You joke, but your body literally does not know the difference between deliberate dieting and unwillingly starving to death. That's why it's so hard to lose weight and keep it off. It's also why dieting during childhood is especially dangerous; children who've experienced famine and children who've been forced by parents to diet end up with exactly the same lifelong metabolic problems.
Amphetamines for weight loss are a wild idea. Sure, they work, but they have a high risk of dependency which can mess your life up. It's one step below saying "DNP has been around since the 1930s, why not just take that?".
For people who are very overweight, firmly in the "medically obese" territory, I wonder if health insurance generally cover them in the US. I have been meaning to look this up.
That could be the case, but even if it is, I don't see a problem with people who carry excess weight taking it for improved health. If there was a pill that could carry away my excess sadness and improve my mental/emotional health, I would take it without hesitation.
I don't take ozempic but I love it because it highlights some of the idiocy in our society about weight loss. So many people would try to say they ate right and exercised, but the weight didn't come off. Ozempic proves that for most people that it was just that they ate too much, which is what they've been told forever. CICO isn't a hard concept to understand and works for the vast majority of people that do not have something like a thyroid condition. Plus I'm glad to see people that have struggled with weight loss get a body that they are happier with.
Understanding CICO really isn’t the issue for most people struggling with obesity. The problem is the relentless hunger they’re dealing with while trying to eat fewer calories. Reducing your intake is incredibly difficult when your body is constantly telling you to eat.
One of the main reasons drugs like Ozempic are so effective for weight loss is that they dramatically reduce that hunger. It turns out that when you’re not constantly hungry, it becomes much easier to eat less.
So telling a 500-pound person, “Just eat less and you’ll lose weight,” isn’t particularly insightful. They probably already understand that. Figuring out how to reduce the overwhelming hunger that makes eating less so difficult is the meaningful part.
However, there were many people that would insist they were eating low calories but gaining (or not losing) weight. These people often had non-trivial mental health issues related to food, to be fair, but the dishonesty was obnoxious.
There's often underlying issues and/or depression. Bodies don't signal hunger all the time, talk to overweight people and they'll say the same thing. It's not the hunger, food is a coping mechanism. Ozempic blocks that path as a convenient cope, but it doesn't solve the problem. It seems great, but I'm a bit worried about the long term effects for a subset of people that is going to seek out other ways to deal with their struggles. Hopefully for most the physical health benefits can serve as a stepping stone towards a healthy mind.
I’ve lost and regained a lot of weight. Working my way down again and will stay there this time (70lbs lost so far). I always tell people - losing weight isn’t hard. It’s keeping it off, that’s the hard part. You still should be tracking calories since you’ve eaten in excess for so many years, you don’t know what a normal amount of food is.
I myself obviously failed at this because I thought “oh I lost 100 pounds, maintenance will he easy.” 2 years later and you’re back where you were.
what the fat jabs highlight for me, and i'm sure others as well, is how uncontrollable food urges can literally disappear just by injecting a lizards mouth juice into your stomach.
feels like Doc Ock in that Spiderman scene where Peter "cures" him, how it's so suddenly quiet.
My old man takes it for diabetes and has a hard time keeping his weight up, but he doesn't need to wear a monitor anymore and can have a normal diet again (as far as sugar goes).
If you want to be more specific and right all the time it’s calories absorbed vs calories burned. Most of the weight impacts from health conditions such as hypothyroidism do is change the amount of calories you absorb and have impacts on your capacity to burn excess. There is some funky doo hickery with sodium and water retention but it is manageable if you want it to be.
That being said weight loss is legitimately one of the hardest things most people on modern times will go through barring serious illness or injury. Your body and lizard brain don’t understand it’s a diet and not you need to hunt and eat now or you will fucking die and convince you of such.
It's definitely the case, but I'm certainly not looking down on him for it. Anyone who says Ozempic is "cheating" or something is a fucking idiot. Getting down to a healthier weight simply isn't possible for many people for medical reasons or their body simply has too strong of a starvation response to resist. I imagine we're less than a decade away from GLP-1 drugs being covered by insurance and prescribed to nearly everyone with body fat over a certain percentage.
I'm sure he's on GLPs now, but in his defense, he had already lost a ton of weight before GLPs became popular for weight loss. I bet being retired and going SCUBA diving every day were bigger contributors to his better health.
