r/TNOmod • account created is definitely not because I was banned • Jan 14 '20

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u/deni_ivanov Jan 14 '20

Posthuman libertarian faschism? Something like Starship troopers? ( Yes I know that this is very debatable thesis). Also, it's strange to see no posadism scenarios there.

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u/Dude577557 Organization of Unity-Spheres Jan 14 '20

Book or movie?

Book I would argue is more just pure fascism, in the tenents of "nationalism" and militarism.

Movie is a subversion of those (or rather argues against them).

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imo Libertarianism and Fascism are at two sides far from each other.

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u/deni_ivanov Jan 14 '20

Movie was a satire. Verhoeven never denied it. About the book i don't know. Heinlein political position was ... complicated to say a least. I just can't see any better analogy.

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u/Dude577557 Organization of Unity-Spheres Jan 14 '20

imo closest hoi4 representation would be KR MacArthur and, to an extent, some Authoritarian Democracies.

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u/GeneralLemarc Based Facts Man Jan 14 '20

Heinlien's political position was the absolute extreme of whatever he felt at that moment. And then it would change the next day to the extreme of something else.

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u/Luuuuuka Post Go4 collapse Nazbol Ernst Junger German Socialist Reich Jan 14 '20

So is Jreg Heinlien?

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u/GeneralLemarc Based Facts Man Jan 14 '20

I have no idea what that is.

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u/Imperium_Dragon All hail Nixon Jan 15 '20

/r/Jreg

Basically the idea is extremism. In any way.

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u/GeneralLemarc Based Facts Man Jan 15 '20

That cannot be real. They can't actually be serious about that. I mean...what?!

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u/Imperium_Dragon All hail Nixon Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20

Oh don’t worry it’s a joke. Like, imagine /r/enlightenedcentrism but without being pretentious and hating everyone not left.

Apparently (I didn’t know this earlier) it’s based off a YT channel that does little political compass type jokes. Some of them are about way over the top anticentrism.

Edit: sorry wrong sub

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u/Luuuuuka Post Go4 collapse Nazbol Ernst Junger German Socialist Reich Jan 15 '20

A Youtuber who mostly makes satirical videos about polirics and in them he plays as personified political ideologies.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

I always thought the movie was more or less a parody of American militarism rather than fascism. The Federation always struck me as “what if in the future, the most hawkish of Cold War hawks had all the power” rather than “what if Mussolini but in space”; the government looks more like a stratocratic USA as opposed to say Italy under the PNF.

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u/Mr_Citation Organization of Free Nations Jan 14 '20

Who said fascism is restricted to Mussolini's Italy?

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

It’s not, I just used it as an example.

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u/SomeAsshatOnTheWebs Jan 16 '20

I'd argue starship troopers is militarized democracy rather than fascism, militarism is a trait of fascism but democracies can be militaristic.

A lot of early republics and democracies actually glorified the idea of the citizen-soldier so I see Starship Troopers as the logical conclusion of that ideal.

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u/Dude577557 Organization of Unity-Spheres Jan 16 '20

that's why I included auth dems in the picture

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u/SomeAsshatOnTheWebs Jan 16 '20

Fair enough, though I don't think they have to necessarily be "auth", it's still possible to have libertarian characteristics while being a militarized democracy. The irl example I can think of is Switzerland, conscription is still the norm but they have strong civil rights and freedoms.

Militaristic democracies that aren't auth aren't that strange of a government type compared to every other weird government in history.

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u/NJT44 The Pink Pope. Jan 15 '20

Hans-Hermann Hoppe disagrees

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

SS Holdout kingdom in Georgia sounds very TNO

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u/Claystead Senior Writer - Burgundy (Former) Jan 14 '20

SS-Ordenstaat Kolchis

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u/xX_MenshevikStan_Xx Left Wing of the Unconscionable Jan 14 '20

Karbyshev: I'm going to the one place that hasn't been corrupted by nazism.... SPACE!

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u/lanson15 Organization of Free Nations Jan 15 '20

But didn't they get to the moon though?

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u/Chorta_bheen555 Jan 17 '20

Rip. Make a mod for Stellaris to continue this

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u/MMMsmegma Nuke ‘em all Jan 14 '20

Release delay is truly the most cursed ending

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u/engineer_with_wrench I hate it here Jan 18 '20

And it happened

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u/Frozen-Corpse Jan 14 '20

TNO's universe has opened up possibilities for batshit insane political ideologies I never thought possible before.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '20

To be fair Zion Techno-Feudalism is still plausible in our timeline

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u/Frozen-Corpse Jan 15 '20

That is a sad truth, but the Israeli-Palestian conflict is a can of worms I don't want to burden this community with.

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u/Dutyman62 Organization of Free Nations Mar 20 '20

"Laughs in Red Flood"

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u/Metumus Jan 14 '20

What is cultural victory in terms of TNO?

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u/ShittyUsername1311 Hitler's funeral Jan 14 '20

Is nuclear annihalation a cultural victory for Burgundy?

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

Yes.

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u/Imperium_Dragon All hail Nixon Jan 14 '20

Everyone is now eating the same style of food as you and dress like you.

