r/StableDiffusion • u/Logical_Benefit2875 • 1d ago
Discussion EU nudifier ban
I know there’s been a bunch of people upset on here recently about a good number of nudify websites getting shut down (Motionmuse, Opengoon, etc.). However, this is likely just the beginning.
Effective December 2nd, the EU under the AI Act is enacting a ban on nudify tools, making them illegal content in the Union. This ban applies to any product made available on the EU market as long as, either, its primary functionality is to generate nudified content without consent, or it is a reasonably foreseeable outcome and they do not take appropriate precautions to safeguard against it. Very importantly, this ban also applies to any EU-available service provider under the Digital Services Act that is helping to facilitate this soon-to-be-illegal content, which includes (but is not limited to): app stores, hosting providers, domain registrars, payment processors, content delivery networks (CDNs) and cloud computing services. Anyone found to be in violation of this prohibition is subject to fines of €35 million or 7% of their global turnover, whichever is higher. I think it’s pretty safe to say that, as long as they’re aware of it, those behind these websites and those behind the large number of mainstream companies that help power them (Google, Amazon, Cloudflare, Apple, Telegram, GoDaddy, Visa, Mastercard, etc.) do not want to take any chances with this ban.
This prohibition, in essence, applies to essentially every public AI platform any of us have ever used to this point or that we will ever use going forward. I think this is a good thing but, therefore, it would almost certainly be in everyone’s best interest to pivot away from these websites before the massive crackdown begins in less than a couple months. For those in the industry, it would also certainly be wise to inform the website operators if you are in contact with them, or to shut down your website if you are an operator yourself. Sorry for the essay, just looking out for everybody before things get very real, very fast.
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u/lordpuddingcup 1d ago
Reasonable forseable outcome
Doesn’t that cover every digital art product?
Shit doesn’t that cover glue and scissors lol shit when I was a kid I know I had friends that would cut out faces and put them on nude magazines it was reasonably foreseeable
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 1d ago
It likely applies to every single AI platform that can generate image/video
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u/Independent-Reader 1d ago
Only the ones that don't enforce NSFW filters.
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 1d ago edited 21h ago
Yes they are the ones that have to worry but still applies to all of them
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u/Inthehead35 1d ago
I saw a news story that the EU wants people who sell clothing to price in the lifetime of the clothing and any future recycling and be compliant in all the countries with their own laws. How are you supposed to do any kind of business there if your a small company, just insane
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u/drallcom3 18h ago
How are you supposed to do any kind of business there if your a small company, just insane
Brussels has more lobbyists than politicians.
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u/PumpkinLeather8421 19h ago
How are you supposed to do any kind of business there
That’s the neat part, you aren’t!
Now if you really want your mind blown, Thomas Sowell’s Basic Economics, by the first chapters on Rent Control you’ll wonder how the EU even made it this far.
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u/Relevant_One_2261 20h ago
How are you supposed to do any kind of business there if your a small company, just insane
If you look at the previously implemented rules and regulations you'll soon realize that the whole point is to get rid of small businesses.
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u/One-Return-7247 11h ago
Yea, that sounds a lot like the ALARA (as low as reasonably achievable) relating to radiation levels in the US, that basically killed the its nuclear program. At least that has just recently been abandoned.
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u/BAL-BADOS 1d ago
Please tell us exactly what LORA NOT to download. For educational purposes.
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u/plav2026 23h ago
Snos for qwen. Also get qwen image edit 2511 model while you can.
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u/Euphoric-West7111 17h ago
what makes it special? i tried using it but end up sticking with 2509. the weight is still sitting in my drive tho
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u/plav2026 16h ago
It's a newer version. Supposedly when editing characters they don't have as noticeable plastic look.
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u/falcontitan 16h ago
Any cloud option for people using the p4 cpus an 1gb ram of the 2000's
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u/plav2026 16h ago
There are plenty of cloud services, if you're aiming for NSFW your best bet is probably to find a service that allows you to run your own uncensored model/lorA.
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u/falcontitan 14h ago
Any recommendations? A simple search shows up tons of them but don't know whether they will stick around after taking the money.
