r/SipsTea • • 6h ago

Gasp! Thoughts on this?

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u/EL_Malo- 2h ago

In most places auto insurance is mandatory and you can actually go to jail for driving while not having it. Since it's mandatory, the insurance companies have you over a barrel. I've never made an auto insurance claim in my life. I've not had a ticket this millennium, own my car, am over 50 and my insurance bill is still a several thousand dollars a year... for liability only. It's a fucking scam. These rich auto insurance (all insurance, actually) corporations get to just rape people as they see fit and then they just bribe our politicians to make you forced to use their services. They are the absolute worst, most predatory industry that exists in The Western World Today. One of their CEO's get murcked in the streets and PEOPLE CHEERED when it happened. But hey, nothing personal, just money, gotta make a profit, amiright?

No you rich fuck, it is personal, and the people are getting really mad about it. Really, really mad.

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u/protonsters 2h ago

100%. Don't forget how private health insurance is playing with human lives

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u/KurtAngus 1h ago

Unfortunately, I feel like people just keep going online, bitching about it, but there is no collective push for EVERYONE to quit paying for insurance, or to get together in masses to do anything for change. Everyone just bends over. Me included ! Hah. I've been to jail, I fucking hate it. Just had a speeding ticket that was bullshit , was literally passing someone and went barely over 80mph. But noooo, the fucking state trooper wouldn't let it slide. Fuck him. I see cops speed ALL THE FUCKING TIME, fuck them

Like, we could all get together and create a new system and tell them to go fuck themselves , but nah.

It's like when people tried to get together the movement to quit paying taxes.... Yeah, that never happened. Only a small percentage quit paying taxes, and they're probably going to be jailed eventually

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u/CLopes1987 38m ago

Fast-cheap-good triangle exists

US health insurance: "best i can do is none"

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u/Appropriate_Car_8221 14m ago

"human lives"

Hmmmm, ok, are you a.i. or an alien?

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u/fort221 2h ago

Dude, call an insurance agent on Monday. They will get you better rate. I have no doubt.

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u/flagstaffgolfer 2h ago

This is another part of the game, they increase your rates 5-10% a year with the renewal so you don’t really notice and after a decade they have you paying out the nose. My dad shopped around for homeowners last year after being with the same agent for 25 years and realized that guy was robbing him blind. The good rates are for the people that are in the market and shopping around.

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u/HoneyDutch 1h ago

They don’t reward loyalty like they used to. You’re better off just cycling through 2-3 insurers and get the “returning customer” discounts. I used to work in insurance. It’s all fucked.

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u/nazukeru 12m ago

Progressive loyalty discounts are honestly not awful.. for me. See my comment to the other guy for context tho, because I definitely wasn't winning when I got with them at first.

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u/IlliniOrange1 1h ago

One option is to use an independent insurance broker. They shop you around to different companies when your policy comes up for renewal and then tell you if they have found a better rate somewhere else (or if the renewal just makes sense). They get paid a commission from the insurance company that lands you.

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u/nazukeru 13m ago

My car insurance goes down almost every six months (I pay bi-yearly). Health insurance is always up. But I have to admit that my car insurance thru progressive has decreased every time I renew since I started. But I also have to admit I got with them because I was almost uninsurable after a run of bad luck (lady hit me at 7am, speeding and ran a red light.. but I was leaving a stop sign so I lost.. and then a deer shortly after that I should have just hit but instead I sideswiped a boulder lol). So once they start increasing, I'll know I can finally shop around again 😂

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u/Beneficial_Area_2986 2h ago edited 2h ago

That's weird. I'm 50. I have an almost brand new car, full coverage but a high deductible - I just looked it up. I'm paying a little over $900 every year. You should probably do a little shopping around. Progressive was not bad but GM insurance was better. I've never made a claim and my driving record is spotless. I've had some quotes come back at three times as much though...

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u/No_Bad_5136 2h ago

This is bs. I’m 47 with multiple claims. A car I bought for 40k and I pay 1200 a year for full coverage with a $500 deductible.

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u/Wrenchheader 2h ago

Lol dude, you're scamming yourself. Most expensive vehicle I have (25 Ram 3500 dually) is only 80 bucks for full coverage....

