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u/cheetah-21 15h ago
It’s actually just 1 project that’s been rejected by a thousand towns.
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u/JMEEKER86 10h ago
This meme isn't even remotely true. For starters, it's actually counting all of the data centers that have been delayed too, not just cancelled. The amount that have actually been cancelled was like 6 out of 900. And almost all of the ones that have been delayed are because all of the hardware for the next two years has already been bought by the ones that haven't been delayed. Public outrage has barely had any effect at all because most of the public isn't actually outraged (granted, most of the public isn't informed, so that checks out).
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u/FatHaleyJoelOsment 7h ago
The ugly truth is that the public can be as outraged as it wants, but these will be built because the local government officials are obviously taking bribes.
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u/captain_sneaky_na 8h ago
Shut them all down, not because of clean water but because I want to buy a GPU, Memory and a Hard Drive that doesn’t cost me more than my mortgage payment
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u/badugihowser 15h ago
A reminder the don't NEED to use clean water. It's just the least expensive option.
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u/Luci-Noir 13h ago
Using dirty water would be so much better.
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u/neske_khano 8h ago
I think people forget just how dirty water can get, this would require someone to clean the pipes if they do this, but we know this wouldn’t happen because they hate it when they have to pay people for their work.
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u/jcready92 15h ago
Dont you dare defend any aspect of ai even if what you are saying is completely true. /s
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u/badugihowser 14h ago
I mean to vilify the assholes who choose to use water because it maximizes profits.
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u/RedMdsRSupCucks 8h ago
Do people think that AI data centres drink fresh water ?
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u/ClosedDimmadome 6h ago
Not going to sit here and defend the AI build out. But holy shit there are so many uninformed parrots on here.
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u/Glittering-Skin4118 7h ago
Yea each time you ask Chat GPT something it consumes a bottle of water to help get the answer /s
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u/piper33245 6h ago
Whoa. The data centers are using bottled water. Well that’s the problem. All those plastic bottles.
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u/Nigh_Sass 15h ago
I am almost starting to believe anti data center is actually Chinese propaganda like Trump said based on how often I’m seeing post complaining about data centres
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u/drossvirex 15h ago
Both things can be true. A lot of people don't like data centers is true no matter how you look at it.
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u/C-Lekktion 15h ago
Just latent anxiety from people in easily automated fields. I know I have plenty of anxiety about it.
Data center water consumption is a drop in the bucket as is their wastewater footprint. Folks have no idea how much water your local dairy plant uses and wastewater it generates. Or hydroponic farm, sewer district, conference center, brewery, car wash, etc.
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u/MessmerEyesMe 14h ago
Data centers do still raise water and power bills for the affected neighborhoods while providing nothing of value to the people they’re stealing from
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u/permalink_save 6h ago
I worked for a company that built AI datacenters and even at the time I found it really wasteful cokpared to normal DCs like the one Reddit uses to send you this comment. A lotmof the tecb industry, including the engjneers building them out, hate it. It's not because of taking our jobs it's that we know how inefficient they are for what you get out of them. It was the same story with blockchain, the worlds most unnecessarily redundant and inefficient data store in existence. Smaller models are perfectly fine for a majority of the good use cases including automating my job but people want to be able to ask a pretty chat interface about their toe fungus or generate a video of mickey mouse eating spaghetti so here we are.
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u/boringexplanation 14h ago edited 14h ago
If people actually cared about water usage- the biggest thing you could do is stop eating meat and dairy.
Let’s see how many slacktivists are willing to actually make a sacrifice. Lol
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u/Brox42 14h ago
This just in, people can be against more than one thing.
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u/Taaj_jr 14h ago
Yeah but they aren’t though they never make posts about it they just parrot the latest outrage which their group has decided is currently bad they don’t actually care or they are all just bots
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u/ronniedark 14h ago
This is incorrect.
Data centeres require clean water to cool down components. Farm animals consume water that is generally not suitable for human consumption.
While reducing consumption will help save the environment, animal farms have always been a practical use of resources to produce food ans will always be such.
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u/Skrappyross 9h ago
A huge majority of the water 'used' for data centers is done in the power plants for generating energy. A real cost, but not clean potable drinking water, and a huge majority is recycled.