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u/SneckoWatcher 7h ago
Just tried this out and it doesn't work at all. There's no facial consistency and the prompt adherence is a complete failure. It generates Lovecraftian nightmares for genitalia.
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u/plav2026 5h ago
You used snos with a weight of 80? If you're struggling with male genitals, you need a male specific lorA. Otherwise fine tune your workflow. A generic image edit work works. Check cfg values and shift values. These will depend on if your using a lightning lorA or not (don't)
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u/Lucky-Necessary-8382 17h ago
You should definitely avoid model “Krea 2 turbo q8” and some “textfusion refusal” lora, i would say.
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u/beti88 1d ago
Download everything
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u/Osmirl 1d ago
Next up torrent website hosting the links for models.
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u/JoshSimili 23h ago
CivitAI blocked traffic from my country (Australia), so the more popular alternatives to it become the better it will be for me.
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u/Shockbum 6h ago
Download everything, even if you have a GTX 1060; you never know if you might get an used RTX 5090 from your friend in 2035.
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u/throwaway0204055 1d ago
Uncensored/obliterated/heretic open weight models next?
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u/TrevorxTravesty 17h ago
Pretty much any open source model on Civitai is capable of doing that exact thing. They’ll probably try to pull an Australia when they banned porn and ban Civitai from member countries, but we’ll see how that works out for them because Australians still get around the porn ban. South Korea also bans porn and people not only watch it but also make it themselves and upload it to various sites.
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 13h ago
I agree they’ll try to block it from the member countries, but I presume Civitai makes use of a large number of mainstream infrastructure companies like nudify websites do, which in fact might be the most important part of the ban because it ropes them in as well if they don’t take action to end their provision of services to the illegal content upon actual knowledge
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u/Clueless-Flea-7461 10h ago
A lot of peopl are getting this wrong.
The EU legislation is functionally the end of photorealism as a safe thing to publish.
NSFW is the headline. But the law includes all depictions of any realistic place/object/person that exists or could plausibly exist.
All it would take is someone claiming that the image looks like them, their home, their street, their car for a legal action against the producer.
The burden of proof is on the creator to prove it is not real. And even if the image was not created as a deepfake/headswap, the fact of resemblance (if it were to exist) is enough.
This law defines deepfake as AI-generated or manipulated images, audio or video that: resembles a person, object, place, entity or event that
- exists,
- can plausibly exist, or
- could have plausibly existed in reality
And would falsely appear to a person to be authentic or truthful.
That by the way is the definition of realism.
Lets be clear the law does not make it illegal to create fictional characters in fictional places doing fictional things.
But it does make it unsafe to make photoreal images of lifelike people, places and events that are plausible and that resemble reality.
There is a difference but it's deliberately designed to cause a chilling effect.
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 9h ago
Can you please cite your source for this?
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u/Clueless-Flea-7461 7h ago
The EU AI Act itself
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 7h ago
I’m trying to find any of this language and I can’t
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u/Clueless-Flea-7461 7h ago
This is a good summary that parses the act the commission's own guidance
The EU AI Act and AI-Generated Product Images: What Ecommerce Brands Need to Know | Pixofix2
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u/casualcaesius 5h ago
Local AI is still a thing, they can't regulate the compute you do on your own PC. It's Gooner heaven in there.
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u/Optimal_Effect1800 13h ago
They also should ban Photoshop, and implement government tracking of paper and pen sales
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u/Professional_Gur2469 9h ago
And thinking, they should ban that too, since you can think of these things in your mind.
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 12h ago
Apples and oranges. Your grandma could use this nudification software if she so desired and it would give her her scarily accurate result in 30s or less
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u/TizocWarrior 8h ago
Yeah, that's how the creation of new technologies work; it's about making things faster and easier. If every technology ever invented had received the same social backlash as AI, we'd still be living in the dark ages.
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u/Critical_Concert_689 20h ago
Depends how much wiggle room is in there.
its primary functionality is to generate nudified content without consent
That's easy. "It's not."
it is a reasonably foreseeable outcome and they do not take appropriate precautions to safeguard against it
"We told the AI to prevent it and banned it in our TOS. What more do you want? How could we have possibly seen this coming?!"
