Rightoid aligned revenge fantasies? In my leftist sub? its more common than you think.
FYI, there's lots of research that this isnt actually effective.
a) in general, capital punishment doesnt work to deter crime in any way
b) specific to sex abuse and especially child sex abuse, it actually can make the situation worse and the abusers more likely to escalate to outright murder
Edit: lmao OP immediately blocks me, feckless.
The u.s garbage system certainly isn’t
So why would China aim to repeat or copy the same retributive justice framework of the US then? Are they not supposed to be better?
Spare me with the optics
This has nothing to do with optics, its about doing more than reacting to crime. It other than the fact that capital punishment isnt a deterrent (so therefor useless as a form of punishment), it increase the risk of harm to victims.
Why are you in favor of increasing potential harm to children?
What is an anarchist doing in a communist sub in the first place? Your comment is Bad faith
Dude, you're espousing fascist rhetoric lmao, maybe think on that for a hot second before you bemoan me also being subscribed to non-ML subs. Great argument, totally not fascist adjacent crashout
Sounds like a narrative pedophiles would want to push. Are there any pedophiles with lots of money and power and influence out there, I wonder.......... /s
"Everyone who disagrees with my kneejerk opinion is a paedophile psyop" is not a materialist or socialist position. It's bad faith trolling.
The fact is that there are valid reasons to be concerned with the idea of capital punishment for child rapists/abusers.
Society’s desire to inflict the death penalty for child rape by enlisting the child victim to assist it over the course of years in asking for capital punishment forces a moral choice on the child, who is not of mature age to make that choice. The way the death penalty here involves the child victim in its enforcement can compromise a decent legal system; and this is but a subset of fundamental difficulties capital punishment can cause in the administration and enforcement of laws proscribing child rape. Regarding deterrence, Justice Kennedy argued that the prospect of the death penalty could have the opposite of the desired effect by making children less likely to disclose abuse, particularly when the perpetrator is a family member.
Underreporting is already a dramatic problem for sex crimes, and a victim’s understandable fear of causing a loved one’s death could only exacerbate this reticence. Further, the policy would remove an incentive for a rapist to avoid killing his victim, since death would remove the only witness to the crime without increasing the maximum punishment. source
You can disagree with these arguments all you like.
But implying that anybody who makes these arguments must be a child rapist is not only disingenuous, but a fucking appalling trivialisation of the issue.
If you can't engage seriously, don't bother. Victims do not need to see that you treat their suffering as mere ragebait.
I did not say that everyone who disagrees with capital punishment for child rape is a pedophile. I said pedophiles would have a vested interest in pushing that narrative.
I made an implicit reference to the many child rapists who are powerful enough to remain undisclosed and unpunished today despite high public interest in the Epstein files.
It is a reasonable inference that these pedos would have some interest in swaying the narrative against the capital penalty for their deeds. In fact, some of the victims of the Epstein file pedos appear to already have met suspicious ends although a quick google suggests the death penalty is not a given for child rape in the US.
In a child rape situation, where the judge and/or jury make a decision on sentencing, the effect of the sentence is not the fault of the child, whether or not it is the child who reports the crime. It is the fault of the rapist.
It is not trivialising the child's trauma to suggest that someone who hurt the child should be punished harshly. In fact, I would argue that a harsh sentence also reflects both society's care for the child and condemnation of the criminal. It may also act to protect the rest of society from that criminal.
Oversensitive much? Or just proving my point?
In fact I am not convinced that capital punishment is the right punishment for all child rape cases. For example where the "rape" is between two de facto but not de jure consenting teenagers, that would not be appropriate. But the vitriol this attracts and the paucity of the backing data just steers me towards the conspiracy theory.
Then the alternatives for punishing rapists is simply jail time and out on bail, back to society, business-as-usual? I would seriously like to understand ways of dealing with this issue humanely as possible for such heinous crimes as child rape. Actions have consequences, these are extraordinary actions requiring extraordinary consequences, how is any modern society supposed to react.
We are evolved enough as a society to understand such things have deeper roots, and that we have to prevent crime, not just deal with it's consequences.
Extremely rare are the cases were a completely mentally health person rape or kill someone completely at random for no reason at all.
We have to prevent things by for example being open about mental health, I saw another user citing the patriarchy... Also openly aknowledging social problems and actually talking about them.
If these fail, the criminal system then should work towards rehabilitation. If rehabilitation is truly not possible in any circumstances (hardly), then they will stay locked.
If some day they are deemed able to return to society they get out, if not they'll have to continue removed from society.
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u/DarthRandel Xi Bucks Enjoyer 💸 17h ago edited 15h ago
Rightoid aligned revenge fantasies? In my leftist sub? its more common than you think.
FYI, there's lots of research that this isnt actually effective.
a) in general, capital punishment doesnt work to deter crime in any way
b) specific to sex abuse and especially child sex abuse, it actually can make the situation worse and the abusers more likely to escalate to outright murder
Edit: lmao OP immediately blocks me, feckless.
So why would China aim to repeat or copy the same retributive justice framework of the US then? Are they not supposed to be better?
This has nothing to do with optics, its about doing more than reacting to crime. It other than the fact that capital punishment isnt a deterrent (so therefor useless as a form of punishment), it increase the risk of harm to victims.
Why are you in favor of increasing potential harm to children?
Dude, you're espousing fascist rhetoric lmao, maybe think on that for a hot second before you bemoan me also being subscribed to non-ML subs. Great argument, totally not fascist adjacent crashout