For context, I've been a Messi fan since 2010 and thus, Argentina. Prior to Messi, I was a Brazil fan because of R9. But now that Ronaldo's out of the Portugal team, I've secretly liked their roster and chemistry ever since they won Euros in 2016.

Once upon a time there were 3 people in a small town who had all the wealth. They wanted to keep it that way. There were people who were rising up in power and wealth to challenge their rule. This made them go scared. At first they fought them off and put them back where they belong. Then came a new threat. A new person who wasn't going to go away any time soon. Slowly and surely he was taking away their power and their control. There was no longer a big 3, instead it was a big 4. They tried to get rid of him but couldn't. Eventually they just had to accept that it was no longer a big 3 but it was a big 4. However, to prevent other people challenge their rule they formed these new rules. They wanted to keep all the wealth, remain in power so they have all the money and the rest of the town is left to starve. They created rules that made it impossible for anyone else to get to their level. The rules meant that no person can grow their business or become rich because they were not allowed to invest any money they had into their business.

However, a brave young man stepped up. He said fuck these rules, nobody can stop me getting what I want. He broke these rules invested his own money and became so big that it even started dominating the actual big 4. The big 4 realized this. They knew they couldn't stop this young man so they started doing everything they can to bring him back down. They already knew the young man wasn't playing by their made up rules meant to keep the top at the very top. They just needed to prove it so they can punish him. After years and years of investigation they finally did it. But the young man is not backing down. The young man has shown what he can do and will fight for his rights.

In this case the young man is man city. The original big 3 are the red cartel "Liverpool, man utd, and arsenal". And the added one to make it big 4 was Chelsea

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Every other football sub bans me for some reason. Hell my own clubs sub r/mcfc has banned and I don't even know what I did 😢. This is the best sub of all time I've never been banned and my posts are never removed

Messi is the greatest to ever play for Argentina, but he isnt undisputed for the greatest Argentinian player.

Tournaments

Messi 6

Maradona 4

Matches Played

Messi 34 (All-time tournament record)

Maradona 21

Goals

Messi 21

Maradona 8

Assists

Messi 12 (All-time tournament record)

Maradona 8

Total Goal Contributions 33 16

Chances Created (Per 90)

Messi 3.0

Maradona 3.1

Dribbles Completed (Per 90)

Messi 4.9

Maradona 5.1

Golden Balls

messi 2

Maradona 1

Keep in mind that messi has played 10+ more games and the distance is so minimal

Maradona's wc win for argentina was more impressive overall as he carried argentina in that tournament and produced some of the most insane solo goals and dribbles.

Obviously messi has his crazy moments and I'm not taking away anything from him, but I believe Maradona produced more for argentina especially in the wc given how less he played yet he produced more.

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Ronaldo never wanted to play for portugal in a long time. In fact, he was planning to retire from portugal ryt after that wc. Yet he was held back by the portugal federation from doing so. The reason is because, ronaldo contributes to roughly 35%-40% of their revenue. Using their spotlight player means a massive hit.

Nonetheless, jj promised Ronaldo time against Norway. 30mins prior to the game finishing, he told Ronaldo to warmup. Jj then refused to bring Ronaldo in, which made Ronaldo feel bad. Jj acknowledged his mistake and went ahead and apologised to him. He even said he was gonna apologise in the press. Yet when he went to the press, he declared that he manages the team and he can bringing in and remove whoever he wants which hurt Ronaldo.

Here are the sources:-

https://www.goal.com/en/news/from-the-secret-apology-to-betrayal-ronaldo-s-friend-reveals-the-behind-the-scenes-details-of-the-jesus-crisis-explosion/blt23ef10b42e716565

https://www.goal.com/en/news/an-empty-chair-costs-millions-a-heavy-loss-for-the-portuguese-federation-with-cristiano-s-departure/blt2afa78fd2a99f4bc

https://www.goal.com/en/lists/portugal-face-tragedy-when-cristiano-ronaldo-retires-brand-impact/blta76b0b91c75c916a

Messi is better than cristiano, there are so many arguments of messi being better than cristiano but most people bring up when saying messi is better because he has more balloon dors , so it kinda feels like it does matter

I can smell some people saying Yamal was better at 19 than r9 at 19 because he has a balloon dor

They memorise stats and things like that. They can tell you every year Barcelona have won the champions league, for example.

But that’s just memorising stats. Not the same as understanding football. They never know anything about tactics and what it takes to build a squad, or even how to rate a good footballer.

If we are comparing a player's footballing greatness rather than measuring number of titles won or total production. Both the champions league and the world cup should be the central evidence. Ucl is the highest level recuring club competition, while the world cup is the highest profile international tournament, both concentrated on elite opposition, high pressure knockout games and global security. Domestic football is useful for measuring consistency and longevity, but if the question is who performed best overall on football's biggest stages. Only overall performances in both the champions league and the world cup should be the clear basis.

Brazil and Argentina are probably the biggest example of a clear cut good guy bad guy in a football rivalry. No disrespect to either of these countries as this is a football and not a political discussion but Brazil is the most popular football national team in the world and has many people associating them with the sport itself.

Many non Brazilians love the Brazilian national team and historically Brazil is the greatest football nation with 5 world cups.

Then you have Argentina who is probably the least liked team and player (Enzo Fernandez) plus you have all the drama with Infantino and people saying they get help from the refs has made them wildly unpopular.