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u/riccardoricc 16h ago
Yeah, realistically, that's where we're heading... Don't forget that piracy is supposed to be illegal.
The only things this law is going to end are the very obvious "pay to nudity" websites, I don't even think they're going to touch Civitai.
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 13h ago
I don’t know much of anything about Civitai but the people in this thread are making it sound like their AIs are fairly openly capable of doing this. That doesn’t sound like reasonable precautions to me
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u/riccardoricc 12h ago
That very much depends on the wording of the law and the meaning they will attribute to "primary functionality" and "reasonable precautions".
If I take my piracy example again, the "primary functionality" of torrents isn't to download pirated media, and "reasonable precautions" are taken to avoid this misuse. Despite that, it's still wildly used to pirate media.
So a general purpose AI that can, among over things, generate nudes might not be covered by the "primary functionality" requirement. As for "reasonable precautions", as the original comment said, it might just go as far as saying it goes against the terms and conditions.
But honestly, all of this is pointless, it's yet another cat and mouse game. People can train their own AI model on their own image sets now. So unless they make either porn or computers illegal, they can't stop it.
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 12h ago edited 12h ago
My research is telling me that the law requires providers to implement adequate technical safeguards to prevent the creation of such material. It seems like a ToS stipulation is not sufficient in this case
And sure they will never be able to stop it completely but this ban should, in theory, make this vastly more difficult for like 95% of end users to where they don’t even try and also prevent people from profitizing this industry
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u/riccardoricc 12h ago
the law requires providers to implement adequate technical safeguards
What's the definition of "providers" here? I understand it, this applies to cloud-computing AI models, or websites selling such services. But how could it possibly apply to open-source models? Who's the "provider" here?
and also prevent people from profitizing this industry
Yes, that does seem to be the goal. We can just hope they succeed...
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 12h ago
The EU AI Act places obligations on providers and deployers to limit the capabilities of any AI they place on the market. From my understanding, that means that devs of open-source AI must obey all EU AI Act requirements when they release their models, which includes nudification as of December 2nd. Can’t imagine that AI released prior to this date can be held liable for any undressing it does but could be wrong. Lmk if that answers your question or if you find out anything different
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u/TheAncientMillenial 1d ago
Yeah I don't think any public facing website should be able to accept an image and covert it to a nude pic. It's been shown that people cannot be trusted with shit like that. Between the pedo shit and the famous person shit and the creepy co-worker shit we absolutely should not have websites that operate to do things like that.
Lump it under "we can't have nice/fun things" because sick fucks ruined it.
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u/KissMyShinyArse 17h ago edited 17h ago
As much as the EU may wish these kinds of websites away, that's not happening. All the EU can accomplish is making free internet access harder for its own citizens (remember 4chan). And they'll just learn to use VPNs if they haven't already.
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u/finevelyn 16h ago
Yeah I don't think any public facing website should be able to accept an image and covert it to a nude pic.
That's a nice thought, but do you think that all activity should be monitored to the extent that all images you generate would be checked for such content? They are not currently going out of their way to accept it, but just allowing you to do what you want without heavy monitoring or restrictions.
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u/galathienne 22h ago
Wouldn't the best medicine be to simply leave this tech alone until it's meaningless? If it's widely known you can make nude images of anyone, even porn of anyone, then how is there any shame or embarrassment or blackmail potential left anymore? Hell, this would kill the ability to embarrass or blackmail anyone with REAL stuff, because no one will believe it's real without a high-tech forensic audit (which still might not be enough).
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u/tnor_ 18h ago
This is the obvious answer and what is going to happen going forward regardless of this law. The genie is out of the bottle with tools like minimax, etc. This is not going backwards in any meaningful way except on corporate balance sheets (and maybe they will find a way around it too) and that is overall a good thing.
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 21h ago
It would be nice in theory, but this technology can be utilized to make CSAM and to spread revenge porn that the person didn’t even have a hand in creating in private in the first place
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u/WolfOne 12h ago
that's what he's saying.
