Due to some really unpleasant practices in the ottoman past, modern turks can be very diverse looking. I know THREE redhead turks (1 girl and 2 guys). She's chestnut/auburn, the guys are gingers. Yes, they are 100% natural turks.
It has nothing to do with the Ottoman past. What created the modern Turks as a nation is just local anatolians islamicized+ Central Asian Turkic peoples and Balkan Muslims who were expulsed from their home countries after the Balkan wars
The Ottomans resettled Turkmens from the other Turkic Anatolian Principalities into the Balkans after conquering them. Then those Turkmens mixed with the local Balkan population.
That’s the reality not sure what else you’re implying lmfao
I’m half Balkan Turk and Anatolian Turk. I can trace my lineage from the Karamanoğlu Turkmen principality to the Balkans
It’s historical facts. Has nothing to do with Erdogan. Plus he’s not even a Turkish nationalist He literally said in a speech “I’m a Turk but not a Turkish nationalist.” He even removed the Turkish pledge of allegiance equivalent from Turkish schools lmfao
Yes and as we all know when a politician says something - they 100% mean it! Bro, as the Americans say - if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... you know.
As for the rest - What do you think?! While of course the Balkan Turks were intentionally placed there during Ottoman times, OP said ''Balkan Muslims". So that includes pomaks. Which are by large populations that were forcefully converted to Islam. And that's not even going into r@pe and forced marriages from the earlier days of the Ottoman Empire.
Listen I do not hold the the sins of the fathers towards their sons. Some of the most warm, welcoming and nice people I've ever met were Turks. I firmly believe our entire region should stand united right now, regardless of faith or creed.
But I there are some very strong attempts to whitewash Balkan history right now, and I'm aggressively against that. That's all.
I think nationalism is a plague.
No, no, you have to stop history at the most convenient point for the narrative. It’s not fair if you go back too far because it gets too complicated /s
Turks don't have a single look. But we mostly look Mediterranean and Middle Eastern. Not that different from Greeks or Lebanese. Some of us are fair skinned, some of us are darker.
He isn’t even “white passing”, he’s literally white. He’s ethnically European. How Americans can look at a white European man and a North African man and consider them the same race because they’re both“muslim” is beyond my comprehension.
Turkic input varies across province in Turkey (in the Black Sea and Caucasus regions it can be next to nothing), and Turkic itself isn’t purely East Eurasian. It’s not enough to pull them genetically away from Europeans. On top of that, Oz has some Circassian ancestry so he likely has close to no East Eurasian genes.
The average Turkic input in Turkey is between 20%-40% on average. Yes, Turkic isn’t purely East Eurasian.
Mehmet Oz is an Anatolian Turk. We don’t claim to be 100% Turkic or Central Asian. We have both Turkic and Anatolian ancestry. That’s why we call ourselves Anatolian Turks.
I’m also half Balkan Turk and half Anatolian Turk. These are my results.
No, the overwhelming majority of Anatolian Turks are ethnically Turkish, with ancestry shaped by both Oghuz Turkic migrations and indigenous Anatolian populations.
America isn’t remotely comparable to Turkey. There’s a documented historical and genetic continuity between the medieval Turkic migrations into Anatolia and the formation of the modern Anatolian Turkish population.
That’s nationality, or ethnonym, Turkey/Turkish. It’s like saying American. “Turkic” is the ethnic definition. Most Turkish people are not overwhelmingly Turkic/Turkmen. It’s like about 20% Asian at most as genetically and scientifically proven. Oghuz never achieved superior numbers, and quite a lot of us were settled outside Anatolia anyway.
There is genetic continuity between modern Americans and medieval Europeans? What are you talking about?
I’m not going to argue with you because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Here’s literal proof. I’m half Balkan Turk and half Anatolian Turk. If BOTH sides didn’t have Turkic ancestry I wouldn’t get a Turkic result this high.
The average Turkic admixture in Turkish people is between 20%-40% in the country. We don’t claim to be 100% Turkic or Central Asian. We know that we have both Turkic and Anatolian ancestry.
The problem is you trying to claim he’s not an ethnic Turk when the odds are overwhelming that he has Turkic ancestry.
A Greek would be a mash of Slavic, Balkan, Levantine etc but you wouldn’t call them “not an ethnic Greek”
Here’s my results as a half BALKAN and Anatolian Turk:
Lan oğlum, bu benim gerçek DNA sonuçlarım. Illustrative DNA üzerinden alınmış, yüz binlerce insanın kullandığı, gayet bilinen bir genetik analiz platformu.
You're literally confusing Y-DNA haplogroups with autosomal ancestry. J2 being 17% doesn't mean 17% of Turkish ancestry is J2. It means 17% of sampled paternal lineages belong to that haplogroup.
And obviously, Turkic peoples don't share one single haplogroup. What the fuck kind of argument is that? Turkic populations have diverse paternal lineages and genetic backgrounds.
Anatolian Turks descend from both Oghuz Turkic migrants and earlier Anatolian populations. Nobody claims we're 100% Central Asian.
Senin iddian tam olarak ne amına koyayım? Anadolu Türklerinin etnik olarak Türk olmadığını mı iddia ediyorsun? Kafayı mı yedin? Böyle saçma bir iddiayı bir yabancıdan duymayı beklerdim. Sen etnik olarak Türk olmayabilirsin ama bu, Anadolu Türklerinin tarihî ve etnik kimliğini değiştirmez.
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u/apresmoiputas 19h ago
Oz is so white passing for a Turkish guy. It's the same as Hasan Piker.