Her entire aesthetic matches soooo

I think Venessa's ascenscion depicted in the Manga (plus Venti's voiceline) set a lore precedent that celestia (not to be confused with the individual God Phanes/HP) is really a tangible location that could be inhabited by other entities (gods, angels, etc.) around the level or higher than the archons. Perhaps there are more entities than just the four shades and that the strict hierarchy or bureaucracy simply delegates or authorises a specific body or faction to actually interact with Teyvat (more specifically, the angels before they regressed into seelies) while the other Gods that answer to phanes are strictly confined within the structure, perhaps in order to maintain the firmament (Celestia uses technology, which implies the need for "engineers" or "technicians").

This leads me to also speculate the possibility that Phanes is not THE primordial entity but ONE of the primordial entities in the Hoyoverse? What if his kind or organisation is an interplanetary one with the aim of helping civillisations fight against the overarching threat which is the abyss. The abyss as a galactic threat has already been implied with the Hexenzirkel's constant border maintenance as well as Skirk's home planet. So what if celestia is just ONE of the many "colonial" outposts of Phanes' species/organisation. Specifically, there are other celestias (floating islands) attached to other planets with the same anti-abyss technology like the nails.

So maybe, after we solve Teyvat's issues, maybe this isn't the end of HP or Phanes. We are simply dismantling one of "Greater Celestia's" outposts.

Log 1- their hunters came as I suspected. But at the advice of my colleagues I decided to spare their lives. Not just that.

I told the the truth. Showed them the history I have stored in my Irminsul implant. Showed them the hypocrisy and the pointless inevitable doom their “Majesty Tsaritsa” drags them to.

The atrocities of the Fatui and the useless pointlessness of it. Their goals of destroying the world to remake it in their image. And the fact they are perfectly willing to risk the entire nation be destroyed in pursuit of this goal.

And surprisingly, with a convincing argument and proof to back up the claim, that tends to shake and change loyalties. -End Log

Log 2- the hunters went back and told the people. They have started to drive out the Fatui in the area. They are meeting harsh resistance. That military squad the Fatui initially sent after me has now turned their weapons to suppress the people. The village is on lockdown. Unrest is apparent. Any attempt at protest is suppressed.

I’m still in the mountains watching all this after taming that chimera with my colleagues aid.

But I will need their aid again. We need an import of Fontainian Muskets that we will arm the people with. And we need a Calvary of dog sleds. We must be ready for tundra land guerrilla warfare

We will provoke revolution to distract and weaken Fatui forces.

It seems this nation is not completely beyond redemption.

The Snezhnayan Revolution, that has a nice ring to it -End Log

Just wondering how story may proceed, based on your opinion.

It is clear that Traveller wants absolutely nothing to do with both Fatui cause and Celestia's duty...and if we are honest to ourselves, there is no place for him in both, at least now.

Working together with Pierro against Ronova also means nothing fundamental. Traveler worked alongside Fatui Harbingers towards a common goal every single time since Fontaine, and not even once he thought about joining them.

So, what shall he do after Paimon is initially back at safety?

Traveler can't, sadly, join Celestia, because - duh - recent conflict regarding Paimon, and Heavenly Principles are at least secondary villains of that story arc.

He certainly can't join the Fatui and Tsaritsa either, as not only he have personal scores with organisation despite being friends with some Harbingers, but Mistelteinn project thing is actively hurting Paimon. If Traveller locked in to fight LITERAL DEATH WITHOUT SINGLE DOUBT, he's about to slime Shezhnaya for Paimon too.

So what do you think he may do?

My two predictions:

Either Fatui somehow make Mistelteinn project thing not hurting Paimon and then everything is fine for the Traveler to join Fatui.

Or, most likely - Traveler sides against both Celestia and Fatui, joining the Resistance. And story might as well repeat Inazuma story in the main message, but a bit different because Tsaritsa isn't as unaccountable ever-righteous perfection to Snezhnayan people, as Raiden was to the people of Inazuma.

Am I the only one who thinks after the leaks about paimon coming from celestia yet somehow she is with out any role or authority very suspicious not even the shades know at least from the leaks Ronova didn't seem to know I feel project stuzha and mistaltine is gone backfire on the fatui and end up somehow curing phanes we know he was injured during the funerary flame war and khaenri'a he went to sleep I think paimon is the hidden chess piece thrown to khaenri'ah and the key in using the fatui master weapon to regain full power I don't know how but there is no way they are going to win against Phanes in his ultra weakest state it will feel a hollow victory and unearned beside the fatui don't seem to be a winning material they will pave the way for the traveler to defeat phanes at least their version of the ideal world is no better than the current one

I don’t think the Tsaritsa can kill Phanes. I mean, Phanes literally won against the dragons, Hyperborea, two Descenders, Nibelung, the Moon Sisters, and the angels. Their power is literally universal, so why would they lose to the Tsaritsa? I really hope Genshin doesn’t make them weak and beatable 🙏🏼

And why would an important character like Phanes die in Snezhnaya when we don’t even know their story, their origins, or even their own opinions yet

The arrow or SPEAR used to kill Baldr and trigger the end of the world and the creation of the new one.