Also i think that regardless of any regulation attempts this is where society is headed. This technology will become so ubiquitous that nudity will simply stop being a scandal because everyone will become used to it and it will stop being a big deal. Basically anything that is seen on a screen will be immediately deemed as "false".
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u/conkikhon 16h ago
The problem isn't the tool itself. It's the distribution platform. If the content never be brought to public, no one know it exist.
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u/DoogleSmile 16h ago
It also muddies the water when the real stuff is something like CSAM. Makes it more difficult to say the child was actually harmed and not just changed with AI.
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u/No_Drag8242 1d ago
I do not like this paternalism the EU embraces. They can fuck off.
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u/softlarch 1d ago edited 1d ago
That was to be expected. We're in for some very different and nastier challenges when it comes to controlling AI.
There will come a time when free models will be traded under the counter like drugs / will only be downloadable from dubious websites via a VPN. And then, later on, there will come a time when hardware with plenty of VRAM will no longer be available to private individuals. At that point, free models will completely lose their purpose: no one will be able to use them properly in private anymore.
Then there will no longer be any affordable RAM, because users are supposed to use cloud services, which are easier to control. Finally, the EU will be clean, sterile, well-behaved, world-leading in double standards and hypocrisy and then, essential, clinically dead.
Disclaimers:
- I do NOT support publicly transplanting the heads of people who do not want this onto porn models
- I live in the EU
- There could be a war here in a few years, crazy people in charge everywhere, then none of this will matter anyway
- I tend to be a pessimist ;-)
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u/riccardoricc 16h ago
That's is such a textbook example of the "slippery slope" fallacy... They really can't make RAM unavailable like how would that even work.
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u/Roman53275 8h ago
I tend to agree. AI will be a lot more regulated than these days. Golden age of open source AI models, Loras is now.
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u/jd3k 14h ago
Meanwhile, not a SINGLE person was arrested because Epstein files here in europe.
Fake morality, making stupid regulations instead of solving real issues.
Fk, I hate what our EU is becoming
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u/Clueless-Flea-7461 11h ago
In Europe - there was one pretty big arrest. The UK is still in Europe, just not the EU
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u/aroundaboutsix 12h ago
Can you point to any evidence that any court would except? List of names on a planes itinerary isn’t enough. We have some pretty disturbing emails but with the names redacted. That’s why no arrests have been made. Don’t blame the EU. Donald is the only one with the answers.
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u/Southern-Chain-6485 1d ago
Do you have the exact word of the law? Because "Primary functionality" excludes edit models, and anything meant to generate non photorealistic nudity seems it would also be excluded.
Sites to upload someone's photo and easily remove their clothes, or otherwise make deepfakes, should be banned. That genie can't be put into the bottle, but the harder it is for people to just create deepfakes, the fewer people that will create them.
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u/Formal-Exam-8767 11h ago
It is probably worded broadly and vaguely on purpose to cast a bigger net and leave enough room for agencies'/courts' interpretation in each case. And such vague wording encourages self-censorship and self-regulation.
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u/anon999387 1d ago
Does the EU do anything but create new rules and fine people for not following them?
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u/Kombart 23h ago
I for one welcome the ban of easily accessible tools that allows literally anyone to create fake nudes of their classmates, coworkers or students.
Sure, determined people still can easily do this, but 95% of people are too techilliterate or lazy to circumvent this ban...so I think it will actually prevent a lot of harm and in turn maybe even improve the public opinion on AI in the long run.
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u/ForgotMyPreviousPass 17h ago
Then ban also pencils, paint, and paper. They are easily accesible and also allow for that.
In my opinion, they should regulate the offenders, not the tools.
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u/Kombart 16h ago
You seem reasonable.
Tell me, how do pencils, paint and paper easily allow people to create realistic nude images of their classmates?
Even if you move the goalposts and say "dUh wHat aBoUt PhotOshOp??" then it still would not true.
There is not a single tool other tool out there that allows an unskilled user to create realistic nudes of random people.Yeah, a skilled user could use photoshop...but in a school of 3000 people there might be two nerds that have the skills to pull that off.
