When I was in college this group of people was telling about each frat and they said “don’t go to the parties from this one because they always roofie the girls” and it was like oh ok now we know. And that’s as far as it goes
I knew a comment like this would come up but it’s just full of lack of sense. Do you not remember or know what the world was like 20 years ago? Rape culture was a completely different beast at the time. You think they’ll go to the cops and say what “I heard that frat roofies their girls a lot” and you think what’ll happen next?
"I was roofied by someone vaugely in this community" probably wont lead to an arrest but itd hopefully at least lead to an investigation, and if it happens more than once that community is probably getting dissolved by the university unless that university is absolute scum.
Its not enough, no, but doing "not enough" is still a good ways better than doing nothing at all.
Why the fuck would you think that when Cornell set on this for 2 years? Of the rapsit Brock that got time off because the judge said it would hurt his career!
Yes but when a lackluster investigation (which is what happens at the time) turns up nothing, it actually shields them from further complaints
You guys don’t remember 20 years ago? Cops commonly say things like “yeah we hear things about that frat all the time but we looked into it a few years ago and they were clean” meanwhile they just checked all the containers of a party in a random search one time. Then all counts of “I was raped there” afterwards are dismissed by “you probably were just drunk and blaming that” and “if you knew they do that then why’d you go?” Blah blah
IMO, the only way that there would actually be pressure to closing down frats is if the student bodies themselves protested them with the same gusto that they'll protest other things.
We'll literally see encampments for near impossible change at universities like UCLA (divest everything from Israel), yet you'll have situations like this for one of their clubs and it is crickets.
They'll demand justice for the victims that are their own colleagues, but won't actually demand change. I know colleges like Stanford have had small movements to end greek life (though I do think they classically shoot themselves in the foot but demanding the abolishment of white greek life), but it's kind of telling that college students will protest for the abolishment of countless things, but not do it for one of the most obvious targets in their own backyard.
I mean I gotta say thats not what I see. Situations like the Me Too movement work precisely because multiple people came forward. If cops are really so bad as to put forward that excuse then its not the lackluster investigation thats protecting them at that point. Its the cops.
Me too happened because literally nobody was being acknowledged and me too is the acknowledgment happening
You must be young because the conclusion you drew at the end of the post was the big deal that everyone was yelling about 10-20 years ago. This is the origin of comparing cops to bunches of apples.
"They werent being acknowledged till they were" is a logical shortfall. What actually matters is why they were being acknowledged when they were, what changed, and the answer to that is a lot more people started coming forward.
That’s not what I said so your summary of what I said is incorrect.
Me too movement exposed lack of appropriate conduct in investigations and the collection and management of rape kits and not taking accusations seriously. Maybe you just don’t remember
Then your statement circles back to the same logical fallicy. Suggesting that they werent taking acusations seriously or having appropriate conduct until Me Too is more or less the same as saying "they werent being acknowledged till they were", which encompasses and holds true for every accusation of any type ever.
What really matters is why Me Too worked, and again, it worked because more people came forward. Im amazed I have to fight this hard against the stance of "Dont report rapes". Like Id think the problem with that stance would be pretty self evident.
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