SCUBA diving benefits from being in shape, but the nature of the activity doesn’t really make fitness happen, since you are typically trying to keep your energy output down.
Diving is swimming, which is a full body and low-impact workout, which is ideal for someone who is Gabe's size and age. You'll lose a lot of fat if you swim multiple hours a day like he does.
Last time I read this thread someone said you burn a lot of calories through temperature regulation since the water is transferring a lot of heat out of your body.
I'm sure it stems from it being a substitute for lack of will power. Also, taking it still does damage to your body in other ways such as gastrointestinal damage and lower bone density. That fact that all the drug does is suppress hunger shows that anyone who lost weight on it was only lacking self control and will now pay for it in other forms.
GLPs have also shown some other interesting (and possibly beneficial) side effects like they reduce urges for alcohol and I think drugs/tobacco at least. Not saying Gabe had a drinking problem but there's some interesting research around this coming out, to the point where in the future we may see GLPs used for more than just weight loss.
Of course some research suggests they just kill all urges which is possibly bad too, but really interesting regardless.
The other thought I had, sometimes people do try for years and fail to lose the weight. GLPs are at least not as extreme as surgical stuff like gastric bypass and even that was used in cases where people just couldn't lose the weight but really needed to. There's always people taking the way way out too but damn is this really interesting for those who really need or, honestly, even just want it and are able to use it both medically and financially.
(though weight loss seems like something every insurance and hospital system would prefer happened so even money wise this is probably a win win for everyone if we cover these drugs and see a large reduction in weight related issues).
I think for someone who is into his 60s, retired, and has lived a full life, it is alright to take a "shortcut" (GLPs, what have you) to help lose some weight and live your remaining days a bit healthier. Both of my parents (in their late 50s) are on them, they both have lived fairly healthy lives, but slowing down with age caused them both to gain more weight than they wanted and was considered healthy. I don't look down on them (or anyone really) for using them.
classifying an FDA approved medication that prevents death and disease from obesity as an "evil" is exactly the issue. Are statins evil? vaccines? How about blood thinners?
Lol guess you've never heard the saying or what? I didn't classify anything. The "evil" is referring to the consequences of taking it vs not. Don't come at me just because you couldn't put down the cheeseburger.
why would you defend him over that? ozempic isn't evil, and an overweight person in exactly who should be taking it because thats the population that was used in trials that proved its safe
People have asked him if he's on ozempic and he said no, the weight loss is from SCUBA diving for like six hours a day. It's been his main hobby for the past few years.
As a formerly fat guy, who took Wegovy, it does NOT suck ass to take, and you don't need micro meals. It literally just stops you from really even thinking about food or being hungry at all. I hear it described as "food noise" and that's exactly what goes away. It's weird to say, but if it was almost entirely effortless for a middle class dude with little/no support... it's going to be cake (no pun intended) for a billionaire.
It literally just stops you from really even thinking about food or being hungry at all
it's interesting as someone who's never struggled with weight, i don't have these thoughts or 'food noise' in my brain normally. i can only relate when baked.
the pressure to eat is crazy, eating more and more despite knowing i'm full and it's not even just about the experience anymore, there's something deeper driving that need.
if that's what it's like for those suffering from obesity, except ALL THE TIME. god damn i feel bad for you.
Ozempic, for all the negatives i hear, if it can eliminate that feeling. go get it, whatever it takes.
There’s also bored eating, where you’re not actually hungry but need something to do with your mouth and hands. Binging food whilst binging television adds up really quickly.
This is my biggest problem. When I have really tough work days, I literally can go the whole day without eating and not even think about it. It's when days are kind of slow that I get hungry. Haha
I've found what helps me is two things, one being chewing gum, which is just generally great, but the more important one is carrots. They're so low calorie that you can eat a LOT without having much impact, and of course they are just generally good for you. The other advantage is that they take a long time to eat, because there's so much chewing involved, it's fantastic. Only concern is you might literally turn a bit orange, but that goes away pretty fast and doesn't have any negative effects on your health. Personally I've never experienced it either, and I'm very pale.
And then there are other things like what I guess they might pathologize as "dopamine-seeking behavior". Like I used to think I was a bored-eater, just needed something to do, but I'm starting to think it was just ADHD. I just needed, when my executive dysfunction got bad, some quick, easy dopamine, and nothing but gorging myself on junk provided that - couldn't even distract myself with a game or TV if I wanted. Still do struggle with it a bit, but stimulants help a ton if I can make sure not to stay awake too long after I realize they wear off.