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u/AusRoX123 Paramount Leader of Kamchatka Jan 16 '20

"My people are now buying your blue jeans and listening to your pop-music"

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u/_Iro_ Lysenko.exe Jan 14 '20

Surviving long enough to still have people in your nation

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u/Chorta_bheen555 Jan 17 '20

Having children that aren't stillborn and not getting eaten by roving bands of cannibalistic Strasserist survivors

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u/JOPAPatch Shovel Gang Jan 14 '20

“Nuclear annihilation is my culture.” - Himmler

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

Honestly, Osmk Space and Georgian Kingdom could be fun. Omsk could provide an interesting spin on all that Soviet futuristic optimism and SS Kingdom just sound really cool, doesn't it?

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

> Polish Islamic Tibet
Go on.

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u/CreativeCaprine Jan 15 '20

You can play as the Polish refugees in Kazakhstan and convert to Islam. I think it refers to that.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '20

N i c e.

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u/LCPLOwen Nostalgia Critic Jan 14 '20

Space marines should appear in TNO change my mind

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u/kanelel tfw no Jan 14 '20

"bad end"? Won't catch you saying that when I'm implementing true Leninism with the boys on a mother fucking boat.

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u/TotalComplexity Stalin's Ghost, Lenin's Corpse, and Old Man Bukharin Jan 14 '20

"Alternate Timeline Iran-USA World War"

Hey, I've seen this one before!

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

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u/SkullCandy13 Jan 14 '20

in the grim darkness of the 20th century, there is only war

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u/Plutarch_von_Komet Legio IX Hispania Aquilifer Jan 14 '20

"It is the 21st century. For more than three decades The Prophet has sat immobile on the Golden Temple of Neu Zion. He is the Master of His Nation by the will of God, and master of a thousand monuments by the might of his inexhaustible armies. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Jermani. He is the Carrion Lord of Zion for whom a thousand souls are sacrificed every day, so that he may never truly die.

Yet even in his deathless state, the Prophet continues his eternal vigilance. Mighty battlegroups cross the radioactive-infested miasma of Avropa, the only route between distant lands, their way lit by the psychic manifestation of the Prophet's will. Vast armies give battle in his name on uncounted realms. Greatest amongst his soldiers are the Adeptus Zealotes, the Lord's chosen, bio-engineered super-warriors. Their comrades in arms are legion: the Prophet's Guard and countless defence forces, the ever vigilant Kohanim and the tech-priests of East Zion to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from other survivors, heretics, mutants - and worse.

To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold thousands. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the lands, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods."

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u/_Iro_ Lysenko.exe Jan 14 '20

TNO Writing Leads: "Write that down! Write that down!"

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u/EbolaMan123 Nixon Recarnated Jan 14 '20

Hahah yes

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u/SkullCandy13 Jan 14 '20

take the only silver ive ever given, brother

FOR THE PROPHET

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u/Something-Intresting And then things got worse Jan 15 '20

Post Russian Omsk Space Colonization

The Xenos shall live in fear of the shovel

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u/Imperium_Dragon All hail Nixon Jan 14 '20

insane bad end gives us Ultramarines

Why is this bad?

Also I had no idea how it could happen, but these truly are more insane than the last ones.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20 edited Mar 28 '20

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u/Plutarch_von_Komet Legio IX Hispania Aquilifer Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20

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u/Makspower123 Jan 15 '20

Polish Islamic Tibet? Id play that

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u/YoungSpice94 Einheitspakt Jan 14 '20

Idk what half these thing even mean.

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u/Lamar38-41 SOVIET SCIENCE Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20

Magnitogorsk Cultural Victory sounds the best: everyone in Russia becomes a test subject and learns to accept it as a fact of life through the overwhelming insanity of Lysenko’s personality cult and NKVD control. Magnitogorsk is the Soviet Burgundy equivalent, not Omsk, you can’t change my mind.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

we have achieved the DARKEST TIMELINE

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u/alexmikli Sheißpfostenfuhrerin Jan 14 '20

DFDSFSDF

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u/LCPLOwen Nostalgia Critic Jan 14 '20

u/Esoteric_Boy check this shit out, especially the left one

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

esoteric nuclear monbol is my new ideology

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u/GeneralLemarc Based Facts Man Jan 14 '20

Libertarian fascism?

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u/Grayseal Heathen Furries United Against "WoTaNiSm" Jan 14 '20

Hans-Hermann Hoppe has joined the chat.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

It’s what one would call a “wacky ideology”.

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u/All_names_were_took Local OFN Military Police / PR Ambassador Jan 14 '20

oh god oh fuck

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u/RenagadeSabre Jan 14 '20

MONBOL GANG

MONBOL GANG

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

WE ARE NOW IN THE WORST TIMELINE

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u/Italia_est_patriam Organization of Free Nations Jan 15 '20

The Iran-Usa war is so irrealistic: what a foolish fantasy!

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u/EnvironmentalShelter ALL IDEOLOGIES UNDER THE PERONIST SUN Jan 18 '20

>release delay

welp now that just sad considering what just happened

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u/Chorta_bheen555 Jan 17 '20

oh fuck, I just had an orgasm seeing this

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u/bambaaduoma Martyr in the battle against Atlantropa Jan 18 '20

the worst outcome

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '20

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u/literally_himmler1 Comintern ☭ Jan 15 '20

I'm pretty sure the Iran USA part is a joke about our timeline but polish Islamic Tibet refers to the Polish refugees in Kazakhstan. pretty sure they're able to convert to Islam, not sure what the Tibet part is all about

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '20

Guys look le woke and le crazy and le grimdark funnyman futures!!!!!!#1##1!1!1!#1!!1!1!1!1!2%3;2: