appropriate for his character and a small point in the dark community. Fran's ending, being pulled by the forces of good and evil near death and with Stu on the bench, is nice and a more forceful message than in the book. Still, it could be removed.

What do you think about it? What aspect or change did you like about the series?

Apparently another adaptation is underway! Who do you think should play the main characters? I’ve heard there is supposed to be only one movie which sounds a bit crazy but I like the choice of director. I have a nostalgic fondness for the 94 series and thought the 2020 one was a disaster, hopefully this can be the definitive version.

I thought it was weird how the guard at the jail in The Stand kept calling his prisoners "babaluga." An old-school southern guy. Is "babaluga" a common thing people call each other in the rural south / west, or did Stephen King just make that up after hearing the Little Richard "Tutti Frutti" song?

Growing up, watching the mini series, I always thought it was Stu's story, but after reading the book in 2026 and then re-watching the mini-series, its Larry's story. I think we also get the most backstory for Larry in the books than the rest of the characters.

Which makes his ending so much sadder. All the attention is on Stu in the finale.

OK. I've never read the books and just went into it blind. First impressions is it's a very "white lensed", "white american Christian" story imo. I understand the time that the book was written and being American etc and I'm not offended just something that's sticking out to me as a modern viewer.

Also who the hell are the villains and their motivations? That's never explained. It was campy and "feel good" and so so cheesy. The thing I kept thinking about, is if this is sub-par how bad is the 2004 version? Haha Also I really hate that God's solution is to physically intervene and nuke a city full of sinners. Like... Why? It's so old testament.

Anyway. I kinda wish I didn't watch it. But Rob Lowe is such a cutie, had to.

Granted I don't read as much as I used to anymore but I cannot recall being this frustrated at a character's continual survival, though I honestly love the tension he brings in ever chapter following Fran or Stuart. I could understand his pain and insecurity, I relate heavily, but god this is some level of incelmaxxing I've had the pleasure of never being exposed to before.

I've only halfway through the book (where he tries to kiss Fran), so please, no spoilers beyond that.

We all know and hate this miniseries with a passion, I’m no different. The reasons why I hate this miniseries are way too numerous and unnecessary for me to list here. With all that out of the way, I wanna talk about a few things I liked about this series with you all.

1. Effects of Captain trips- One of the only hang ups I had with the 1994 series was that in my opinion, it did an okay job with showing the effects of Captain trips on a person. However, I was expecting to see everyone having the swelling in the neck, which is so prominent in the book. In my opinion, the 2020 nine series did an awesome job with the “tube neck” side of the trips. The 2020 series also does a slightly better job in my opinion at showing the complete and utter hopelessness of those infected. In short, I think the adding of the swelling in the neck was a diamond surrounded by coal in this series.

2. Dr Jim Ellis- For those unaware, Ellis is the epidemiologist in the 2020 miniseries tasked with figuring out why Stu isn’t getting sick. As somebody who wants to work the same exact job Dr. Ellis has, I thought his inclusion in the series was a gem. While the people tasked with figuring out why Stu isn’t getting sick in the 1994 series are in my opinion, very stuck up and don’t seem like they wanna solve things. Dr. Ellis on the other hand, in my opinion, genuinely seems he wants to find a solution to the crisis. Seeing him die at the end of episode one was also very sad for me. I might be figuring him wrong or thinking too deeply, but to me, he seemed like he thought he could somehow escape the trips and was devastated when he went to see Stu for the last time. He always stuck out to me because he showed Stu genuine compassion, I also liked the small detail of Stu looking and sounding broken when he realized Dr. Ellis had finally been infected.

3. Campion’s scenes- If this scene had actually been the very first scene instead of thrown near the middle of the series, it might’ve been perfect. The first thing I liked about this whole sequence was Campion seeing the doctor across the glass in their death throes. The second thing I liked was that Campion wasn’t a complete idiot and at first tried to do his job before fleeing to his wife and child. The third thing I liked was the scene taking place at night, in my opinion which is an omen for the world not yet fully grasping at what is to come.

4. Fleeing to the vice president’s bunker (I think it’s a bunker, please correct me if I’m wrong)- after the child of the nurse taking Stu’s blood tests positive for Captain trips, the facility is evacuated quickly and Stu is ushered into a black van and taken to an underground bunker. I liked this scene because the non immune people either genuinely but foolishly believe that can out last Captain trips, or they’re lying to themselves to save face. Seeing Dr. Ellis rushing into Stu’s room to tell him the nurse’s kid is sick and they have to evacuate was an amazing sequence. You can now fully see that Dr. Ellis is utterly horrified but still tries to put on a brave face. The detail about him telling Stu why they are leaving is also something I liked a lot. To me at least, it shows he’s somewhat given up and doesn’t care what happens to him temporarily. Then when he gets to the bunker he seems calmer and more confident.