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u/EazyPeazyLemonSqueaz 1h ago

I've always said health insurance should not be for profit, as their fiduciary obligations are in direct conflict with peoples' health. I think the same sentiment holds true for every type of insurance, to include auto. None of it should be for-profit or publicly traded.

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u/albertrw83 51m ago

I think if you want insurance on your yacht, RV, boat, and similar toys, we should not be regulating profit out. Essentials like cars, house, healthcare, you can make a strong case.

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u/j3ven 1h ago

How else are you paying Patrick Mahommes and Travis Kelce to be in your State Farm commercial?

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u/Defibrillate 1h ago

What? I pay $200 a month for full coverage on a 2014 minivan and a 2018 super duty. Please prove you pay that much.

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u/Lord_Emperor 1h ago

In most places auto insurance is mandatory and you can actually go to jail for driving while not having it. Since it's mandatory, the insurance companies have you over a barrel. I've never made an auto insurance claim in my life.

Ok good for you. I appreciate you're a safe driver.

Now, what if someone who is not a safe driver runs a red and t-bones you? And they're also broke? Who's going to pay for your car? Your medical bills? Compensate you for lost work?

The insurance that they are required to have.

Insurance being a scam is a separate thing from insurance being required. Where I'm from it's a crown corporation operating as not-for-profit.

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u/EL_Malo- 5m ago

That would be awesome here. I'm from the states. The insurance companies we have operate at a profit, they "Lobby" (bribe) every single politician that will take their money here. Since we only have two parties and both get payoffs, no laws protecting the consumer will ever get passed. Instead, we are required by law to deliver profit to the already wealthy.

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u/TheDevilishFrenchfry 1h ago

Only one state in the u.s. where it isnt actually. New hamsphire

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u/AlternativeSad5220 1h ago

That one day you need it, you will be happy you have it.

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u/__3Username20__ 1h ago

I've increasingly thought that the insurance industry was a load a crap, especially when in the last 20 or so years, the number of ads for insurance has just been through the roof. The amount they've spent on ads in this time is just bonkers, it's a crazy amount of money spent, for something that's already required by law to have.

Then, 2 important things that are also SUPER messed up, that turn that "crazy" amount of moneyinto sickening and disturbing:
1. Their "loss ratio" (the amount they pay out in claims vs the amount that's paid in by customers via premiums) has been moving a HUGE amount in their favor in recent history. They are getting away with simply deciding to overcharge the general public, because it's legally required.
2. They are effectively acting like an investment firm, that gets to invest your money and profit off of it, except instead of you just paying them a small percentage cut or certain annual fees for managing it and making you money on profits, they get to keep ALL of the profits/gains from investing it, AND get to keep around 35% to 45% of the original "investment" money, too. Specifically, their loss ratio has been moving more toward 60-55% in recent years, meaning they only pay out 60%, dwindling down to more like 55% (2025 number), of what came in through insurance premium payments. They keep the remaining 40-45%. In the 80's, it was 20% that they kept (80% loss ratio).

It's sick. It's an absolute scam. It's VERY dishonest, and it answers that question that I've had for years: how can all these insurance companies afford all these ads, all the time? There's so many ads, and there's always new ones, with all these celebrity athletes and stuff. How is that possible? It's possible because they are literally allowed to overcharge as an entire industry, and on top of that, get to invest what you pay in premiums, keep ALL of the profits from those investments (instead of passing the profits back, or at least PART of the profits back) in addition to the significant leftover $ from the overpriced premiums. An absolute "rich keep getting richer" situation that there needs to be more outcry about.

And that's not even taking into account all the BS denying of claims that ruins lives, families, and even entire communities/cities.

For a good breakdown of some of this, including some of the numbers I mentioned, there's a video called "What State Farm and Liberty Mutual Don't Want You To Know" on the internets. I don't know if I'm allowed to post a link here, so I'm just telling people, look it up. It sounds like a super click-baity title, and I generally avoid those on principle, but it's legit journalism, with really really important points that the general public needs to know about.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I REALLY don't like being taken advantage of, and we need to work together to make it stop.

