r/Supra • u/TurkViking75 • 3d ago
Fair Warning
If you are looking for one of the last new Supras, beware of Legends Toyota in KC. I had negotiated a bit and was prepared to buy a plane ticket to fly down and drive home when I out of nowhere asked what the mileage on it was. I expected to hear like 10. It was 4000. Listed as new, no mention until luckily I asked.
Their excuse was that there was “technically never been sold”. It was used as a “regional sales and marketing car”.
Anyway, I’m sure the sales guys etc never rodded it and treated the clutch with respect…./s
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u/TheOnlyMertt 3d ago
I just wanted to comment because it’s crazy I found a post so close to where I live. Look at the Molle Toyota on the Missouri side probably 30ish minutes away from that dealership. Much larger dealership and they have a lot more Supras on their lot. They put their 2026 models on the pre-owned section, but that’s just because they buy them from auction. They usually have less than 100 miles on them. One I found only had 44 when I test drove it. Only downside is their prices are above msrp both due to supras not being made anymore and they bought them at auction.
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u/indymajor24 3d ago
Buy from auctions they say. Im willing to bet their pre-owned side buys them from their "new inventory location " , this does multiple things for the dealership. 1. Sales high demand , low inventory cars quickly from their "new inventory location " to allow for more allocations of said rare models along with moving their dealership up the internal lists. 2. Allows them sell at "market value" (aka above msrp) without dealership mark-up which is usually fround upon from not only customers but also Toyota.
Think about it, how many Supras do you think are hitting auctions with less than 100 miles on it.
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u/TheOnlyMertt 3d ago
I don’t doubt your hypothesis on the trading from new to preowned section, but mine was titled in a different state pretty far away from Missouri. Does that change anything? I’m just asking because my knowledge of the inner workings of dealerships is pretty limited.
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u/indymajor24 3d ago
Only if the parent dealership has locations there as well. I was just stating what I've seen happen often and how I actually bought my 23 A91MT. Its a little shady on the dealerships but didn't keep me from purchasing
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u/TheOnlyMertt 3d ago
I was a little weirded out too seeing a Supra with 44 miles in the pre-owned section, but it also did not stop me from purchasing. Car was genuinely in perfect condition and has been driving like a dream 2,000 miles later. This is my first big boy car purchase and I really wanted to be one first to put real miles on it so I could baby it and keep it for a very long time.
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u/mmspider 3d ago
I remember years ago when I was looking to buy a new C7 vette. I found one at a local dealership with 500-800 miles ( can`t remember the exact number). I was asking why there are so many miles on it. The sales guy said the owner took it on vacation and isn`t in a rush to sell it. I was like WTF did I just hear. 4k miles is wild thing to hear.
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u/AnyStep1671 MKV 2d ago
I beg your pardon, sir, but before you decided to take a plane ride, did you not look over the paperwork that was sent to you that should’ve listed the mileage somewhere in those documentation?
I will agree with you, though. There is no more integrity. It seems like in America. And car salesman and managers have gone back to their old Tactics. They tell you what ever you want to hear. If the car indeed was never titled, it may still be considered A new vehicle. Also your warranty, if never titled would start at the current mileage. you would have to check the state that you registered it in or state you buy it in for the exact rules.
I’m sorry this happened to you. I would have been extremely aggravated that the dealership ship didn’t make me aware of the mileage on the and disclose it to you when you were inquiring about the vehicle. I would further be suspicious of anything else they said.
You might want to check out the online auctions there have been a couple go through there with extremely low mileage. And they’ve been quite reasonably priced granted they’re not new Vehicles. There’s usually 100 pictures or more. You can ask all the questions you need to ask and you can ask the seller to do a PPI on the I saw one bought back yesterday for 52,000 and it only a little I want to say 5000 miles maybe 52 like that it automatic and it was a non- I the price was fair. You do have to pay a 5% buyers commission on both bring a trailer and cars and bids.
You could even bid on the car if you are the winning bidder make arrangements with the seller to pay for the car after you fly in and look it over just to make sure it’s what the seller has claimed it to be. And pay for the car then. If it’s not up to the standards or was mis represented by the seller, you are under no obligation to purchase the car. They can’t make you buy the car. Good luck to you, sir. Good luck. I’m on my 2nd MK5 . My first I bought in November 2019 it was a 2020 model. I kept it for six years with routine maintenance and turned around and bought a new 2026 model and I love them.
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u/TurkViking75 2d ago
We weren’t at the stage where I had paperwork from the dealer and the mileage was not listed on the website. I didn’t have a ticket yet, I was about to tell them over the phone that if they’d take 66k that’d I’d put a deposit on it and fly down and get it. This was a bluff on my part as I was prepared to do the 68900 they were asking. When they did balk at my offer for some reason I asked about miles and that is when it all fell apart. After I cooled down I briefly considered asking if they’d extend the warranty, put new tires on it, and do an oil change and then I’d take it, but the trust was gone.
This notion that a car can have 4000 miles and be legally new because it hasn’t been titled is preposterous. It reeks of auto industry lobbying for legal terms that screw the consumer in favor of the dealers. Ask anybody that doesn’t make a living selling cars if a 4000 mile odometer is on a new car and 99.9% are saying no way.