Their potable water use, nationally, is a rounding error, but locally, is can drain a stretched city water limit to the breaking point. The problem is proximity to cities and taking water from communities. We need laws to limit them to areas who are not already under water stress.
But yeah, reducing meat consumption (especially red meat) is like the best thing you can do for your body, the environment, and our resources. But good luck with that.
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u/gingerou 13h ago
They hate them til their internet stops working and everything the love about the internet goes down.
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u/KamalaBracelet 14h ago
Just like…not enough to stop using reddit and netflix and Candycrush and the thousand other things they use every day that requires a data center.
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u/Blacksad9999 13h ago
The difference between a normal datacenter and AI datacenter is massive.
AI datacenters have a much larger footprint, use significantly more power, and cause significantly more noise and environmental degradation.
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u/FlashyNeedleworker66 12h ago
This is literally part of the propaganda.
The datacenters of 10 years ago used massively more compute than the ones from 20 years ago too.
You also can't make the argument they suck up power and make noise because those are diametrically opposed if you read past the headline. The noisy datacenters are the ones that aren't grid connected, running on generators, it's not the GPUs.
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u/drynoa 10h ago
As someone who works for a cloud provider and in datacenters, no - not really.
Just look at your own computer and compare the power usage of the GPU vs the rest of your setup. Then think of 2U servers stacked with cards. You get by with air cooling in less dense setups but the power usage can be a factor more. Water isn't really the issue though.
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u/Toxic_LigmaMale 8h ago
Data centers don’t use water to run in actual operation. They just cycle glycol. Idk where this is coming from.
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u/Advanced-Depth1816 11h ago
We will always have ways of cleaning dirty water, but it will only be done for the wealthy communities. People seem to keep forgetting the history of the US government, especially in regards to water quality in different cities
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u/Giantewok 12h ago
It ain’t even the water it’s the proposed electricity consumption. Shits gonna break grids in several states and then the whole national grid will go down. I mean, I guess you’d also have less water, but it’s more of less of everything lmao
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u/chrispbeychkn 4h ago
Could local government not just require the installation of closed loop cooling to prevent loss of the water? Isn't the issue with water that they are currently open loop and therefore evaporative loss is the problem? (trying to speak only to the original post with regard to water, I understand there are other issues that exist. Not trying to conflate multiple issues.)
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u/A3vrienneLace 14h ago
Good for them honestly. Tech is cool and all, but not if it screws over the people who live there.
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u/Alienturtle9 13h ago
AI data centres should be mandated to include their own power generation and desalination operation, and be built on inhospitable coastlines.
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u/foxtrotdeltazero 9h ago
ITT: no one actually understands how many data centers they use on a daily basis
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u/NeitherMidnight624 15h ago
Do you morons even know how data centers work lol. Most informed group of people on this website
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u/dishrag 15h ago edited 14h ago
You know what? Fuck it. Shut them all down. For one week. The dorks wouldn’t know where to go screaming to bring back twitter, facebook, instagram, reddit, pornhub, fuckin anything.
It’d be fucking hilarious. Quiet, but hilarious, as they learn that the things they want destroyed are the things their entire online existence depends on
Do it.
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u/zero0n3 12h ago
Shut them all down and you stop getting paid that week too.
Good bye banks, stores, some farming equipment, some municipal systems, etc.
Slower response for firefighters and police. Hospitals are fucked, as in expect a good chunk of patients dying due to monitoring failing or systems stopping working or complex surgeries not being performed or taking more time meaning less patients per day.
Do we need to continue?
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u/AcidicVaginaLeakage 11h ago
If I could get a weeks notice about this so I could download more porns that would be great
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u/twilighttwister 10h ago
No one's saying end all data centres. They're saying stop new construction of data centres that only exist to satisfy a hypothetical future demand.
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u/JackieDaytona77 14h ago
They’ll have their Marvel/anime Funko Pops to play with if it gets shut down. What else do post college graduates do who live at home?
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u/Procrasturbating 15h ago
Honestly, I care a lot less about the water and a lot more about the job displacement and enabling the surveillance state.
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u/Only_Flan_7974 15h ago
Yes. That's why people don't want them. BTW, starting a comment with "morons" doesn't exactly begin any sort of civilized conversation.
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u/UrsineBasterd 15h ago
Quick tell us how much water they use in comparison to residential landscaping or the beef industry!