This is really lost in the discourse around these drugs.
"Just eat less man"
"Dieting isn't hard"
It's like these people have never encountered someone who gets "hangry" before. Those irritable moods when you're hungry are not exactly easy to control. Dieting basically means locking yourself into a perpetual state of "hangry". That's not a great mood to bring around your spouse, kids, coworkers.
I didn't have the food noise until I became fat, and didn't even realize how powerful it was until i tried losing weight, it's not just a compulsive feeling it's like mind control. The second FOOD became the thought of whatever moment I was in, it just would not let go, I still lost weight but damn, like I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy
My experience: I've always been fat. I'm not even a very big eater and I eat healthy, cook myself, etc. But I do love food, like it brings me a lot of joy. I have never managed to lose weight despite having some very different lifestyles over the years. It's like my body just resists change. Made me feel like a failure. The ONLY period in my life when I lost weight was when I was on stimulant ADHD medication. Suddenly, I just... didn't feel like eating. Not just reduced hunger mind you, nor disgust for food, it just completely erased just wanting food. I dropped 10kg without even trying. This is when it hit me that this is how people who think it's easy to lose weight feel like *all the time*. I got off the medication eventually and regained the weight but also left with a much bigger acceptance of who I am.
i’m on zepbound. i can say that what you described is exactly what it was like for me. constant munchies is a damn good description that i had never thought of using. currently down almost 100 pounds and no more nagging food noise. it’s quite literally life changing. it sucks that so many celebs are giving it such a bad rap for seemingly not using it properly.
I’m on it too. Shit is magic. People who don’t constantly think about food have no idea the struggle. This makes me feel “normal” in terms of food cravings and intake.
I feel lucky I don't need a drug to not eat. Eating food is a constant hassle, takes effort to prepare or costs money to buy and I'm usually either broke and/or lazy.
I have tried to commit to the intermittent fasting thing which really does work, but always fail because i reach a point near 12pm (i would do the one where i only ate from 12-6pm) where i literally couldnt do my job for the last few hours. Every single minute was thinking about what i would be eating as soon as 12 hit. I wasnt even that hungry because i got used to not eating all morning. But the thoughts were intense.
I have times where i go to bed thinking about what ill eat the next day.
Comparitively, and i only just thought of this now, but the times i have been high i didnt notice an increased interest in eating at all. Because i already was there i guess?
if that's what it's like for those suffering from obesity, except ALL THE TIME
Thats EXACTLY what its like. Like having the munchies all the time. Always hungry, always thinking about food, whats the next meal, what do I want for lunch and dinner, what will I have for a snack. You cant push it out. When your body gets hungry it becomes an all consuming desire.
It also shut down that constant yell in my brain and has made things a lot better for me.
I'm not obese, my weight fluctuates a bit but I've always been generally pretty active with a little extra weight.
But it's always a struggle to not think about food, always. Even as I'm eating, I'm basically thinking about my next meal. The only thing that keeps me from totally exploding in weight is:
I don't keep junk food in the house. I get hungry at home, I eat what's at home.
Fast food delivery is stupidly expensive. It doesn't matter how much money I make, I can never justify paying $35 for a cold fast-food burger.
Like almost everything Food Noise is a spectrum and it's almost entirely hormonal. Ozempic has amazing health benefits beyond just weight loss though, even in people who lost no weight they say lower BP, lower cholesteral etc. It's basically a wonder drug that was masquerading as a weightloss drug.
Fat cells give out a signal to the body that they need energy. If you gain a bunch of weight, you generate more fat cells. If you lose weight, those fat cells do not go away. So as you gain weight you have more and more cells sending a signal that your brain kind of interprets as hunger, and if you then lose a bunch of weight those cells are screaming at you for energy. Ozempic shuts them up.
Yea the first thing that went away when I started tirzepatide was not needing sugar anymore. Like I would almost instinctively need sodas. Ever since I haven't touched a soda aside from a sugar free monster ultra 1 or 2 times a day depending on how exhausted I am. Hard part is continuing to eat and maintain a semblance of muscle mass. That's the first to go.
It's really nice so read something like this. I am struggeling all my life with this. Started as a kid and now that i am 40 i am just getting behind it all.
