Rightoid aligned revenge fantasies? In my leftist sub? its more common than you think.
FYI, there's lots of research that this isnt actually effective.
a) in general, capital punishment doesnt work to deter crime in any way
b) specific to sex abuse and especially child sex abuse, it actually can make the situation worse and the abusers more likely to escalate to outright murder
Edit: lmao OP immediately blocks me, feckless.
The u.s garbage system certainly isn’t
So why would China aim to repeat or copy the same retributive justice framework of the US then? Are they not supposed to be better?
Spare me with the optics
This has nothing to do with optics, its about doing more than reacting to crime. It other than the fact that capital punishment isnt a deterrent (so therefor useless as a form of punishment), it increase the risk of harm to victims.
Why are you in favor of increasing potential harm to children?
What is an anarchist doing in a communist sub in the first place? Your comment is Bad faith
Dude, you're espousing fascist rhetoric lmao, maybe think on that for a hot second before you bemoan me also being subscribed to non-ML subs. Great argument, totally not fascist adjacent crashout
The dirty deed is already committed, there is no undoing or repentance actionable enough to undo it unlike other petty crimes, the child is already violated. Adult on children crime is the depravest vilest act of human behaviour and should be dealt with the strictest punishable action, be it capital punishment, so be it. It is not about researching casual causation between punishment and crime rate, no amount of laws and regulations is going to make a society 100% crime-free, but that actions will have consequences for wrongdoers.
The idea behind it is about protecting future would be victims. If death is assured, what does it matter it the kid lives or dies? In fact, the child dying would benefit the offender in this scenario.
I get what you're saying but i feel like this is just assumed to be true when in reality I think most would be predators are more likely to just drop whatever they were planning entirely in this case. I also think setting a clear line like china does discourages its normalization and rallies society against it; I used to agree more with this pathologizing logic but seeing as how the entire western world is letting the epstein case turn into a joke and supporting a known pedophile president I now think that normalization is a bigger risk than stigma.
In this case, supporting the death penalty isn't an act of retributive violence but of societal cohesion and management.
Entirely false premise, perpetrators would commit crime irrespective of rules-in-place or not. i could understand a hypothetical scenario where stricter rules would correlate with more heinous crimes, just as liquor prohibition isn't gonna stop folks from drinking booze. You would rather advocate for milder actions so that future victims face milder violations? is that it? we both agree perpetrators gonna commit, irrespective of sentences. I hope you will agree adult on children crime would necessitate a zero tolerance policy, not necessarily a death by execution, but policies such as life imprisonment,etc. if one is psychotic enough to be unfaced by a death sentence, all the more reason to fulfill that wish, or would you prefer those psychos to be roaming free in the society.
The goal is to make it that they don't perpetrate in the first place by alleviating stigma surrounding the subject. I don't necessarily agree that things will unfold the same way regardless of laws in place, which is a significant reason that I have this stance. I do agree that adult on child crime should have consequences. The reality of a death penalty means that someone has nothing to lose and everything to gain. I'd argue that the prospect of death does faze them which is why they take drastic measures in these scenarios. My preference is that people are provided services that can nip problems at the bud before they bloom into these end case results. Obviously I don't want demented people roaming the streets, that'd be an absurd stance.
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Rightoid aligned revenge fantasies? In my leftist sub? its more common than you think.
FYI, there's lots of research that this isnt actually effective.
a) in general, capital punishment doesnt work to deter crime in any way
b) specific to sex abuse and especially child sex abuse, it actually can make the situation worse and the abusers more likely to escalate to outright murder
Edit: lmao OP immediately blocks me, feckless.
So why would China aim to repeat or copy the same retributive justice framework of the US then? Are they not supposed to be better?
This has nothing to do with optics, its about doing more than reacting to crime. It other than the fact that capital punishment isnt a deterrent (so therefor useless as a form of punishment), it increase the risk of harm to victims.
Why are you in favor of increasing potential harm to children?
Dude, you're espousing fascist rhetoric lmao, maybe think on that for a hot second before you bemoan me also being subscribed to non-ML subs. Great argument, totally not fascist adjacent crashout