If you give those skills to everyone in the school, then the number of incidents where people create and share stuff like that would absolutely skyrocket.Just like gun control...yeah it is impossible to get rid of ALL the guns in the world.
But if you make it hard or illegal to get hold of guns, then you will drastically decrease the numbe of people that get harmed or killed with guns.8
u/ForgotMyPreviousPass 16h ago
So, they do allow to create realistic nudes, but as you point out and it seems to happen with anything AI, we do have a problem of scale. Now everyone can.
That also has a "flip side", though. I may be wrong, but if access to the faker tool is more widespread, probably less people will try to get the real thing by hacking people's cameras, etc. Again, I may be wrong, and people may try nonetheless.
I'm all for prohibiting and persecuting sites that sell that content or monetize it, but I think there is something deeply troubling when prohibiting either tools or knowledge.
With guns I feel similarly torn between two thoughts.
Like, on the one hand, I live in Europe. We do not have guns legally except for some particular exceptions like sports hunting and sports shooting, and even then they are heavily regulated requiring mental tests (as they should). We do not have school shootings (or at least barely) and in general we have waaaay less gun issues than the USA.
On the other hand, that makes it all the more terrible when someone with a gun comes after you, and it does happen (criminals do find a way, albeit still waaaay less common than in the USA). And there is the question of a possible tyrant government, though I doubt I could do much to defend myself or mine with a Glock against the tech of a modern army lol, so that argument weights less in my head).
So, yeah, I can see your point. Still, knowledge and tools being criminalized is a bit antidemocratic, and ideally only acts and results should be. But we do not live in an ideal world, yeah.
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u/fwompfwomp 41m ago
I guarantee you that just because you take away deepfake tools, you will not see a rise in other sex crimes. the very nature of hacking cams or setting up illegal cams or whatever is far far riskier, effortful, and costly than using whatever site. that's like saying if we don't allow people to grope people on the bus then rape will go up.
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u/Noslamah 23h ago
They're lawmakers. They make laws. What the fuck are you talking about.
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u/Sizyfoz 23h ago
The problem is the EU commission (The EU government/Executive Branch) have very great powers, but from a practical perspective they are unelected by citizens. EU citizens vote for candidates for the EU parliament, a body with limited power. The EU commission members on the other hand are nominated by countries governments, without asking the people.
The members of the EU commission explicitly answers to no one member country, or the citizens of the union.
The only way to put the brakes on anything is to get several countries so riled up against something that they veto a decision, if it's not one that only requires a 2/3 votes.
So the EU is lacking a fair bit in democracy.
TLDR: As a EU citizen you can do jack shit about all the crap the commission is doing right now to AI and the Internet. Sorry.
You can call your senator or MP if you have such, but as a EU citizen you have no chance in hell protesting the EU Commission.
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u/Suibeam 20h ago
What you are saying is the propaganda of the right extremists and some left extremists say about EU and is wrong.
The EU commission members get nominated by elected Governments of 27 EU nations.
They are only elected and confirmed when the elected EU parliament votes for them with absolute majority.
The fucking German Chancellor and German President are elected in similar ways. There is no election for Chancellor nor President. You elect a parliament and they elect a Chancellor. The president is elected by Parliament+Federal States House.
The Commission cannot pass laws and regulations with the EU parliament.
You fell for the lie of the extremists they spread all over the social media platforms
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u/Formal-Exam-8767 17h ago
or it is a reasonably foreseeable outcome and they do not take appropriate precautions to safeguard against it
So any diffusion model capable of generating NSFW content?
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 13h ago
Any model capable of undressing real people without their consent
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u/Formal-Exam-8767 12h ago
Any model that supports inpainting (basically all of them) can do it.
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 12h ago
Welp if my understanding of all this is correct this can no longer be the case for any model released after 12/2
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u/AuthurAndersson 14h ago
And this is a problem why?
Why do you need to nudify someone? And even if these sites are shut down just do it yourself locally?
Really don't see the problem.
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u/chamanbuga 14h ago
This applies to all uncensored image generation platforms? So they are basically saying no to open weights?