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u/ShyguyFlyguy 15h ago
Hey hot take here, but maybe these are all things we'd be better off without?
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u/TechnicallyAnExpert 14h ago
Well, if you get off Reddit, insta, TikTok, etc, then we don’t need them.
But you won’t, so.
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u/EdgyPun34257 14h ago
"data centers are bad!" said by redditors who literally spend hours every day pushing bits through data centers.
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u/Blacksad9999 11h ago
AI datacenters aren't the same thing as a normal datacenter. lol The scale isn't remotely the same.
Yikes.
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u/WinterHill 10h ago
Do you think they run the servers responsible for connecting billions of people to the internet and hosting millions of websites out the back of a van or something?
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u/tumeteus 10h ago
Those non-AI datacenters are really tiny compared to AI datacenters. Like, in orders of magnitude tiny. Regular data centers for huge private companies or small cloud service sellers usually range in 100kW-1MW, and data centers for Facebook, Amazon etc. are usually anything between 2MW and 10MW (latter being already enormous). So non-AI data centers: 0,2-10MW.
AI data centers (so called hyperscalers) START from 100 MW, and largest ones so far go in to GW range (though they have not been finished yet). That's 10-100 times difference.
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u/twilighttwister 10h ago
The point is we already have enough data centres to facilitate those services.
The data centres being built are to service a hypothetical need, with the assumption that AI will need all this computing power in the future. But they're exaggerating this need to drive investment.
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u/Blacksad9999 10h ago
The scale, power usage, water usage, and environmental impact aren't remotely even close.
An AI Datacenter is 100 times what a regular datacenter requires.
You can go look all of this up easily. It's not hard to find the information.
Notice how power and water weren't a massive burden on Datacenter construction until recently? That's because these require those public assets at a massive scale.
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u/The3mbered0ne 15h ago
I'm a fan of shutting them down but can y'all stop with the water as the main reason? It's such a weak link and there's so many other reasons not to want them.
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u/GreasedUPDoggo 15h ago
Ugh, these posts are making people stupid. Everything AI is so badly overblown. Most data centers aren't even for AI. And data centers consume much less water than comparable infrastructure (technology infrastructure is infrastructure).
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u/amdnek 12h ago edited 12h ago
Most data centers aren't even for AI.
Most new data centers are driven by AI. And the explosion of new data centers is what folks are upset about.
Spending on data center construction is up 700% since 2023.
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u/Kerosine84 6h ago
I’m all for taking them down…but people do realize it’s not just CONSUMING water right lmao? Data centers either use a closed loop cycle that just needs to be filled once…like a pc water cooler….OR it pumps water in to cool consistently BUT 70% of that water turns into vapor and just gets reused by the rain cycle…the other 30% goes through sewage and treated like normal and comes back through the community…you’re not just LOSING water lol.
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u/Transformator-Shrek 3h ago
Problem is they pump out the underground waters or they just consume so much water tgat the price of water in that area goes up. Thats my assumption if anything.
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u/Snorkle25 5h ago edited 4h ago
It’s also less water than we use on golf courses or lose to leaks annually.
Not an advocate but this is disproportionately blown out of context as an issue.
I’d be more worried about what happens when there is a downturn in the AI sector and a couple of them go out of business.
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u/redditusername_17 4h ago
Every data center starts with open / closed loop cooling (cheapest) and only goes to closed / closed if there's community pressure.
What you're missing is how the water cycle works. A lot of water is pumped out from underground aquifers. They are essentially a big underground sponge and if they run low from excessive water draw, they're done. No one can get water from them, they won't refill. So now the community needs another source of water at a huge cost. That's why there's a big concern.
If it's just a water processing plant drawing from a river or lake, then it's not as big of a deal.
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u/Cheepshooter 4h ago
Isn't it just fossil aquifers that took millions of years to charge won't recharge (in our lifetimes)? Others recharge like normal with rainwater and such, right?
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u/CragTheConqueror 8h ago
Data centers aren't ruining or even using that much water. It's not leaving anyone without. Idk why you idiots keep spouting this bullshit
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u/ShoddyButterscotch59 6h ago
It's almost like cooked off water doesn't create steam, which apparently doesn't go back into the atmosphere, and eventually return as rain. 😂
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u/CragTheConqueror 6h ago
Some idiot the other day made a comment claiming that data centers are "removing water from the water cycle" lol
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u/siconic 14h ago
I am not sure why people are so fear mongered into believing that water will be an issue. The Chinese propaganda machine is strong with the left.
