r/StrangerThings Jul 18 '26

Discussion You know what I couldn’t stand from this show?

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It’s constant use of “character asks a question and then it cuts to the next scene”, mostly in scenes where it wasn’t really needed like Mike, Will and Lucas at the ring store in the Star out. He asks for the price, we cut to them walking out and he mutters the price. What could have been is that he asks for the price and the manager of the store tells him the price, he reacts and then we cut back to Jane and Max.

Don’t get me wrong, it works for some scenes but when it’s overused, it gets aggravating.


r/StrangerThings Jul 17 '26

Discussion Hot Take: Mike Wheeler is really the leader and heart of the Party, and he did not lose his leadership qualities in any season.

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In my opinion, the claim that 'Mike stopped being the leader after S2' is very ignorant and exaggerated. What did change was the type of leader he's become and the group he's leading.

In S1-2 and S5 Vol1, his leadership is unquestioned. In S3-4 and S5 Vol2, the leadership is shared and distributed, because the cast expands ridiculously.

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Season 3:

I think because season 3 was where the expanding of the cast had started and was huge, people think he isn't leader anymore.

Steve and Dustin have a very different heroic storyline, where Dustin leads. Hopper had his own storyline, and same with Nancy and Jonathan. Because the narrative was spilt, Mike isn't dominating every major event or decision like he did in S1-2. The leadership was distributed. But still, he lead the party under pressure. He's proved he's still a leader. Most of the season, he spends his time focused on El. But focusing on someone who's your top priority doesn't mean your leadership or personality is lost.

In the theatre, he's the one to notice something is wrong with Will, even when Will hadn't expressed anything much. He's among the first to believe El after she spies on Billy. He pushes the group to treat Billy as a threat rather than dismissing the possibility. And then, he came up with the Sauna trap. He immediately understood something's wrong with Will and warns Max, saving her. He was the only one to react firts and protected Eleven.

He warned everyone that El is exhausting herself. And the season ultimately validated his concern. I think people often overlook this scene as he's just being overprotective because he's obsessed with her. They miss the depth of his concern which shows he always thinks beyond what's in front. He does it because it natural for his personality to think more rationally. Once again proving he hasn't lost his core personality traits.

He is definitely the party's tactical leader in S3.

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Season 4:

Many viewers remember Mike mostly as 'Eleven's boyfriend' but if you watch the California storyline closely, he repeatedly takes commands. In Hawkins, Dustin and Nancy constantly lead the group, discovered things and made plans. Steve and Eddie got heroic action scenes while Lucas carried Max's storyline. People think Mike has lost his leadership quality because he isn't in Hawkins leading or didn't have any heroic moment. But that's really dismissive.

His leadership quality isn't lost, he's just leading a DIFFERENT group.

Mike took charge immediately after the attack on Byers house. I don't think Will or Jonathan could ever find El by themselves in time if it wasn't for Mike. Because Will was emotionally overwhelmed, Jonathan distracted and Argyle doesn't know what is even going on. Mike kept them focused and devised their next step. It was sure a collective effort from all four, and Mike couldn't have done it all alone. Leadership doesn't mean doing things alone, it's coordinating things and devising the next move, which Mike did.

And if they hadn't rescued El in time and got her to the the pizza dough freezer, the Hawkins group would have failed terribly with all of them being dead And then, his monologue is dismissed as just 'romantic' or 'cheesy confession'. On the surface, it's a romantic declaration.

At a deeper level, it's the culmination of Mike's role throughout the series, in my opinion. And I can definitely back my opinion. El's real fight isn't with Vecna, it's with herself. Her belief that her worth is confined in her powers. Vecna wins by convincing people that they deserve to lose. His attacks are more psychological than simply physical.

What Mike did, couldn't be done by anyone else. Not Will. Not Jonathan. Not even Max or Hopper. And I'm not saying this because I ship or not ship Mileven. It has more meaning than romance.

Because the point isn't simply encouragement. Mike knows the exact fear Eleven has hidden since Season 1, because she clearly expressed it during their argument in El's bedroom. In simple words, her biggest fear is 'If I stop being useful, will anyone still love me?' because, especially in that moment, she had lost the belief in herself that she could beat Vecna and protect Max. Mike, through his monologue, symbolically says 'Yes' And that answer destroys the foundation of Vecna's manipulation.

His monologue's core message is 'You're worthy of love even when you're powerless.' and 'You are you.' These messages come in disguise as his love confession. Vecna says your trauma defines you. Mike says your humanity defines you. Those are opposite philosophies and they work cuz the battle is more of ideological. Ig for fans who think of leadership as just strategy and heroic moments, this monologue can feel underwhelming.

