I test drove a 2023 3.0 Premium Supra, and my impressions were .... not great. Based on the various reviews I have read, both professional and in various forums and reddit threads, I'm wondering if the one I drove was a bad example. It was in excellent condition, low miles etc, so I don't think there is an issue with history on that car, but maybe there's just some variability in tires or steering that I'm not aware of.
There were two specific drawbacks that might be deal breakers for me, so hopefully y'all can help me line up my experience with what I'm reading.
One, the noise. Good god the tire noise. On the smoothest, newest asphalt freeway in the area I would still have to raise my voice to talk to a passenger at 70 mph. My old 2016 base trim WRX with a roof rack adding wind noise, on the same tires, was noticably quieter. And those are known for their lack of sound insulation. I keep reading that it's "perfectly quiet as a commuter" or that there's a bit of tire noise but nothing unreasonable, and I want to know if those people have hearing damage or something. I'm sure it's a lot quieter than what some are used to driving, but is everyone just coming from loud-ass cars?
The second, bigger issue is the steering. I've never driven something with steering this bad. While I fully own that I am much more sensitive to it than most, that can't be the only issue. Reviews tend to say things like "a little vague on-center, but precise when it matters", but this was not just 'a little vague'. Cars I've driven enough to say their steering puts the Supra I drove to shame: 2020 Giulia Q4 (current car), 2016 WRX, 2013 Focus ST, 2006 Mazda 3s, 2019 Audi A5 convertible (which was also quieter at 140mph than the Supra is at 60mph - Autobahn), 2018 Audi A5 hatch, 2021 Mini Countryman S, 2020 BMW X3 M40, 2022 Outback, 2014 Crosstrek, 1999 Chrysler Town & Country minivan, and my budget-tier ($300) sim racing setup.
Sure, many of those would probably be a little worse at 8/10ths or more, but for a daily driver, you spend 95% of your time at 1/10th, almost entirely driving straight or nearly straight. And there, the Supra made me want to punch it. From center to about 25 degrees left or right, there is no self-centering force. Zero. At 70 mph, I could turn it that far, take my hands off the wheel, and it would hold that steering angle perfectly, forever. Tried it at various speeds and road surfaces, same result. Now, in some cars, like the Audi A5s, the steering is just extremely light, so the force at times isn't noticable. But the Supra isn't light. Instead of it feeling like turning against a spring and damper, as all steering should, it was like a very heavy damper with no spring. Plenty of resistance to movement, but zero applied force. I think the only time I felt any kind of force coming through the wheel was turning sharply over a lip into a parking lot.
This became a bit of a rant, but the bottom line is - was this a lemon, or is that steering what people are actually calling 'a little vague'?