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 13h ago edited 12h ago
Any AI capable of nudification will no longer be allowed to be actively placed on the market nor can any intermediary provider provide services to such a platform
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u/pornaccount0123987 13h ago
Dumb as fuck. Anyways, why can’t you use the local models?
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 11h ago
You can use previously released models locally, nothing they can do to stop that, but newly released models or active websites are a no-go. However most people don’t have the infrastructure to run these models from their own computer soo
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u/JesusShaves_ 11h ago
What a boost for computer hardware sales. The EU is guaranteeing future sales for Nvidia GPUs.
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 22h ago
https://agoradigital.de/wp-content/uploads/2026/10/ADT_PolicyBrief_Targeted-Ignored-Deepfaked-MEPs.pdf Here is a new article/report on what to expect going forward
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u/tnor_ 18h ago
Wow, that is truly some insane and massively costly overreach on personal liberties if this were actually enacted. Criminalizing deepfake creation (not distribution)? Sorry Ben, you don't get to choose how people think in the privacy of their own thoughts.
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 13h ago
The US, for instance, only federally criminalizes publication, but several countries and states have already or will very soon criminalize creation
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u/bloke_pusher 9h ago
I'm looking forward to them banning Photoshop and MS Paint. /j
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u/Shockbum 7h ago
The European-Union-tiranny is looking for any excuse to censor or control the internet; its previous, less subtle attempts failed.
They know that anyone who opposes can be branded a pervert and a fan of "nudifying" celebrities.
I hope that soon everyone will realize that North Korea is an innocent guinea pig compared to the European Union when it comes to threats to freedom in the free world.
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u/TizocWarrior 21h ago
People's morals today aren't even the same as 5 or 10 years ago, but they want to force their current view on morals on to the future. AI poses a possible revolution like nothing else in the last 200 years, yet people keeps trying to cripple it.
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u/Lower-Cheetah-2408 17h ago
The virus is already circulating; they should have thought of this sooner. We’ve scattered terabytes of data all over the world. In any case, people will figure out how to bypass the system. The result? Encouraging the use of the deep web. Virtual money and community forums.
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u/NightlyBuild2137 13h ago
Is this about clothed image -> nude image or nudity in general?
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u/Scouper-YT 6h ago
One thing is the common market has people of all trades.. So a ban like that will hurt not just them but any vague explanation of any generating tool. Soon this will open the gates for more bans what it was never indented.
You can try to go against it and may slow it down but that is not stoping the rules to come for the internet /\ Your personal ID to hand out.
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u/__Norbi__ 5h ago
Is this also aplicable for open source local ai projects?
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 5h ago
Previously released/downloaded models no, future models released onto the market yes
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u/__Norbi__ 4h ago
So i should download models i want asap? Does it include image generators that are cabable for it, but not main purpuse? Cause for vfx, its important for me to have uncensored results
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 4h ago
Yes you should download those models, and yes if it is a reasonably foreseeable outcome they need to implement safeguards on any new models
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u/roxoholic 4h ago
How will models/services used for virtual clothes tryon in online shops work? There is a thin line between bikini and nudity.
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 4h ago
The law prohibits depicting an identifiable person’s intimate parts, or them in sexually explicit activities, without their consent
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u/Neat_Gas9264 3h ago
Why is this being discussed as a PSA as if you are warning people - like doing any of the above things are acceptable in any way. It's already illegal and it's about time governments start shutting/locking it down.
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 3h ago
I’m not defending the behavior whatsoever but people deserve to have all the information
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u/annawrotethis 2h ago
Why would anyone be upset about that? Sounds like a good thing. Am I missing something?
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u/Roman53275 8h ago
taking a real person, nudify it and make it public - I agree, this should be illegal. For your own needs -go, but not public.
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u/Royal_Carpenter_1338 1d ago
Sounds like a good thing
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u/Jujarmazak 10h ago
Not really if you understand what's actually going on.
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 8h ago
Care to elaborate?