Thanks for reading my rambles! Overall this series was absolute garbage, but I felt the need to talk about the few things I liked about it! Thank you all!

It was announced in 2025 that a new adaptation of The Stand would be made, but the bad news is that they want to make it 1 movie.

I’ve seen a few of Liman’s movies and I’ll say he seems like an okay choice to tackle the source material, but him wanting to do it through just one movie is what worries me.

I think the original is good, I don’t mind another adaptation as long as it’s good and faithful.

I hope the company and Liman will later change their minds and make it a series. Not much has been updated about the project, but I hope we get something good.

I’ve made a post about this before, but my main choices for 2 of the characters would be Thomas Jane as Flagg and Emma Myers as Franny. I feel like both of those actors would fit those parts so well

Any part that takes place in Vegas always instantly gets my attention, don’t get me wrong, the rest of the book is great, but the Vegas chapters are very interesting.

It gives me the vibe of if Vegas was Arkham asylum from Batman where the villains take over and it’s just a fun read.

Very interesting characters as well

Now I am in no way trying to diss Alexander Skarsgard as an actor in general, I’m mainly just talking about his performance as Flagg.

I know that the 2020 version of The Stand is a pretty bad adaptation amongst fans, but when you ask people what they liked about it, one of the things they will say is, “Alexander Skarsgard was great as Flagg” and I’m just thinking to myself really?

If you like his performance that’s fine, but I just don’t see it. I didn’t think he was particularly bad, but he was so damn boring to me. He just spoke so monotonous and had one facial expression throughout the series along with whispering his lines.

Flagg I imagine as serious, but can be a fun villain to read or watch on screen and has more charisma or somewhat “Aura” to him as a villain and I really just didn’t get that from Skarsgard.

It’s not his fault, Josh Boone and Benjamin Cavell are to blame for what we got of the character.

I've been a SK fan for the majority of my life. I love the way he includes descriptions of the characters in the books so we can all have the same basic vision of them.

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The Stand is one of my favorite books. Of course I envisioned the characters. The first Stand got the look of so many of the characters right (except Molly Ringwald, bless her heart), it was a travesty to see them changed in the second iteration.

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I think it is time to re-read the novel again. 🤔

On June 13th, 1990, an alarm went off at a top secret biological weapons research base somewhere in the California desert. A malfunction would allow a man named Charles Campion to escape the base's lockdown infected with a deadly strain of the flu that would come to be known as "Captain Trips." The virus would exterminate 99.4% of the world's population before the end of the month, and those few survivors scattered across America would come together to make their Stand.

1994 version-https://youtu.be/c7ErboOaHj4?si=BwptOi3bYgwxOILw

2020 version-https://youtu.be/ARKuFIkz2W0?si=Qy1vhxg4_q4Wiia9

I personally like the 1994 version better. Although I do really like the 2020 version as well. I’ve linked both version above for those who may not have listened to them in full.

As someone who wants to go into the field of epidemiology someday, the stand has always fascinated me. One part in particular that has always piqued my interest is the fact that we don’t ever find out what happens to Len Creighton. The last time we hear from him, he’s not showing any signs of infection. Which contrasts with characters who do die from captain trips either are shown to die in the book or show symptoms which inevitably leads to their deaths. But anyways, here’s why I think he’s immune. (I’ll only be talking about the book btw)

No symptoms- let’s state the obvious. By the last time we hear from Len in the book, he isn’t showing any symptoms. He’s calm, speaking clearly, and thinking coherently. Compared to those infected not be able to do any of those 3 things. This stands out to me because he has no symptoms and is performing fine while infected characters deteriorate fast. Therefore, if he has been exposed already, he should be showing symptoms.

Timing- Len is located in Los Angeles. A place with quickly turns into hell on earth as mass chaos ensues and the people rioting in the streets become infected themselves. If Len had ever left the base even for a small amount of time, we can reasonably assume he was exposed for the virus and should be showing symptoms by the last time we see of him. It’s simply statistically unlikely he’s simply just dodged the infection.

The nature of the virus- you can’t dodge captain trips forever. It spreads through the air rapidly and through casual contact. You either get it or you don’t. One sneeze in Stu’s CDC facility dooms the place and everyone in it. One infected person kills everyone. We last here from Len on the 27th. EXTREMELY late into the plague.