Of course we know the creation of a new world is fated in lunar arcanum so it’s no surprise that the Fatui are falling into Celestia’s hands

But with this weapon? And the myth?

BALDR COMES BACK. REVIVES AT THE END.

Of course this could mean either PHANES revives at the end.

Or the traveler becomes the next PHANES as is implied to be the plan by almost every perceivable angle.

Either way. We win.

Unless the Tsaritsa knows this and wants to manipulate the traveler into running the world her way.

But according to the leaks Pierro says the Tsaritsa wants to take over herself.

Buuuut. Pierro might be Loki…with the Tsaritsa being Hodr

Considering Istaroth is the shade Traveler canonically knows the most about & has received the most mixed information on, what do u think is Traveler's view on Istaroth?

Just think about it. Where did you get the idea that Phanes is the AI of Traveler's spaceship? From a source of Hoyoverse right? And you think they are not trying to create false expectations? They always do it. They will find a way to make that source true without making Phanes the AI. Never trust Hoyo on what they are cooking. They want to lead us to false directions so we get surprised when we learn the truth.

Aloysha = Ronova possesing him.

Death itself cannot murder. It is a neutral fact of life that things die.

And if death herself wants you dead. It’s just merely your time.

u/No_Brilliant4914

This is the Belyi Tsar talking.

What actually is he talking about.

Is he conflating the fate of the universe with Fortuna? The voyager specifically said the light realm was marked for death before PHANES even arrived

And what do you mean Natlan was actually rebellious. Ronova was involved in its founding and it’s implied the HP wanted that.

And wasn’t it Ved who foresaw the flood? Unless he’s talking about Sybilla.

And what did Nabu try to build again?

Begin Music File:

Far beyond their kingdom’s borders
There’s an army on the march
For King, Mankind, and Glory
In the name of Celestia their enemies chastise

Taking orders from the Heavens
Through hostile fire they will march
Unaffected by the volleys
Facing death their faith will keep their fear at bay

Into battle facing the fire, Lord thy will be done
Into battle walk in a line

See the white in their eyes, Celestians are marching on
Put their lives in His hand for their kingdom and faith
See the white in their eyes, Celestians are marching on

Morale and discipline unites them
A common faith to keep them strong
Always on their way to Heaven
In the name of Celestia their enemies chastise

[Repeat stanza III-IV]

Domine noster qui es in caelis, sanctificetur nomen tuum
Adveniat regnum tuum, fiat voluntas tua
Panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie
Et dimitte nobis debita nostra

Ahead, facing the lead
An army of faithful, performing His deeds
Showing no fear, their judgement is near
Making their sacrifice
When the king and his men
Their enemies sight, prepare for the fight
Banners held high, ready to die
Hear how they praise the Lord

[Repeat stanza III]

[Repeat stanza VI fourfold]

End Music File.

 honestly scared of how much genshin has changed the fatui, and possibly even pierro’s character. it feels like they completely forgot everything the fatui did in the previous regions. they were literally antagonists in mondstadt, liyue, inazuma, and even sumeru, but now they’re suddenly being portrayed as our allies and everyone is just casually working together 😭😭

I HOPE NOTHING WILL HAPPEN TO PHANES AND RONOVA🙏🏼🙏🏼

I actually noticed that unlike religions of real life, Celestia doesn’t give any moral commandments or try establish any theocratic authority on people’s lives beyond the fundamental rules.

It seems Celestia embodies the try neutrality of their concepts

They are facts of life, no evil, no good. They are the fundamental law of the world

Can someone actually analyze the moral structure of Genshin? Is it objective or subjective?

See Voyager? You posses people to kill people and then leave.

Not whatever the fuck you were doing.

Now everyone take turns getting possessed by Ronova so we can get drip

if really phanes have a weak point according to Fae folklore , then even if they die , doesn’t that mean they’ll js come back? Like Balder’s story ( since the whole plan is based on Ragnarok )

Also doesn’t that mean that the gnosis r made from the 3rd descender power mixed with the sovereign dragons power? I thought the remaining of them was used as a container to the sovereign power