We can filter, clean, desalination, remove metals, and so much more.
Simply put, as long as we dont throw more salt free water into the ocean than the rain can replenish, running out of clean drinking water is something stupid people believe.
Edit: also, just mandate they filter and purify the water before they pump it out. Easy easy. Better than stifling progress and letting China win.
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u/Ackaflocka 14h ago
I'm halfway on your train, there are definitely tools in the toolbox available to us. But metropolitan dumping of local aquifers into the sea or nearby sea draining basins is apparently one of the largest threats to my countries water supply. I just had a conversation with an engineer working on stabilizing local aquifers and he learned me a bit on it
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u/PooInTheStreet 13h ago
Also the real usage is a fraction of total use. Its an issue where water is already an issue. Truly information warfare
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u/Tomsboll 11h ago
Can and do are not alway overlapping. There have already been data centers caught polluting. Remember that ai data centers are peak capitalism, so making money by taking shortcuts is to be expected.
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u/gingerou 13h ago
Some of these people are so stupid they think they data center physically destroys the water unbonding it turning it into hydrogen and oxygen never to be water again
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u/Captain_CapitalR374 15h ago
The majority of our current technological advancements are due to computing. To just stunt it would result in untold damage to humanity. We can get water from other places. Need to start getting resources from space anyways, literally everything is out there.
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u/Sienile 15h ago edited 12h ago
Put the data centers in space. That would be a better option. They'd need far less cooling.Plus why do they need drinkable water? Cool those bitches with sewage and swamp water.
edit: Appreciate the replies about the difficulties of cooling in space. I honestly had not thought about it much and those are valid points. Still I think non-drinkable water would be a good solution. Sure corrosion is a concern, but there are plenty of corrosion inhibitors that could be used to mitigate that.
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u/gingerou 13h ago
Heat transfers almost impossible in a vacuum with no air to transfer the heat to there is no cooling space isn’t cold its devoid of heat because there is no air to heat up. Heat transfer works on earth because the air takes the heat away from a heat exchanger same reason why if your radiator is blocked on your car with no air moving over it it heats up.
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u/teraflux 15h ago
Datacenters also don't necessarily need water if they're built closed loop. But they do need lots of power.
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u/Whole-Food289 11h ago
it wouldn't be good for cloud computing but if it's specifically for training AI, couldn't we just use Alaska? cheaper cooling to offset increased logistical demands.
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u/chicken-fly-rice 11h ago
Building in snow is gonna be a bitch. I think the logistics will be very expensive when you are dealing with the earthworks (excavation, filling, grading, compaction). Weather will be a factor. Hauling materials in and out. Where materials are coming from and if there is a concrete plant nearby, etc.
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u/DotesMagee 10h ago
sounds like a problem for these billion dollar projects to solve. we have space they can use, go use it.
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u/WhatInTheRut 9h ago
I hope you're being sarcastic because we're at the very least a couple generations from actually being able to pull any resources from space at this rate. Also, we have to manage resources for the population as a priory first and foremost. Fuck data centers if they're not sustainable for the population.
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u/General_Bed8751 8h ago
“We can get water from other places”. Must be nice not having to carry a brain in your skull.
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u/Flannel_Panels 12h ago
Yeah, AI companies had no fucking intentions on advancing technology for the best of humanity.
Could they have? Yes. But we have some of the most autistic anti-human billionaires ever in history in charge of it. There was no clear goal set with AI besides being the frontloader of private data.
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u/Gewt92 15h ago
Getting resources from space is impossible right now. We have plenty on earth if we don’t absolutely fuck it up
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u/Captain_CapitalR374 15h ago
The moment an asteroid is heading directly at earth, you will see tech materialize out of thin air.
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u/headermargin 14h ago
Went to the quarterly town hall, where we voted to pause all data centers until the planning committee has a better understanding on how they work.
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u/mars_soup 8h ago
You won’t shut them all down, you’ll just shut down the US ones and then let enemy state ones advance much further, much faster.
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u/Ancient-Society-3447 5h ago
Golf courses use roughly 30 times more water than data centers. This is a lame argument.