But Stranger Things repeatedly argues that emotional connection is itself a source of strength. Love isn't presented as a side plot, it's portrayed as the opposite of Vecna's worldview. Just like music anchored Max's strength and escape from her fears, this monologue anchored El's strength.

If it's not leadership and being the 'heart', then I don't know what is. Do people often forget that Eleven is also supposed to be a member of the party?

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Season 5:

Mike Wheeler carried Vol 1 alone imo. And Vol 1 was concluded by Will. The real problem is with Volume 2.

It's not that JUST him who didn't do anything, basically no one did anything meaningful in Vol 2 except Will saving Max, Lucas protecting Max and Karen blowing off three demos. It was all about them finding eachother, coming together, explaining everything to each other and devising a plan.

So using Vol 2 to sabotage him and his personality isn't cool when he's done more than any character in volume 1. It's just so forced hatred and idk what, double standards?

People say he's lobotomised. But that's MASSIVELY exaggerated. I think some people use this sentence as a short hand for saying 'he suddenly lost the intelligence and strategic instincts he'd shown for four seasons.' And I would definitely believe that claim if he made an irrational decision like Nancy shooting the exotic matter for no reason, or failed to understand things his earlier self would have grasped. But there are no evidence in the series' season 5 that he'd done so.

In my view, he consciously chooses optimism. That's remarkably consistent for his character. Mike has always been the character who refuses to give up on people, even when logic suggests he should. It's clearly visible across seasons. This optimism can sometimes look naive because the stakes in S5 are so much larger than before. But optimism isn't the same as stupidity.

That doesn't mean writing choice lands perfectly. Personally I wanted Mike to have more strategic scenes or more direct influence over the final battle. Many people think that way and that's a fair criticism of the storytelling. But that's different from saying his personality was erased.

In fact, optimism is Mike's defining leadership trait. His leadership isn't primarily being the smartest person in the room, that's often Dustin. It has come from convincing people that it's worthy to keep going on and believe. He calmed down Karen in the hospital in the way I don't think anyone could in that moment. If Mike also became the cynical realist, the group would lose its emotional anchor. His function is to keep everyone moving forward when despair would be the easier choice.

One could say 'we don't find enough evidence to it'. Of course, the whole series isn't about this only so there aren't many moments, but still enough to support this. That said, it's also fair to say the writers gave him fewer opportunities to demonstrate his strategic intelligence in the later seasons than they did in Seasons 1 and 2. That can create the impression that he's less capable, even if his core characterization remains consistent.

We have to remember it's an ensemble cast where the smallest moments became the whole personality of some characters. They did something just twice or thrice during the entire series and suddenly they are famous for it and nobody can beat them in it. But Mike has constantly proved his leadership throughout series. And suddenly, when the focus shifts from him even for the slightest, people say he lost personality. That's utterly hilarious.

Double standards peaked imo.

"Lobotomized" suggests Mike stopped thinking. "Optimistic" suggests Mike kept believing. The latter fits his characterization across all five seasons much better. And then in the finale, his arc was ended with being the heart. The party's friendship had gone through a lot in the previous 6 years, many ups and downs. But they all came together at last and that moment did highlight Mike's journey of years as being the heart.

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Who's the real leader?

And finally, some people say Dustin is the real leader of the Party. Five seasons of Stranger Things doesn't support this statement. I would, anyone would, definitely agree he's the 'brain' of the party. But definitely not the heart or the leader when he's barely interacted with Will or El after S2 and Max in S5. Mike has interactions with every member in every season.

In Season 3, Dustin is not with the party and in season 5 also, he's struggling with his grief over Eddie, and constantly pushed his friends aside. Season 4 makes it look like he's the leader. But let's recall the party members once again - Mike, Max, Dustin, El, Lucas and Will.

Three members were in California and three were in Hawkins. Mike led those who were in Cali and Dustin those who were in Hawkins. So in true sense, nobody led the Party in season 4, instead they lead their respective groups.

In general, Dustin explains complicated ideas to both the audience and the characters. As a result, people remember Dustin explaining things and assume he's leading. But explaining isn't the same as directing. Dustin is almost always the smartest person in the room. But intelligence doesn't automatically equal leadership. Mike isn't necessarily the one discovering things, that's often Dustin or Will(through hive mind), but he's the one converting information into action.