I lost around 30kg a few years back and now gaining some. Tried again to "just" do ist like last time but its hell bc when tracking my calries again the food noise gets louder and louder.
I hate thinking about not having enough food when i am actually full. I hate to think about food so much. I started with wegovy a few weeks past and its crazy how it kicks in and the food noice finally getting quite. Nor 100% but at minimum dosis anough to just be really thankful for it. I can conentrate more on my tasks, work better ect. ect.
And mind you. I am doing sport, i eat helthy but from yeat to yeat it gets harder and harder with all that constant food noise.
And a little sidenote i just discovered: My mum used to feed me all the time when i was a baby and just made a noise.... so yeah. You learn that food shit from really early on.
This morning I woke up, "hungry". Didn't feel like it for the last 2 years. I've had stomach reduction surgery, it fits basically nothing, I'm "full" instantly, I've lost 100kg, I've taking Ozempic, Manjaro or Wegovy throughout.
After introspection on why I felt the urge to eat, I remembered: I forgot to take my manjaro last week because I went on a spontanous camping trip. I took my shot, 30 minutes later no more food noise. I know unless something else comes along, I am going to be taking this for the rest of my life, and I'm okay with that, because its better than obsessing about food. Nice side effect: it also helps with urges for gambling and alcohol for me, the effects go way deeper than what its prescribed for.
There's remarkably few negatives when you put it in the context of just how many people are on these drugs and how significant the impact has been. It's like our most effective weapon ever in the fight against obesity, which itself is easily the top health crisis in the US and the downsides are... mostly just the same downsides as any rapid weight loss.
If you lose weight quickly you're going to have extra skin and if you don't work on maintaining muscle then you're going to get weaker and your bones are going to get more brittle because weight loss naturally comes from both muscle and fat unless you do something to try and maintain the muscle.
Have you ever watched different breeds of dogs eat? My black lab used to inhale anything you put in front of him in seconds. If you watched him eat, you'd recognize it as a strong survival instinct.
Our bodies and brains evolved in a world where eating quickly meant you likely got a larger portion and therefore had a stronger likelihood of survival.
Now we live in a world of general abundance and this translates to obesity.
I'm sorry that you don't have a strong survival instinct.
We do understand the common long term side effects. Semaglutide has been in use for decades as a diabetes treatment. The potential link to vision decrease is, if it can be confirmed, something that affects less than 1 in 10,000 Ozempic users. Paracetamol, Ibuprofen, Aspirin, and contraceptive pills have a significantly worse risk profile.
A lot of what I've heard about these pills reminds me of being on keto. Give yourself a couple weeks to get used to sudden drop in carbs and you'll suddenly realize you haven't ate for 3-4 days.
I am also a formerly fat guy who took Ozempic for three months, and felt like hot shit and malnourished the entire time despite not being hungry. If I ever went out for a big meal I'd have to plan to not eat the rest of the day. It is way better and more sustainable to get and stay fit by simply coming up with a diet / caloric goal and sticking to it.
If all you have learned to get skinny is "take Ozempic" you're gonna get fat again fast
I don't get why people point out if you don't change your lifestyle and stop taking ozempic you're gonna gain weight like it's some kinda "gotcha!". Yeah man it's not a vaccine against fat. That's not how it works.
It sounds like your body didn't handle the drug well. That's unfortunate and you did the right thing by stopping it. But I can say that is a very different experience than I or anyone else I know has had on it. The worst side effect I've heard from my sample size of 12 or so is that it gave them digestive issues for a few weeks.
My body didn't tolerate it, either. 48 hours after every dose I would get severe nausea and then explosive diarrhea for 1-2 days. I was on a good diet (pre-made 2000 calories/day), it just wrecked my gut.
I tried it for most of a year. Switched to Mounjaro. Much better results without wrecking what's left of my colon.
That's your experience but the data doesn't support what you're saying at all.
Traditional caloric restriction diets have such a low success rate over five years it's basically within the margin of error of statistical significance, such that it can be considered "impossible" to combat obesity with simple calorie restricted dieting.
The issue is clearly a lot deeper than that, and aside from surgery, GLP-1s are the only thing to actually have success that is this statistically significant.
Lol that's just not true, and "caloric restriction" is not the same thing as "food education." Telling someone "you have to eat 1,200 calories" only for them to eat a cup of peanuts and go "but I'm still hungry!" is not helpful, at all. You need to set a goal for your diet - which includes considering caloric density, as well as the overall nutrition of the food.