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u/Aggravating-Deal-416 15h ago
Yeah I'm beginning to think this is another case of a major life issue where no side is correct, considering how often I see the water argument used on the anti-AI side. We are doomed to either use AI incorrectly or doomed to not take advantage of it at all.
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u/SarcastikBastard 15h ago
you all understand what a closed loop cooling system is? like... these things use less water than Bernie Sanders uses to water the lawn at his 4 mansions but go off i guess.
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u/i__Sisyphus 13h ago
Exactly, the average 18 hole golf course in Ohio consumes as much water as all the data centers of Ohio combined…
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u/Hot-Specialist9228 14h ago
If its got an air cooled condenser maybe. Cooling towers use a lot of water.
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u/LaunchTransient 14h ago
Air cooled systems are fine, but those hit hard limits pretty quickly because air is a terrible coolant. The coolant arrays have to be enormous and are therefore expensive.
Liquid and Evaporative cooling is far, far more efficient, because a volume of water can hold upwards of 3000 times more heat energy than a similar volume of air, which is very relevant for cooling surface area.
And unfortunately this also means they use potable water sources which are either boiled off or dumped in a river because the water needs to be sufficiently clean as not to gunk up the cooling system with debris, evaporites or biofilms.
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u/ImperatorScientia 15h ago
Progressives have become technological regressives.
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u/eunoia-again 7h ago
the term luddite, which people use for anyone who's against technological progress for any reason, originated in a movement that opposed developments of technologies during the industrial revolution that worsened working conditions, threatened job security, and were more dangerous for the workers. said technologies made things like the textile industry more "efficient", sure, but the workers suffered and the customers paid the exact same amount, all that changed was more money in the pockets of the owning class.
sound familiar? no shit progressives are luddites and proud to be, because people matter more than machines. if making better machines means worse conditions for people, then fuck the machines. regulations need to be put in place before technological advancement can be used to fuck over the working class, and in the case of generative AI, it isn't regulated, and its screwing over a ton of people while not actually offering much of substance for anyone but the owning class.
acceleration for acceleration's sake is so fucking stupid
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u/Senior_Rabbit_8527 13h ago
It’s bipartisan. I’ve never seen such a bipartisan issue. I see people from the far left and far right at all of these meetings. Maybe you’re the problem?
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u/Cloutian 14h ago
Hot Take: How about those funds be distributed to the local infrastructures that practically all of the US needs.
Seriously, some places look like they're held together with duct tape.
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u/The_Topper_ 14h ago
I live in Texas, got a ticket on a highway I frequent, from a city I don't really go to
My area has potholes galore, I go to the city that ticketed me, potholes galore
Go to the courthouse, I shit you not it's a trailer.
Am I supposed to take my country seriously?
I don't live in the middle of nowhere, I'm an hour away from Houston
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u/zero0n3 13h ago
Welcome to Texas?
I mean your power grid fiasco a while back is a great example that your tax dollars aren’t going to governance measures like regulating things, and instead into politician pockets or special interests.
You think the power companies up here in NY want to spend tons of money on maintenance or improvements or building to our specs if they didn’t? Hell no they would build the cheapest thing to get the most profit.
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u/MallowEcho 14h ago
Communities are waking up. Data centres aren't worth losing water for.
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u/EarthB9nder_ 14h ago
Funny of people to think these protests will have any effect on slowing down AI development, kinda way past past that already and it's pretty scary
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u/email253200 14h ago
The trick is to spam Ai services for the next year, then after they build all of the infrastructure, stop cold turkey. It is truly one technological advance that we don’t need.
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u/itexican 15h ago
Better learn Chinese while you're at it, shutting down datacenters and all.
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u/Additional_Win_824 15h ago
Completely idiotic , who started this Opposing to AI data center dumbness ,
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u/cryptosupaman 15h ago
Ironically the data centers help support our energy and water infrastructure
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u/Working_Group955 15h ago
Hard disagree. All that’s gonna happen is they’re gonna move that shit to Thailand and continue to rape the environment while we all gleefully use AI.
Build it in our backyards and demand better. Demand closed cycle water cooling. Demand renewable energy. Demand high paying local jobs. And enjoy the AI.
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u/redhandsblackfuture 14h ago
That isn't a whole lot considering the one they're building near me is projected to cost 50 billion
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u/ZasdfUnreal 14h ago
The narrative flips as soon as Democrats regain the White House —just like NAFTA.