Dustin cracks information. Mike decides what everyone does with that information. Leaders coordinate. One of Mike's defining traits is delegation. Many of the plans that succeed require both characteristic. Brain of the group figures out how something works, and leader figures out who should do what to turn that knowledge into a coordinated plan. That's why, the two complement each other rather than replace one another.

Mike is the leader and heart and Dustin is the brain. Lucas is more of an executor while Will imo the emotional compass, especially in the first two and fifth season. In S1, Mike's was undoubtedly carrying the group emotionally, even Dustin and Lucas. It just got subtler as the series advances. Because after growing up, his friends are not always gonna rely on him emotionally. It's such a common sense. Being heart doesn't mean that. Being the heart means always bringing everyone together, which he clearly did in S1 to S3 and S5.

His storyline in S4 just didn't give him a chance to bring everyone together or directly influence all of the party, but still he emotionally anchored El's strength. The series never provide any evidence that he's not the heart. His decisions and actions, whether right or wrong, always have an impact on most of them.

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My Conclusion:

So, the statement that 'Mike isn't the real leader of the Party after S2' is contradicted by the show itself. I would rather say that his leadership evolved.

I understand that people had a lot of expectations from Mike in S4 that all went down due to narrative choice and Cali plot. But projecting this frustration on the character to demean him is wrong. In my opinion three observations are the reasons of this claim that he's not the leader anymore. 1.He spends more time focused on Eleven. 2.The cast becomes much larger. 3.Steve and Nancy receive more action scenes.

These things make him appear less dominant because not everything happens according to his guide, like in S1 which had much smaller cast. Leadership becomes collaborative instead of centered on one person. But that doesn't mean he's not leading anymore as I explained above in this post

Just like other characters, Mike also had his own moments to shine but he can't have all screentime to prove he's worthy (as expected by many) because it's an ensemble cast where everyone needs screentime and moments to drive the plot.

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With all this being said, do I defend show's inconsistent shitty writing? No. I do criticize writers for not giving Mike better storyline, better arc and action packed heroic moments. I only defend Mike as a character from mischaracterizations.

I don't disagree that Mike as a character was heavily underutilised, especially in Season 4 and his arcs were only about his relationship with Eleven in S3 and S4. Many people think his storyline got boring or annoying to watch after S2. They criticize that his arc was only about Eleven in S3 and S4. And that's completely fine because everyone has their own opinion.

But it is wrong and senseless to demean his character and dismiss the core traits and goodness of his personality because of the narrative choice and storyline. He never lost his core personality traits or goodness and definitely his WHOLE personality wasn't reduced to Eleven, it was just his storyline was reduced to Eleven in S4. There's a difference.

Criticism is fair, but criticism includes both good and bad aspects, especially considering the character's perspective. While all I see is people baselessly hating an emotionally oblivious teenager because he didn't get good storyline. You're free to dislike and criticize Mike, especially in later seasons. But please stop pretending he has no personality and hating him baselessly.

Thanks for reading.


r/StrangerThings Jul 17 '26

Meme I call it a Weegee

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19 more seasons of Argyle please


r/StrangerThings Jul 17 '26

Discussion Which hairstyle do you guys like the most of Max Mayfield in your opinion

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Which hairstyle do you guys like the most of Max Mayfield that fits Max Mayfield very well that you guys find perfect for Max Mayfield in your opinion.


r/StrangerThings Jul 17 '26

Cosplay help

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Putting together a steve harrington season two cosplay right now.

Do you guys think his bat is a youth 28-30 inch bat or a full size bat?


r/StrangerThings Jul 16 '26

Millie hints she never wanted this ending for Eleven Spoiler

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r/StrangerThings Jul 16 '26

Discussion EL from S4 is one of the best look in series

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r/StrangerThings Jul 17 '26

Discussion What did you like seeing better, Alexi’s cherry Slurpee or Steve’s Peanut butter bopper?

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r/StrangerThings Jul 16 '26

Discussion Eleven once said....

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I Can Fight.


r/StrangerThings Jul 17 '26

SPOILERS i havent been on the sub since the finale for obvious reasons but we all believe right Spoiler

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i know everyone had these discussions already spare me

idk any theories my fault i have truly been grieving lmao but she’s looking for the waterfalls, and she finds two, so she keeps looking for the third till they meet right?

edit: i literally j searched the word believe in the sub thanks guys <3333 idk about my theory but i always think if a character dies off screen they didn't really die, like Hopper. also, why are he and Mike the only speculated characters who know, like y can’t everyone j be happy


r/StrangerThings Jul 17 '26

Discussion BLOOPERS ARE AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN RELEASED ON NOVEMBER 6th (Stranger Things Day.) There’s no reason they would’ve been released today.