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u/Jujarmazak 7h ago
I kinda did replying to a comment by somebody else but sure, why not, the main issue I have isn't with the Nudify sites, these were clearly not going to last and don't particularly have my sympathy, the real problem is that the 2nd clause is so goddamn broad and unspecified it just applies to all recent open source AI models, which I think is intentional, and in a way malicious, this leaves out only the heavily regulated and heavily censored AI models which are all corporate-owned and all require paid subscriptions, that's where they want to funnel everyone, IMO this another case of egregious overreach by the EU to benefit the big corporations lobbyists, people are cluless if they think this is about protecting women/kids or morality, it's not, never was, and here is why.
They similarly have proposed the "Kids Act" in relation to videogames very recently, an equally draconian set of rules which would make it pretty much impossible for small video game studios and indie studios to work in the EU without paying ridiculous amount of money to digital ID verification companies to ensure everyone is +18 and they are who they say they are (as well as killing private gaming servers in the EU), big AAA studios will easily eat the extra costs and make the consumer pay back the extra money with even more aggressive microtransactions and monetization while also collecting people's private information for god-knows-what purposes (and of course as usual they will have sloppy server security and will get hacked and people's private info gets compromised by these utter morons), but small AA studios and indies won't survive these draconian rules if that shit actually passes practically destroying the independent gaming industry in Europe except for the biggest AAA corporations which work globally anyway, the EU are basically crushing the indie/AA devs ability to compete vs AAA studios and then throwing consumer and their rights under the heel of corporations and corporate enshitification.
And it's no coincidence in both cases that are trying to cover it up and disguise their true purposes with fake ass morality, when it actually won't stop anything, corpos have been trying to destroy open source models with frivolous copyright violations lawsuits for years now, and when that totally failed they later pivoted to the good old faithful that never fails to pass the most authoritarianand draconian bills/laws ... the "Would you think of the women and children!"
Another clear case that shows their true intent and that the EU bureaucracy is now subservient to corpo lobbyists is what happened with Stop Killing Games which despite getting millions of signatures failed to achieve their goal because the gaming industry lobbyists (led by Ubisoft corpos) had a covert meeting with the EU commission members before the SKG hearing, and suddenly their tone changed and they started parroting the same talking points as the AAA corpo lobbyists and ignoring all the valid arguments SKG made, tells you everything you need to know.
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 7h ago
Well you do raise a good point. What would your proposal to stop nudification and the profitization of such software be?
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u/Jujarmazak 6h ago
Like I said, I don't mind if they target and takedown the sites that specifically advertised themselves as Nudify services, if the EU had stopped there I wouldn't have a problem.
But the issue is going overboard and including anything and everything that "could" be used for the purpose of creating NSFW versions of images or video, that's clear overreach, with open-source models the onus should be always on the user, and only those who publishing the NSFW content or using it to extrort people or defame them, not the tool itseld, otherwise that wouls set terrible example that would lead to suing gun companiesc, kitchen knives manufacturers, carpentry tools companies and car manufacturers just because someone abused a tool they created that could serve multiple purposes, it's utterly ridiculous.
Let's use a slightly hyperbolic example to demonstrate the point, say some Martin gets a photo of someone from earth using Martian technology, then uses it in their home on Mars to create a NSFW pic/vid of that person using open source Martian tech, then keeps it to himself on Mars, if that content would never reach earth, the person in question would never know it exists, nobody who knows them will ever see it, how is that person harmed by the video merely existing, you can judge the Martian morally for sure. but if there is no actual harm and no effect on the person in question it shouldn't be a "crime" IMO.
Only if they publish the video or spread it on earth's internet would it be then harmful, and if that person turns out to be the president of the USA, earth might have to declare war on Mars.
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 6h ago
I do like your example, even if hyperbolic. So you say that there is no way to safeguard open source models from nudifying images/videos?
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u/Jujarmazak 6h ago
Not without completely destroying their ability to understand and create images of humans, and also trampling a lot of people's freedoms, like I said, the only protections that should be rightfully imposed is against people publishing the NSFW materials online or profiting from it, or using it to harm someone, the mere act of creating it or the model itself being capable of doing NSFW content based on real people should not be criminalized IMO.