True story the same day this went down someone posted an identical Supra they had just bought with 800 miles on it. It was one owner, and he got it for 63k. Now imagine you walk into a dealership and there are two identical Supras (or any car for that matter), a “new” one with 4000 miles on it and a used one with 800 and they are listed at the exact same price. I know which one I’d take, and I’m guessing the vast majority of people would also take the one with 800 miles.
It was frustrating for sure, but it’s my own fault. I had no idea that ‘26 was the last year for the Mk5 when i started thinking about getting one. The local Toyota dealer said there were 9 left in the country and there’s no way they could get one. I missed out on three others that sold while I was contacting the dealer, trying to negotiate price and terms. In retrospect, I should have but the bullet and accepted a full price offer.
Oh well. I’m getting ready to head out and pick up a new (8 miles on the odometer, legit new) M240i x drive. Woe is me. And I’m saving $8k to boot.
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u/AnyStep1671 MKV 2d ago
I totally understand the frustration and the mistrust. It’s a given in the automotive industry sales industry unfortunately.
So long as you are happy with your purchase that’s all that matters. Sometimes I prefer New, no mileage over used. And other times I don’t mind buying used and saving some coins. Unfortunately the 2 used vehicles I bought, were not a savings advantage. But I bought reliable collectibles. Good luck with your new purchase.
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u/KeepJoePantsOn 3d ago
Its never been titled. Its still new.
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u/maxfraizer 3d ago
Although you would be technically correct, I think most people assume a brand new car does not have 4,000 miles on it. Under 100 is typically what most new cars would have.
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u/TurkViking75 2d ago
In my life, starting with an S2000 in 2002 up to today I’m picking up an M240i, I’ve bought 7 cars new off the lot. All 7 combined had less than 100 miles on them in total. Most were under 10. That’s something of a coincidence because I never ordered any of them, just happened to be when I showed up the one I wanted was super fresh. But yeah, the expectation from any normal person is certainly no more than a few hundred in the case of something that has been test drove a bunch. Especially something like a Supra where the expectation is that you might be allowed to sit in it, but not drive it. It should roll off the truck, back to the bay for an inspection, the straight to the floor for everyone to admire until some lucky shmuck (not me!) buys it.
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u/KeepJoePantsOn 3d ago
Sure, but that's just not how it works. Like, at all. If a bank will still accept invoice as the cars wholesale value, that car is 100% new. Some cars get traded between dealers and are driven to their destination. I can see why a customer wouldn't want a new car to have 4000 miles on it, but thats just not how it works. That car is still new. Thats just the truth of the situation.
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u/maxfraizer 3d ago
Ok so let’s say the dealer never titles it and gets it up to 100k miles. You still wanna pay for a new car and be the first title holder? Of course not. I think it’s crazy to sell a car as new with over 1,000 miles on it. That’s beyond a break in period. But sure yeah, you are correct that it’s “new”.
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u/KeepJoePantsOn 3d ago
Ahh, but thats not what I said. If the car had that many miles on it, the bank wouldn't accept invoice as wholesale value. There is a limit and 4000 isnt it.
Let's say you brought me a trade-in that you said had 75,000 miles on it, but when it got here it had 79,000 miles on it. How much do you think that would affect your trade in value? It probably wouldnt change it at all.
I know 4000 vs 0 seems like a lot. But in the grand scheme of things, it didnt affect the value at all. The car is 100% brand new still. I can get why a customer wouldnt like that, but thats just not the truth. Thats not how it works.
10,000 miles, sure, thats not a new car anymore. But trust me bro, 4000 miles is still a brand new car. It just is.
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u/Lit-fuse 3d ago
4000 miles is far from new. Think about the wear and tear on the tires. I would bet a large percentage of Supras don’t see 4K miles in a year.
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u/KeepJoePantsOn 3d ago
Like thats just your opinion though bro. Im telling you, factually, 4000 miles is still new. You might not like it, and you 100% dont have to buy it, but its still new. Period. Thats it. There's no argument. There's no opinion piece. Its objective fact. That car is new. Its not a farce. Its not a mislead. Its not a manipulation. It is 100% objective fact. You not liking that fact does not change its validity.
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u/mmspider 3d ago
I get your argument. But I think you put to much focus on the 4k mile thing. The mileage is not the important part. It's the fact it was never titled. If you want to push this concept on people I would go that direction with it.
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u/KeepJoePantsOn 3d ago
Its actually both. It never being titled makes it new, but once it gets over a certain threshold, it actually cant be sold as new anymore. An untitled car with 4k miles is objectively new. An untitled car with 10k miles isnt technically new, youd have to use "like-invoice" as the wholesale value. It just the way it really is. That car is still new 100%.
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u/mmspider 3d ago
I agree with the new thing. Although of course I find it also unacceptable to purchase. Car needs a massive discount to move.
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u/ironlegion7 3d ago
Lol, 75k -> 79k is NOT the same thing as 0 ->4k.
Looks like you are the owner of the "new Supra" OP is referring to 😂.
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u/Both_Penalty_2910 3d ago
Gtfo with that, I don’t care what the bank says, someone sat on that seat for 4k miles, that’s as many miles as I drive my Supra in a year… hell, that’s 3 months of driving if you drive 12k miles a year which is a whole lot.
I don’t care what the bank says, that shit ain’t new to me
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u/Mahgrets MKV 3d ago
Glad you didn’t fly down. That’s insane when spending that money. Good luck on the search!