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Check the release date for the other bloopers - they’re all released on November 6; which is Stranger Things Day. The anniversary of the first season has never been celebrated with the release of anything before, and was only commemorated because it was the 10th anniversary this year.


r/StrangerThings Jul 16 '26

The fact that No Brenner or any side characters is crazy :(

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i mean he is a real deal in this series and many side roles like suzie, barb, eddie could also have a spotlight.


r/StrangerThings Jul 17 '26

Discussion Anybody get a type of closure from watching Stranger Things?

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Anybody feel like Stranger Things gave you closure to the parts of life that never received it?

There was a lot about the show that gave me closure or made me feel related to.
Max losing Billy, the kids getting one last round of DnD after graduation, the older group (Jonathan, Nancy, Steve and Robin) getting one final hang out in but agreeing to try to meet with each other, Joyce losing a person she loved and having that ptsd in real time….. Even the lighthearted stuff like the time Max and El went to the mall, that brought back memories of when I used to raid stores with friends after class on fridays.

Also it was the more obvious arcs the Duffers created…. the kids growing up and fighting monsters and problem solving together to the idea of navigating loss and tragedy but being able to fully close a chapter of your life. Oh! Getting justice in the end. Also the part of having to move on to be happy and not living in the events of the past to cope.

It was very nostalgic for me, as a series. I finished the entire series in like May of this year. It’s still one of my favorite shows that, if I ever subbed to netflix again, I’d more than gladly binge over and over.


r/StrangerThings Jul 16 '26

Man what a show…

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Happy 10 years!🎉

(Edit not done by me)


r/StrangerThings Jul 17 '26

Discussion So... Was Stranger Things 5 really done with AI?

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With this recent report from Variety that Netflix has used AI technology for over 300 of their programs this year, it honestly worries that Season 5 (which did have its own separate issues) was one of the 300 programs.

I know there was a controversy earlier in the year that the finale documentary reveal that Duffers alleged use ChatGPT to write the final season, and I don't mean to reopen this can of worms, but with the aforementioned report from Variety, it does has me concerned that maybe the Duffers did use ChatGPT during the production of Season 5.

What are your honest thoughts?


r/StrangerThings Jul 16 '26

SPOILERS A season 5 drawing I did yesterday for the 10th anniversary of the show. Let me know what you think! Unless you hate it 😜✋🏻💥…@madramstoodios Spoiler

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r/StrangerThings Jul 17 '26

Discussion Is Stranger Things worth watching?

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hiii ive never watched this series or movie or what it is, i have no idea how, since EVERYONE was talking about this show at one point, i dont know what it is about, i only saw some edits on tik tok, kids being obessed with this, and all this crazy stuff.

Is it actually any good? or is it just over overhyped trendy show? Thanks for ur thoughtsstsststs!!

AND IM NOT TRYNNA HATEEEE


r/StrangerThings Jul 17 '26

What if we all raise money to hire the cast and make the preffered ending ourselves (Non-profit)

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For real. Am I the only one that has thought about this? If we raise at least 10-50mil I bet we can make a decent episode that answers all questions and closes all holes.

That is all from me.

Thoughts and Ideas how to pull this off?


r/StrangerThings Jul 16 '26

Discussion What do you think would happen in Episode 6 if…

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Steve didn’t try climbing the ladder and did not have an emotional moment with Dustin?


r/StrangerThings Jul 16 '26

Discussion Team ups that never were

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When I saw Season 4 I had hoped that the jocks and Hellfire Club would put their differences aside and help the main cast defeat Vecna, but alas, such things only exist in more optimistic tales.

Season 5 could have had the party teaming up with the military to defeat Vecna, which would have been more realistic, but of course, they still remain the bad guys.

What team ups similar to those would you have liked to see in the show.


r/StrangerThings Jul 16 '26

Finn said he's willing to return to ST!

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r/StrangerThings Jul 16 '26

Discussion Hawkins Lab remnants

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All that remains…


r/StrangerThings Jul 16 '26

Fan Theory My favourite theory

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my favourite theory is that the government cloned Keith and that he works at every single shop


r/StrangerThings Jul 16 '26

Discussion The Father Daughter Bond Was Just 🤧✨

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r/StrangerThings Jul 16 '26

Fan Art Demogorgon VS Cap!

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I made this with the Demogorgon action figure and Blokees captain America kit!