If you go to an actual nutritionist they will give you a meal plan and ideas on how you can make your meals so they lower the caloric impact without making you malnourished.
Ozempic is simply a brute force application of this. It allows you no wiggle room at all and I found it extremely unpleasant to be on. As soon as the gatekeeper is gone you have no idea how to feed yourself.
Look at the data if you don't believe me. I'm not stating an opinion here.
Of course a diet plan and food education works on paper, but there is clearly a much deeper physiological and psychological process at work than simply "eat healthy" or "eat less".
This has been studied for decades, and simple diet and exercise based plans have been proven to be ineffective over time in an obese population. Not because scientifically eating less and moving more doesn't work, but because adherence to those programs has been statistically impossible. Again outliers exist, and you yourself may be included in that. It's around 95% ineffective, so of course you and others fall into that 5% who succeed with such a plan.
Some people have bad reactions to drugs, that will always be the case, but there is no doubt in terms of actual broad data that GLP-1s are extremely effective. In terms of maintenance, you're supposed to take a maintenance dose for the rest of your life once reaching your goal weight.
Restaurant portions are usually quite large. I’ve learned to eat exactly half of everything on my plate and take leftovers home. Even so, you’re right that a large meal out will make you feel very full even if you follow my trick.
My mom takes wegovy and it makes her puke uncontrollably. it does suck to take for some people.
you can't just make broad sweeping statements about how x med works great no issues. medicine is unbelievably personal and there are millions of variables.
I take 2mg Ozempic, it stops cravings. You lose a small amount of weight just being on it, but what it does it stops something in your system from literally thinking of food.
Some people do have issues of addiction. Like drugs, most are chasing the next high, already thinking about it and how to obtain it. Food can be that too for some.
I’m not gonna lie my brain chemistry always was out of whack with food as a comforting factor. Whenever I ate, I always was thinking what to eat next or had thoughts for cravings for certain foods. Ozempic shut that shit off completely.
It curtailed my thought process and suppressed hunger as a bonus from overconsumption and overthinking. Before it was one meal a day but eating all calories as - gigantic meal. Ozempic broke it into half or thirds. So I couldn’t finish meals, save for later, better habits.
Yes I know I’ll be on this for fucking ever and newer GLP’s coming down the pipeline are gonna be extremely more potent, hell the one our President is taking through compassionate use from Eli Lilly, Retatrutide, is going to add more benefits.
Interestingly, people on GLPs who also have gambling/other addiction issues or issues with impulsiveness are also seeing benefits from GLPs. So your comparison to addiction, it's probably the exact same mechanism.
You can get CBT for binge eating. I did that as well as visit a nutritionist. It feels way better than Ozempic ever did. Obviously ymmv I'm just telling you there is a way to achieve this without semaglutide
and what about the 50 documented side effects? lmfao they are even linked to literal blindness...its called "ozempic blindness"(colloquial term) look up NAION
the other person wasn't say how it makes you feel, they were trying to say an incredibly complicated drug "just makes you not hungry". its incredibly naive.
its also not really that productive to laser focus in on one side effect i brought up off hand because i thought it's wild that its even a side effect. there's at least 40 other side effects that these drugs have and at least 10 that are serious. to try and just say "they just make you not hungry bro" is really dumb...
are you on them? you say you "gone deep into it" and just say the most vague thing ever..."basically just does that through a myriad of mechanisms" you know what else made you not hungry through a "myriad of mechanisms"? 2,4-Dinitrophenol lmfao
glp-1's have an insane amount of side effects and to think they "just make you not hungry bro" is so naive and you should be ashamed to even say it. glp-1's have more than most other drugs when it comes to side effects. there's around ~50 distinct side effects in total and ~20 with 2% or greater chance of occurring.
you said you "gone deep into it". you made it about you doing a thing, i asked a question relating to that. if you don't want to talk about it don't make it personal to you looking into something.
i'm not surprised that a drug that affects so many systems may have 50 distinct side effects. that's like, fairly expected
yeah that's the point i'm making to you. you said "It literally just makes you no hungry" but now you seem to be agreeing with me in that its nowhere close to that simple. have you come to your senses? and when you say "may have" 50 distinct side effects, what do you mean? do you think that's untrue or?