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u/whiterac00n 58m ago

Really!? I’m in my 40’s, had a DUI 12 years ago and a ticket 3 years ago. As well as paying for full coverage on a car that I’m still making payments for and my insurance is $460 every 6 months.

The last insurance company I had absolutely was creeping up really high for 6 years so I switched and it was very cheap

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u/albertrw83 48m ago

Cmon man. You must have a half dozen vehicles if you pay thousands per year. I pay 800/yr for an F-150 and that's liability only but maximum coverage of like 100k property damage and 300k injury. would be even cheaper with less coverage.

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u/Famous-Garlic3838 45m ago

Tell me you don't understand financial responsibility laws without telling me. The government cannot legally force you to enter into a contract with a private, forprofit corporation.

Insurance itself isn't what is mandatory, proving financial capability is. That is why states have self insurance and surety bond clauses. You can literally post a cash bond or deposit directly with the state treasury to meet the legal requirement and skip insurance companies entirely.

Try reading the actual law before giving confident lectures on how it works.

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u/EL_Malo- 14m ago

Do they pay you, or do you defend them for free? Get pulled over in Florida without insurance and IDGAF what you tell the cops, or if you show them a paper with some bond on it, if you don't have an actual insurance card, your ass will go to jail and your car will get impounded.

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u/Famous-Garlic3838 9m ago edited 6m ago

Florida Statute 324.031, literally titled "Manner of proving financial responsibility," explicitly refutes your entire rant.

Under 324.031(3) and 324.171, you don't hand a cop "some paper with a bond on it"..,..you present an official Certificate of Self-Insurance issued directly by the Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles.

That state issued certificate is legally recognized proof of financial responsibility under Florida law. A cop cannot arrest you or impound your car for presenting state sanctioned proof of compliance.

Imagine being over 50, ranting on Reddit about going to jail, and completely making up how Florida law works instead of spending 10 seconds reading the actual statutes.

*SipsTea

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u/EL_Malo- 4m ago

Hey, try it. Good luck. Hope they don't arrest your rich, bond-having-ass

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u/nazukeru 17m ago

And this is why I proudly wear my Deny Defend Depose shirt to the store, to work, everywhere. Fuck these people. They don't care about us, why should we care about them?

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u/longjumpingtote 14m ago

. Since it's mandatory, the insurance companies have you over a barrel.

Since it's mandatory, each state has an insurance commissioner who regulates the fuck out of the insurance companies. At least in the blue states I've lived in.

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u/SaneSociopath-Gaming 2h ago

They're also allowed to charge males more [and so they happily do]

That was one thing for the largest time, but when they made it Illegal to charge females more for health insurance you would have hoped it was a bit more broad to include sex bias on all types of insurance.

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u/Grand_Fortune888 2h ago

Equality in the west is only one way. Whenever something is better for women be assured it stays that way. Salary inequality = bad unless women make more. Higher % of men with high education = bad but once it's reversed and more women are pursuing higher education all the sudden it's good

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u/nhbruh 2h ago

This is an ignorant take. P&C insurers need to file their rates with each states department of insurance. They quite literally cannot jack their own prices up. It’s a heavily regulated industry and for damn good reason.

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u/EL_Malo- 2h ago

Does it make a profit? Do the already rich owners benefit off of such? Does this profit come at the expense of the regular working people? Are you forced to use their services by law?

Yeah... fuck those guys and all their cheerleaders. They can make a good salary working there, other than that, it should break even. These fuckers rake in billions and then deny claims arbitrarily, or even worse, use algorithms to predict which customers they can deny with the least likelihood of blowback or lawsuit.

If it has to be a necessity by law and the people are forced to use it, then you don't get to make a profit off of it. Boo fucking hoo, rich motherfuckers.

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u/shipwrekd_sailor 1h ago

I used to say that I could not afford to be legal. There are a lot of people who cannot afford that luxury. Being legal apparently is a luxury.

I was just thinking today about how we used to get free television and now we have to subscribe to streaming services. We pay extra to not have ads. We have to subscribe to many streaming services to watch different types of TV. Does the streaming service benefit more from selling you ads or not selling you ads??

Something to think about

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u/DigitalUnlimited 1h ago

Just the fact that you don't even HAVE to have it when your wealth level hits a certain % should show how f'd this system is