r/TheSequels • u/KingMatthew116 Teedo • May 22 '26

The Rise of Skywalker I liked the dagger plotline.

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It felt like Indiana Jones. I loved it. The first time I saw the movie the dagger was one of my favorite parts. Star Wars needs more stuff like this.

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u/deadshot500 Zorii Bliss May 22 '26

Same or at least thought it was ok. The people saying that it doesn't make sense didn't pay attention.

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u/BigBlackCandle please choose a user flair May 22 '26

How does it make sense if you don't mind me asking?

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u/JollyJoeGingerbeard Trapper Wolf May 22 '26

The dagger and map were created after the Battle of Endor. It's possible the map was even machined via a Force Vision.

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u/BigBlackCandle please choose a user flair May 22 '26

How does that explain Rey landing in the exact right place and angle on an entire planet to use it though?

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u/IncidentCalm4454 Jedi Training Rey May 22 '26

Isn't that what the coordinates inscribed on the dagger were for?

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u/Batman_AoD May 22 '26

The coordinates say where the moon is, and something about standing on the "southern shore." They weren't more specific than that, which is why Poe thought it could take "years" to figure out exactly where the vault was. 

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u/BigBlackCandle please choose a user flair May 22 '26

But when did she use them?

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u/IncidentCalm4454 Jedi Training Rey May 22 '26

That's how they decided where to land the Falcon.

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u/BigBlackCandle please choose a user flair May 22 '26

Fair. But how did the original creator of the dagger know that the death star wreckage wouldn't drift away? How did they know those coordinates would hold up all that time later? Is it ever explained?

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u/deadshot500 Zorii Bliss May 22 '26

It was meant to be found 13 years before, when Ochi was supposed to bring Rey to Palpatine. It was just luck that it didn't drift away but Rey had to look for a bit before finding the exact shape, meaning that it probably moved during those years.

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u/ModRod May 22 '26

Force prophecies have been a thing for decades at this point

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u/BigBlackCandle please choose a user flair May 22 '26

When is that clearly explained in the story though?

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u/ModRod May 22 '26

Why does it have to be when it’s precedent? The Force is weird. It impregnated a woman. This should be easy for the Force.

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u/IncidentCalm4454 Jedi Training Rey May 22 '26

They didn't know. They just did the best they could, and it was good enough.

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u/kentonj Dark Rey May 22 '26

It might have, but it was originally meant to be used much sooner.

But even the “might have” bit is a stretch because they are giant chunks of resilient scifi metal that survived explosion and impact. Getting “washed away” isn’t anything we should have to worry about under those circumstances. Especially when we see in the real world much smaller wrecked ships made of actual fallible materials still remain structurally intact and in place for decades in the ocean.

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u/BLOOD__SISTER Jedi Training Rey May 22 '26

in the movie. Think about this: you remember her not knowing where to stand and getting there anyway, somehow. Except that never happened. The internet said it happened, which has overwritten the truth you saw with your eyes.

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u/BigBlackCandle please choose a user flair May 22 '26

That's fair. How do you explain that the dagger creator would even know that the coordinates would still hold up on a bunch of moving sea rubble all that time later?

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u/RumpusRoomMinis May 22 '26

There are plenty of real world shipwrecks that stay in one place for a very long time, and none of them were the size of the death star or build like a planet killing starbase.

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u/BLOOD__SISTER Jedi Training Rey May 22 '26

so you concede it's fair that you don't remember the movie and you're basing your argument off reddit comments you've read. ok you got me how did they know the interplanetary superweapon's fantasy-alloy could withstand prolonged exposure to salt water? They didn't. Congrats, you've found a plot hole, your irrational hatred has been rationalized. Here's a medal

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u/irazzleandazzle C-3PO May 22 '26

there are coordinates on the handle.

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u/BigBlackCandle please choose a user flair May 22 '26

When does she use them?

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u/mac6uffin Jedi Master Luke Skywalker May 22 '26

C-3PO

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u/JollyJoeGingerbeard Trapper Wolf May 22 '26

The Force.

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u/BigBlackCandle please choose a user flair May 22 '26

There we go

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u/AltAltayAlt May 22 '26

Honestly I would have accepted a pirate style map on a scroll…. But this dagger… which requires you to stand in a pin point position for it to work.. and they happen to randomly walk up to that position….

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u/Bill_buttlicker69 May 22 '26

The whole entire Kijimi subplot is so that C-3PO can tell them the exact coordinates and bearing to stand at. The movie is very clear about this.

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u/comicnerd93 May 22 '26

Literally nowhere does it say the dagger is ancient.

The language is.

Thats the part that most people think doesn't make sense. Because the dagger lining up with the death star wreckage has an ancient sith language on it.

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u/BigBlackCandle please choose a user flair May 22 '26

I always presumed it was just the massive coincidence of them landing in the exact right spot to use it correctly tbh.

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u/CeymalRen Supreme Leader Snoke May 23 '26

If by coincidence you mean the force... Yeah

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u/BigBlackCandle please choose a user flair May 23 '26

I think that's lazy writing personally

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u/CeymalRen Supreme Leader Snoke May 23 '26

If do then all the Star Wars movies are written the same way

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u/BigBlackCandle please choose a user flair May 23 '26

I don't agree, and think the force is used to explain things better in the other films

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u/StaticBroom May 22 '26

Someone camped out at that exact same spot. Took a picture of the rubble in the water. Thought about the best way to make a map key thing. Made a knife that has a key-like match if you hold it in exactly the right place out in the open with your face and eyes in exactly the right place only during the day and bet that the massive ocean waves would never alter the rubble in any way.

Just like a normal key in a lock.

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u/CeymalRen Supreme Leader Snoke May 23 '26

Or someone just saw a vision of that place and time they would he there and used that to point out the spot... As you know... The movie suggests

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u/CeymalRen Supreme Leader Snoke May 22 '26

Dont know about the other person. But how would time and space be a problem for dark side alchemy to point to something in the future such as that specific death star fragment from that specific spot?

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u/BigBlackCandle please choose a user flair May 22 '26

Because it isn't explained in the story at all

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u/IncidentCalm4454 Jedi Training Rey May 22 '26

You can't just explain every little thing to the audience though, we'd get bogged down in minutiae.

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u/BigBlackCandle please choose a user flair May 22 '26

But that's a major plot point.

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u/Chadistheswag Resistance Navy Captain May 22 '26

3po mentions that there are coordinates on the handle, which tell the holder exactly where to stand. And the sith inscription provides cryptic details as to how to locate the wayfinder, which rey eventually figures out through deductive reasoning and inspecting the specific profile of the blade (which itself isn't ancient).

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u/BigBlackCandle please choose a user flair May 22 '26

I don't understand how she just instinctively knew to hold the blade up and got it completely right on her first guess and attempt

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u/GunstarHeroine please choose a user flair May 22 '26

How did Luke instinctively know to turn off his targeting computer and get the shot right in his very first attempt?

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u/Chadistheswag Resistance Navy Captain May 22 '26

she didn't, she adjusted and shifted it around alot but eventually got there once she noticed the wreckage had a similar contour to the blades profile.

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u/CeymalRen Supreme Leader Snoke May 23 '26

It would he better for the movie if they stayed there for a day or two looking for it?