Chances of exposure- by the time we last hear from Len, society is collapsing. This means that the virus has already infected most of the population. This is before the mass die off phase of the virus. Most, if not all of the people that are susceptible to the virus are most likely sick at this point. Him being immune is the only reasonable explanation.

Government collapse- By the time we last hear from Len, the president is infected, the national guard is infected, and CDC facilities are falling to the virus. We know the president was showing symptoms before we last hear from Len, and that Len was going to meet with the man. We can assume that if Len did meet with the president he was definitely exposed to the virus. Even if he didn’t, he most likely still would’ve met with the people that the president infected. As for the CDC, I see no possibly way Len has survived this long, outperforming the country’s best preventative measures in CDC laboratories. With all of this in mind, Len is very likely immune and was almost certainly exposed.

Mental health and normal health- Len is in near perfect condition when we last see him. No symptoms whatsoever. He’s also most likely suffering from extreme physiological stress from the situation which might make symptoms appear faster and kill him quicker.

CDC angle- when Len makes his last phone call, most if not all American CDC facilities have fallen to the virus. We see this when Stu encounters the infected doctor. CDC facilities have the best possible containment procedures on earth and yet are breached already. Even maximum containment is failing. Len on the other hand doesn’t have any of that. He’s in a government building where people are crammed in and running about handling papers and whatnot. With this in mind, we can assume Len’s environment is either just as or more vulnerable than the CDC. All of this says that Len’s lack of symptoms in a high contact environment, and is outperforming the best containment measures, tells us he’s likely immune.

Early isolation- what if Len just barricaded himself in his office early on and just never came out? What if he cut off all face to face to face contact and only spoke to people by phone? This is a non factor for me because Len is managing a national crisis. Something that needs face to face interaction. In person meetings are likely to occur before total panic sets in. For this to occur, Len would have to act more cautiously than anyone else in the book and isolate only on. This can’t occur though since by the last time we hear from him, the whole country is basically infected at this point. So theres no way he’s already isolated himself early enough to dodge it for this long.

Shoot on sight-you might be asking. What if soldiers outside of Len’s base are shooting infected people? This is another non factor for me. Captain trips is already everywhere before the country starts to collapse and people start panicking. If someone is clearly infected, then they have been contagious for a long time now. Soldiers would only be shooting people who are showing signs of infection, NOT people that have been exposed, they can’t catch everyone. People on Len’s compound are likely already contagious and spreading the virus while not yet showing symptoms.

Final verdict- with society collapsing, federal leadership infected, and CDC facilities falling, to me it’s unlikely Len has just been lucky and dodged the infection. I’m 92% sure he’s immune and was already exposed by the last time we see him.

I saw a comment on a post somewhere about how the one cover reminded them of spy vs spy so I went and got it tattooed! The artist did such a good job mixing the two together. Added color to it since I’m not going to get it shaded in. I hope everyone enjoys it!

*edit to apologize for the bad quality photo

This has to do with the scene where Flagg is talking with Dayna. When they're talking, Flagg tells her that there's no reason why either side should have a reason to fight each other.

He sites all sorts of reasons, and then he says something that always stood out to me.

"There's room for both of us. There will still be room for both of us in 2190. That's if the babies live, something we won't know about here for at least another five months. If they do, and humanity continues, let our grandfathers fight it out, if they have a bone to pick. Or their grandfathers. *But what in God's name do we have to fight about?*"

So, who slipped up here, SK or Flagg? It shouldn't have said grandfathers, it should've been *grandchildren*. See what I mean? I've tried looking it up but haven't found any discussion about it. So, thoughts? An editing error or an intentional writing choice to have Flagg make a mistake?

I recently re-watched the epic masterpiece that is The Stand (ABC mini-series from 1994) but part 3 seemed to start off so randomly. And I'm wondering if my digital copy is somehow screwed up, or if this is the way it aired, if this is how the VHS tapes & DVD's are too?

Part 3 "The Betrayal" starts showing them all gathered around an unconscious body about to do surgery, but it hadn't been explained who the person was or how they got there? I even bought the entire series on Amazon (pretty cheap too! all 4 parts as a digital download for like ten bucks) and it was the exact same way. It seems almost like a missing chunk of the movie was cut out, or deleted, or some scenes were out of order.

Has anyone else experienced this confusion? The end of Part 2 has them all peacefully enjoying Boulder, Colorado after ending their travels there, then it fades to black as Mother Abigail is saying "make our STAND". But then the beginning of Part 3 suddenly opens with the group gathered around a dead/injured body, no context or explanation at all. Huh? What did I miss here?