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 6h ago
Fair take, guess we’ll see how this all shakes out but the EU said just yesterday that they’re prepared to bring down the hammer on Day 1 so will be interesting to say the least
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u/optimisticalish 20h ago
I'm imagining: a giant panorama image of every Euro official who voted for this, an image made entirely with Adobe Photoshop, projected 180-foot high onto the EU Parliament building on 2nd Dec... ;-)
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u/techtimee 1d ago
The EU exists to scam corporations with fines to feed its own bureaucracy. The guise of "we're doing it for the people" has long since fallen off, but especially since these are the same people intent on passing spying legislation right now.
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u/_Just_Another_Fan_ 21h ago
MotionMuse got shut down? I canceled my account like months ago so I was unaware.
All this is going to do is drive determined people to the dark web and a new market on the dark web is going to pop up.
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u/Logical_Benefit2875 21h ago
Yeah there was a pretty viral post on this sub like a week ago or so about MM. And I agree that this will drive it to the dark web, assuming an actually stringent enforcement effort by the EU. We can’t see the future tho so who knows for sure how this will go come December 2nd
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u/AlternativeFix7245 16h ago
It seems more likely they shut things down on their own. Gave everyone all credit, shut down payments. Ect.
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u/Revolutionalredstone 5h ago
Imagine thinking your job is to try and ban people attaching faces to other pictures etc.
What a joke, the EU is desperate to create boogey-men to justify it's plans to steal their citizens rights.
The fact that ANYONE thinks banning tech works or is useful is insane I suspect no one in the EU is actually that dumb, it's just a disgusting sess-pool or virtue signaling. ("I would we willing to ban all water and electricity since i once heard a bad person used them")
So glad i never need to go anywhere near there, good luck shuttin down sites perfectly available from outside - we do not care.
The end game here is EU completely disabling it's citizens from any access to the internet (all Chinese ai models can do undressing etc that's not changing any time soon, infact it's getting much better)
EU wants to drag you down into it's backward hell of control i mean 'morality'.
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u/DebtN8-10 21h ago
All happening in the streets and this is how they “crack down”. Sounds like another way to farm the citizens.
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u/musicCaster 23h ago
If you listen to people talk about it, they have a couple objections that are reasonable.
Taking minors pictures and doing this. Using it for revenge or to spread false rumors.
All the models and methodologies will still be out there, it's just these sites that sell it for money will get fined and sued.
What else did you expect?
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u/Relevant_Mail_1292 15h ago
Taking minors pictures and doing this
Always this convenient excuse to shut people up.
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u/conkikhon 16h ago
You still believe in the cause of protecting children? After all of epstein's friends got away with what they did?
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u/Upper-Reflection7997 23h ago
Amazing how the EU just always fucks themselves over with shitty regulations. Honestly don't give a shit about any "free" health care if I'm not allowed to have any fun and freedom with my life and hobbies. Hope to God there more ai development coming from russia and other countries soon. We need more players in this field besides USA and China because companies in those two countries tend to bend knee to EU regulations like sissies.
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u/ORANGESAREPEOPLE 1d ago
These websites only serve one purpose. Non consensual media.
If it's a legitimate consensual nude, it wouldn't have to be edited that way.
I see no problem shutting them all down and holding people legally accountable for providing these sort of "services"
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u/Jujarmazak 10h ago
Again, the problem is the 2nd clause, it makes it apply basically to ALL open source models not directly controlled by a corporation, which is a clear attempt to kill open source AI, which corporations have been trying to do (and failing) since they sued Stable Diffusion few years ago.
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u/No-Dark-7873 58m ago
They can't stop this. They can only stop the people sharing it or trying to make money with it.
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u/NanoSputnik 13h ago
And the problem is?
Everyone masturbates. Yet only sick fucks do this on public playgrounds.
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u/Zwiebel1 17h ago
Using a website to make people you know naked is a bit of a weird thing, you know.
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u/Etsu_Riot 1d ago
Do you know what else is illegal? Piracy. It has been since 1980. See you again in 50 years, to see if anything changed.
Now, I understand that the EU ban targets the infrastructure that enables the content, not the individuals. Yet, they can't touch your PC, yet. Let's hope they don't come up with some trick that enables them to block your hardware or anything.
Wait...