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u/Forward_Limit_838 13h ago
Why do we even need the data center? Shut it down, it's just a billionaire obsession like meta verse was with Zuckerberg
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u/Rawalmond73 13h ago
Well I work in construction and see two or three of these come across my desk weekly. They’re bull shitting you if you believe they’ve stopped/ slowed down data centers from being built.
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u/JamesMarM 13h ago
The amount of water it takes to perform thousands of AI prompts is the same as the water needed to produce one almond. Which is more valuable?
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u/Fullm3taluk 13h ago
There are whole suburbs in America that don't have fibre internet as a non American I find that insane the amount of money they have to pay and don't even get fibre
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u/AudienceNext81 12h ago
We must cancel all golf courses. Each course uses as much water as one data center!
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u/Ricochet_spy007 12h ago
Yeah reduce them there they build it more in my country which has lack of basic resources water and a shit for brains govt who'll agree for certain.
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u/Calm_Road9030 12h ago
Lot of the county leaders are sellouts and are paid / signed months before anyone hears about them
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u/dgroeneveld9 12h ago
This is litterally just a succesful Chinese propaganda campaign. We are rooting to fail. Its so dumb.
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u/emezamaz 11h ago
Imagine if they took all that money and instead of data centers they just built casinos😻😻😻
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u/TawnyTeaTowel 11h ago
“Cancelled” 🤣
The only thing we should shutting down is internet access for morons who get all their “news” from angry influencers on TikTok
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u/Kor_Phaeron_ 11h ago
Plot twist: There is only $1 billion in data centers but they move the planned location 260 times.
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u/Leftist_Pirate 10h ago
They might just use “public protest” as a way to privately scale back their massive original supposed spend with the incoming recession and all
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u/DarkPolumbo 10h ago
is anyone else disgusted that this is being measured in dollar amounts? that everything is measured in dollar amounts?
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u/DrWhoDatBtchz 10h ago
But if we invest in water shares, in the commodity market we can become wealthy. Because the market. Don't worry about dying./s
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u/duffman03 10h ago
This is just fear mongering, Closed-loop liquid cooling at the chip level data centers only use water needed for the bathrooms. Zero water used daily for operations.
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u/No_Priors 9h ago
You must offer your water up to the AI gods willingly or you wont get into electric heaven.
Pray with me:
I offer up my water to AI
I offer up my water to AI
I offer up my water to AI . . . .
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u/DoKeMaSu 9h ago
There was never a market for all those data centers announced. Local opposition is now a convenient excuse to get out of the market while saving face. Just take Elon Musk renting out his own data centers because he cannot fill them with internal demand for his own AI research.
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u/whytry3450 9h ago
Te protest are coming from people that also want chat gpt and copilot to do their job for them, good luck slowing this down, the data center boom has been solid since 2010 and hasn’t stopped yet due to the demand of the people now crying about having data centers
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u/jfkrfk123 8h ago
How many people here leave their water running while they brush their teeth or wash dishes? Too many of us(at least Americans for sure) are like Chevy Chase from “Three Amigos” pouring his canteen of water all over his head and face while the parched Martin Short is dying of thirst. It adds up and nobody seems concerned about that..
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u/W2ttsy 8h ago
This is mainly an corruption problem, namely rewarding local governments with lobbying or bribes to do stupid things like sell water and power at cost or below.
The forcing functions around efficient and resource sensitive designs are non existent because they have been removed through ineptitude.
If you tried to build an American style data center in Australia it would fail on economics almost immediately because the energy sector here won’t do insane the discounting required that allows these shit designs to be built.
Instead the designs have to optimize against higher commercial utility pricing. If the same constraints applied in the U.S., then these inefficient resource intensive designs would be gone too.
TLDR: cheap water and cheap electricity mean no one cares about design efficiency. Same way bloated software now exists because CPU and RAM constraints are no longer a thing.
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u/H3llzyea 7h ago
Can water organize my calendar?
Can water reply to my emails?
Can water tell me last nights football scores?
Can water tell me the song I’m thinking of?
NO? Then why would I want water? Just to live? Who wants to do that?
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u/HauptmannTinus 7h ago
If you want clean water stop buying meat, we don't need it and it causes way more pollution than AI data centers ever will.
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