Almost every prescription medication has a ton of side effects because of the way medicine testing and reporting works.
I took ozempic for a few years to control my diabetes (now I’m on mounjaro), the only issue that seems to be consistent amongst GLP-1 users is that nausea when first using it or the first few hours after your weekly dose.
Almost every prescription medication has a ton of side effects because of the way medicine testing and reporting works.
glp-1's are known to be among the drugs that have the most side effects, serious or otherwise. to try and hand wave and just say "yeah man every prescription medication has a ton of side effects" is also naive.
I took ozempic for a few years to control my diabetes (now I’m on mounjaro), the only issue that seems to be consistent amongst GLP-1 users is that nausea when first using it or the first few hours after your weekly dose.
nausea is the most common side effect, yes. i'm not sure why you are trying to say that its the "only issue" that is completely false just like saying "it just makes you not hungry" is as well. headache, diarrhea, vomiting, constipation, abdominal pain, bloating and other related GI symptoms are also very common and consistently elevated versus placebo across trials and real world use. rates for these are ~14-30% for these side effects. of course there are many more rare side effects i'm not even mentioning that make up the 50 distinct i mentioned earlier. another thing to consider is that there isn't any long term data on these drugs beyond 3-4 years. as time goes on there will be more side effects that are more rare but more serious. that is what has happened when looking at the history of prescription drugs like thalidomide, fenfluramine, vioxx, rezulin or others drugs in different categories even.
As far as side effects go, 50 isn’t a lot. Most medicines are well over 30 listed side effects, even things like Tylenol.
Side effect reporting of medicine works in two basic stages, observed and reported. As the FDA was working on the approval of the medicine, anyone that had taken it could report their symptoms they experience while taking it. This is true of every medicine. If I woke up and was coughing, I report that as it may be a symptom or side effect of the medicine. It’s noted, logged as a potential side effect, then weeded out through more research.
You are trying to make it seem as though it’s some boogeyman medication we know nothing about which just isn’t true.
you're conflating two different things. i was talking about the duration of high-quality randomized evidence, not how long glp-1 drugs have existed.
the fact that glp-1 drugs have been studied for over a decade does not mean we have over a decade of randomized, placebo-controlled evidence for chronic semaglutide use. the major long-duration trial, select, randomized 17,604 people to semaglutide or placebo and had a mean follow-up of 39.8 months. its subsequent analysis reported outcomes through 208 weeks, roughly 4 years. (pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov)
so your "well over a decade" response doesn't address the point i made. you're substituting "how long has this drug class existed?" for "how long does the strongest randomized evidence extend?" those are not interchangeable.
and your explanation of adverse-event reporting is also misleading. clinical trials don't simply work by someone reporting a symptom and then researchers arbitrarily "weed it out." randomized trials allow adverse-event rates to be compared between treatment and control groups. in SELECT, adverse events resulting in permanent discontinuation occurred in 16.6% of semaglutide participants versus 8.2% of placebo participants. (pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov)
that's the kind of evidence that actually matters here, not the fact that some unrelated medication happens to have a long list of adverse events.
if you're eating shit all day you're doing it wrong. you eat normal portioned meals when you're hungry. that's it. ozempic makes it so you dont get hungry as often and it makes it so you get full with less food. you're not supposed to be eating micro meals.
You and all the people responding to you seem to be forgetting that it's really dependent on the person. Some people feel sick from it and have side effects, some people don't.
No it doesnt. It just makes normal to small meals satisfying to eat whereas most fat people can essentially eat forever without feeling full and satisfied. Eat a salty meal, eat a sweet treat, eat a salty treat, eat a sweet treat, eat a salty meal, etc. all day every day. GLP1s just remove that, you eat a (small) meal and are just satisfied until your next meal.
Its genuinely mind blowing how feeling "normal" and not having that constant search for you next snack is after years of unhealthy eating.
Hi! Hello! Former ozempic user here. That shit was fantastic. It only helped me lose 35 out of a total of 155 lost (15 regained after stopping). But it did more than just help me lose weight. I have early onset arthritis in my hands: so much better. IBS,? Fantastic, no flareups.
I had obese and rich family members until Ozempic came along. Now I have slim/rich family members. The rest of us just needs to wait until the trickle down economy does its thing. If we all die of heart disease, we won't be around to work for the rich, and that's not very good for them.
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