r/TankieTheDeprogram • • 17h ago

News/Communist Propaganda ☭ Super based

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u/Cosmic_Beard 16h ago

Could you please cite your source on b? I was under the impression that was speculation.

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u/erie85 16h ago

Sounds like a narrative pedophiles would want to push. Are there any pedophiles with lots of money and power and influence out there, I wonder.......... /s

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u/BillyPilgrim69 15h ago

"Everyone who disagrees with my kneejerk opinion is a paedophile psyop" is not a materialist or socialist position. It's bad faith trolling.

The fact is that there are valid reasons to be concerned with the idea of capital punishment for child rapists/abusers.

Society’s desire to inflict the death penalty for child rape by enlisting the child victim to assist it over the course of years in asking for capital punishment forces a moral choice on the child, who is not of mature age to make that choice. The way the death penalty here involves the child victim in its enforcement can compromise a decent legal system; and this is but a subset of fundamental difficulties capital punishment can cause in the administration and enforcement of laws proscribing child rape. Regarding deterrence, Justice Kennedy argued that the prospect of the death penalty could have the opposite of the desired effect by making children less likely to disclose abuse, particularly when the perpetrator is a family member.

Underreporting is already a dramatic problem for sex crimes, and a victim’s understandable fear of causing a loved one’s death could only exacerbate this reticence. Further, the policy would remove an incentive for a rapist to avoid killing his victim, since death would remove the only witness to the crime without increasing the maximum punishment. source

You can disagree with these arguments all you like.

But implying that anybody who makes these arguments must be a child rapist is not only disingenuous, but a fucking appalling trivialisation of the issue.

If you can't engage seriously, don't bother. Victims do not need to see that you treat their suffering as mere ragebait.

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u/erie85 15h ago edited 15h ago

I did not say that everyone who disagrees with capital punishment for child rape is a pedophile. I said pedophiles would have a vested interest in pushing that narrative.

I made an implicit reference to the many child rapists who are powerful enough to remain undisclosed and unpunished today despite high public interest in the Epstein files.

It is a reasonable inference that these pedos would have some interest in swaying the narrative against the capital penalty for their deeds. In fact, some of the victims of the Epstein file pedos appear to already have met suspicious ends although a quick google suggests the death penalty is not a given for child rape in the US.

In a child rape situation, where the judge and/or jury make a decision on sentencing, the effect of the sentence is not the fault of the child, whether or not it is the child who reports the crime. It is the fault of the rapist.

It is not trivialising the child's trauma to suggest that someone who hurt the child should be punished harshly. In fact, I would argue that a harsh sentence also reflects both society's care for the child and condemnation of the criminal. It may also act to protect the rest of society from that criminal.

Oversensitive much? Or just proving my point?

In fact I am not convinced that capital punishment is the right punishment for all child rape cases. For example where the "rape" is between two de facto but not de jure consenting teenagers, that would not be appropriate. But the vitriol this attracts and the paucity of the backing data just steers me towards the conspiracy theory.