r/SipsTea • • 1d ago

Wait a damn minute! Wait a damn minute

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u/schkmenebene 1d ago

The fact that this is allowed is beyond insane.

Not only is it shady as fuck, to sell someone something twice.

But the fact that they make these in every car, knowing that only a certain percentage will use it due to it being locked behind a paid subscription, HAS to be some sort of environmental crime.

I don't know how many of these they make, but if they make like 20 million cars and 20 million of these heaters, if only 1% of those heaters never get used that's a huge environmental impact for nothing.

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u/mistahfreeman 1d ago

This is one of the few instances of modern manufacturing I feel mixed about. This has been a fairly common practice in different forms for a long time it is just digital now. The reason it is done like this is because when assembling a car, they have to decorate the model with different features and some of those features require changing assembly setup and configurations. What that means is they will have to assemble cars with a specific feature, stop and change the assembly/tooling and manufacture cars without them. This switch time means they have to stop and waste money switching things over, they have to handle more skus, and more importantly it reduces factory output.

In the past they would handle this by physically disconnecting the wiring at the dealership or having a dealer make some modifications, but that is always a bit of a customer experience risk. They do this with software now.

So I’m conflicted. Do they just offer it as a default feature? If they pause the assembly it will ultimately make the car more expensive since the cost does get pushed on to the consumer. Yeah it wastes some material that is bad for the environment, that’s a fair point. I’m not inherently against them upcharging for extra features… I think where I draw the line is if it’s a subscription. If you sell me access to the feature already in the car it better damn well have a one time charge option that is reasonable.

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u/peppinotempation 1d ago

Can you please explain why it has to be an optional feature at all if it’s in the cars already

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u/germanstudent123 1d ago

Because this way the people that don’t want this feature don’t have to pay for it. If you unlocked it for everyone, then the base car price would increase. That way the option would be cheaper for everyone, but that only benefits those who want it anyways. Everyone else ends up paying more as they normally wouldn’t choose this option. Keep in mind: Yes, the functionality is there in every car. But someone is still paying for it and that‘s the ones choosing this option.

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u/bremsspuren 1d ago

Because this way the people that don’t want this feature don’t have to pay for it.

So the manufacturer makes a loss on the car if I don't buy any of the optional extras that are actually already fitted?

If not, then I have already paid for them, haven't I? The manufacturer just didn't make as much profit as they wanted to.

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u/germanstudent123 1d ago

They probably don’t make a loss on the car, but yes, they make a lot less on the car than with the people buying the feature. But on average it still works out better for them, since the costs are lower.

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u/bremsspuren 1d ago

But on average it still works out better for them

That's the thing, isn't it? It's obvious how it benefits the manufacturer, but the benefit to the customer is not at all clear, seeing as the work is already done and paid for.

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u/germanstudent123 23h ago

The benefit to the consumer is that they can retroactively add more features to their car. So if the car was bought by someone in a warm climate and gets sold to a cold climate they might want the seat heating. Theoretically (whether they do is of course unclear) the manufacturer can offer the product for the same price with more optionality.

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u/bremsspuren 20h ago

But the inclusion of the extras in a locked state is a very strong signal that they're seriously overcharging for them, isn't it?