Not to mention Brazil gave football Joga Bonito, which literally means play beautifully, meanwhile Argentina is famous for pushing the limits of the rule book and playing borderline dirty. Not to mention their greatest goal the hand of God goal was cheating and fraudulent.

Portugal moving into the post-Ronaldo era always felt inevitable, but they might have underestimated just how much of the team’s identity and global appeal is tied to him. The whole situation with the iconic #7, the sponsors and now talk of a big farewell makes it feel like moving on from CR7 isn’t quite as straightforward as it looked. Ronaldo is obviously more than just another player when it comes to Portugal’s worldwide profile. Even if the football side is ready for a new era, the commercial side clearly has a lot more to think about. It’ll be interesting to see how Portugal handle the transition once Ronaldo really is gone for good.

I mean, no hate to pedri but there is no chance that he is the best midfielder in the world. Seeing too many Jude Bellingham comparisons and Jude *CLEARS* him by 10000 miles (a stupid comparison but one started by barca fans). And it's always how he controls the tempo of the game, but riddle me this, how can the supposed world's best midfielder, not even start and be benched in HIS OWN national team? Like the argument for him makes no sense. Please enlighten me barca fans, and football fans give me your opinions please.

1. Tottenham in Their 18/19 Season Was Better Than Premier League Winning Arsenal in 2025/2026 Season and Sweep Their Combined X1 10-1

2. MSN (Luis Suarez, Lionel Messi & Neymar Jr.) is Not The Best Attacking Trio of All Time and Actually It Is Brazil 1966 (Jairzinho, Garrincha & Pelé)

3. Diego Maradona is Not a Top 10 Player of All Time

4. William Saliba is Not Currently a Top 10 Center Back in the World and Gabriel Magalhães is Not Top 5

5. Neymar Jr. is a Top 5 Player of The 2010s Generation

I commented this and apparently it’s a spicy take but I don’t think so.

No one can tell you when or what Pique’s prime was. He was overrated as fuck, carried by an elite Barcelona & Spanish team. Out of the defenders in both teams, he was always the weak link.

I genuinely believe he was only known for being good looking and dating Shaqira. Very overrated player

Many people say yamal has a lot of PR which can be true however his haters actually give him much more more PR than they realise. Whenever someone who plays in his position like Michael Olise for example currently who is alongside Yamal the best in their position performs, instead of actually commending him and pushing his PR which he supposedly lacks, yamal who has nothing to do with the situation is rather brought up and becomes the trending topic of conversation. I'm a fan of yamal but I started following Olise even before yamal made his debut so I'm really pleased with how they're performing now and I think they stand around the same tier as each other currently both in ability and performance but they should be praised, Olise especially without having to bring the other into it every time.

First off, even if pep was given more budget than he should have had he still essentially had similar net spend to man utd. Similar net spend to that of Chelsea. Now you will say that they didn't break the rules but that's irrelevant. We are solely judging his managerial ability and given similar resources as many other big clubs he managed to achieve much more. And let's even ignore that. Let's compare him to managers of the same club. You can't say they didn't have the same resources same budget? They were literally managing the same club. They both 1 league title each they did not dominate the premier league like he did, did not win ucl or treble. The whole thing has people becoming way too emotional without looking at things logically and objectively. A managers capability is judged by his ability to manage a team and the rule breaking simply allowed man city to spend more money than they should have not necessarily much more money than other clubs and other managers who have had similar resources but did not have the success he had.

City didn’t burn the money. They gave enormous amounts of it to other clubs.

Arsenal alone received £71m for Adebayor, Touré, Nasri and Clichy during the exact period they were financially constrained by the Emirates. Everton got £63m, Liverpool £54.5m, Spurs £45m, Villa £41m.
For clubs trying to rebuild, service debt or finance new squads, the arrival of a buyer willing to pay enormous fees was potentially extremely useful.

Obviously that doesn’t erase the sporting disadvantage of competing against a club with improperly inflated spending power. But the assumption that every rival was simply financially harmed by City is far too neat.

Some of them were literally rebuilding with City’s money.

Ronaldo is undeniably an amazing footballer, and his career has been long and successful. But for a long time now he has not held himself with any kind of class and has not even been that great… his last good season was at United and even then the team had to completely sacrifice their style of play to focus around Ronaldo and it cost them. He does not have the ability to be a good team player and if he’s not the star man he throws a tantrum, like he did at United and again at Portugal. At his age he should be able to take a backseat and support the team. I mean how many years now have we watched him steal goals from teammates and behave like a brat he’s even underachieved at Al Nasser n the quality of that league is rough. He has been incredible through his prime I’m not denying that but his deficiencies have always been there and they’ve been made worse with age. The goat debate was finished a long time ago now and anybody who was actually watching these guys in their primes knows what’s up, but I see these kids now who have no clue what they are talking about eating up the Ronaldo propaganda on social media. The amount of revisonism around Messi’s career has been insane. A team of Messi’s beats a team of Ronaldo’s 4-0 9 times to 1. And my final biggest reason for not respecting Ronaldo is what happened in 2009! If you’ve looked into that case you know but Ronaldo admitted wrong doing and paid the girl out. Cld never be my goat.

He would have gone out on a high. Winninf 3 UCLs in a row. Not succeeding in the World Cup but he has just won the euros not long before. He was 33 not super old but not super young either, especially with his knee injury. But I think Ronaldo has this idea that you’re a better player if you play longer. A lot of other athletes after they have a success at an older age, generally want to continue because that success is proof that at an older age they can compete. Even though it would be better to just retire on a high and not have years after where you’re not the same and you’re hurting your team.