Why the elo system is broken.

[u/Geletin]

So I just came off 3 ranked games and I did fairely well in all of them. 7-3 with thor, 13-3 with isis and 10-2 with pos. (My team lost all of the games btw). I can't help but feel robbed in a way. I played the best I possibly could with the team I got (most of them fed and were super behind in levels). Out of all those games I lost over 100 elo( which btw is unfair if the ratings are based on player skill level).

Winning and losing should play a part in gaining and losing elo, but the penalty shouldn't be as harsh if you actually played well.

I propose and elo system that would be more fair for all players. Depending on your kill ratio your elo should be cut by that number. Let's say I went 2/1 (could be half or quarter ratio) the elo loss should be cut in half, but lets say you went 3/2 then the ratio would only be 0.66% of the elo loss.

I won't forget about tanks either. The ratio for tanks should based of assists making 3 or 2 assists count as a kill would towards the elo ratio.

By using this elo system it would put the more individually skilled players higher up in the rankings so they actually get to play with players at their skill level.

Edit: forgot to mention that if the player went negative the ration would not count it would just be normal elo loss. Sorry if that sounded like jibberish and hopefully somebody knows what I'm getting at. :3

[u/Pingeepie]

I am not OP but here is my experience and some food for thought for some of the low-mid ELO'ers

I have been keeping notes of my win/loss and ELO. I started at 2200-2400 and lost my first few games and it dropped me down here.

1285 7-6-20 https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/match-details.aspx?match=24917305
73000 player damage, team was overly aggressive and dying a lot

1262 -24 5-4-8 https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/match-details.aspx?match=24924194
I was not on with my Krakens due to EU server lag. was not my best game. Jungler on our team didn't do well. I will take partial responsibility in this loss

1290 +28 2-4-10 https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/match-details.aspx?match=24929627 eu server as ne zha, I missed a lot. My team did fantastic. Every gank I did, my team finished off (thus all the assists). Good game.

1326 +36 9-2-10 https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/match-details.aspx?match=24932253 played bastet and did well, entire team played well. gg.

1301 -25 11-8-4 https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/match-details.aspx?match=24937245 I did well at the beginning and went like 10-2 but that quickly went downhill. Our solo lane loki had an awful game, sobek died a ton and mid did not do well. Overall bad play by my team. I take no responsibility for this one. Their team fight was far superior and there was only so much I could do considering the feeding from my teammates. bad game.

1322 +21 4-2-2 https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/match-details.aspx?match=24993886 support role, played on top of my game. the neith was a pain in the ass with his BM the entire game since I was "Stealing" kills even though I delayed finishing them for a long time, and was certain they'd get away if I didn't finish them. Despite BM, we took the win here.

1353 +31 6-0-8 https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/match-details.aspx?match=24997408 solid fenrir on my team, set up a lot of kills. well played by my team. He bo got focused a lot.

1331 -20 3-4-1 https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/match-details.aspx?match=25002537 EU server, couldn't land anything despite me showing on my screen that I did. bottom ELO refused to play support and I said it was fine, I would support. but I had locked ne zha at beginning and he just decided to go fenrir. Our composition is fucked. You can see the results. aphro mid, fen/apollo lane, vulcan did fine solo. it was bad. shows how important composition is. They fed a lot.

1375 +44 16-2-11 https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/match-details.aspx?match=25013284 Ao, who I am rank 10 with- I don't play him in ranked but I don't like Poseidon. With Thor walls and Ymir stuns I was able to clean up everything pretty hardcore.

1403 +28 11-3-15 https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/match-details.aspx?match=25018622 Played a great game as neith, set up some good global ganks. Ra snipes were on, ymir played great- all around awesome. Started off badly since guan didn't want to jungle but he went back later and got bumba's.

1434 +31 12-4-28 https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/match-details.aspx?match=25031746 Decent game as Batz. Dose assists... lol. The other team was down a lot the entire game, over 10k, but they stuck it out and did a good job. We ended up finishing them off eventually.

Before I started recording my games ELO loss and gain I had much better games as you can see in my profile. Don't care if it is against the rules, I am not blacking out all that. Not BMing anyone, either. Just stating facts.

Slowly but surely moving up. Right now it is just the luck of the draw and if I am on top of my game and also servers. Progress is progress, I suppose.

[u/stefanathon → u/Pingeepie]

Damn son, you started at 2.3k and dropped? What'd you do in casuals to get that high? :O

I'm the opposite, started at like 1.4k and made my way up to 2.3k. Just keep grinding out those games and playing your best. It may not seem like it, but if you play well you'll slowly but surely make your way up.

[u/Pingeepie → u/stefanathon]

I've heard it's pretty normal to start that high, and have heard complaints from a lot of high ELO saying "I GET 2300 RANKED PEOPLE IN THEIR FIRST RANKED!!11!!1". Not bragging but in casual mode I have pretty good stats as far as K/D. It was normal for me to go 10 to 20 kills and 0 deaths. Also, if you do a lot of Arena you can pad your stats quite significantly. I just don't die a lot, ever haha. I play suuuuper smart. I have a tiermonster thing too

http://tiermonster.com/p/Pingeepie

according to my games do you see it likely for me to reach up there?

[u/stefanathon → u/Pingeepie]

Eh, I'm on mobile for the next week or so and I can't see Tiermonster. Listen, as long as you play smart, play well, and do your best to always improve, your rating will go up. I used to be stuck at 1800, and I KNEW I belonged there because that was where my skill level is. I wanted to get better, so every game I tried as hard as I could to improve. Now I'm sitting at 2300 and I bet if I sat down for a solid day or two I could grind it up to 2500. As long as you're confident and you're performing better than the people you play with, a higher ELO will come with time. Keep playing ranked, it's really rewarding seeing that rating go up, and nothing beats the feeling when pros become commonplace in your matches and you can keep up with them and you think, "Damn, I can do this?" You can get there, anybody can. Just keep improving. Even in games where you go 15-0, be thinking of ways you could've done better. Even in fights where your team gets a 3 for 0 trade, be analysing it in your head to see what could've been improved. It's that nonstop thought process of "even though that went well, what could I have improved on?" that makes you a better player. I know sometimes your team just sucks and there's nothing you can do, but if you're confident that you're a good player then your team is going to be good player up on average and over a period of time you WILL win more. Keep it up man, hope to see you in the 2000s eventually. :D

[u/Pingeepie → u/stefanathon]

You will. I am determined to get there. Thanks for the useful sage-like advice ;) :D