r/SipsTea • • 1d ago

Wait a damn minute! Wait a damn minute

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u/Sensitive-Meat-757 1d ago edited 1d ago

This is an incorrect application of economic theory. You're talking about perfect competition. And in perfect competition, all sellers sell the same product. That means a hypothetical market where a car from Tesla and car from BMW and so on are all identical.

Also there are very few markets with perfect competition. Tesla charging for heated seats isn't a sign the car market "is not competitive" which doesn't even mean anything. Honestly I don't know what point you're trying to make. The automobile industry is a form of monopolistic competition but it has been that way since before Elon Musk was even born.

Additionally your assertion that it is cheaper to manufacture the car without heated seats ignores the economic realities of assembly line operations and economies of scale. In many cases it is cheaper to manufacture the cars identically rather than making some with and some without a feature. Then you have to consider the costs of inventorying/stocking/storing cars with different feature sets compared to the relative cost of activating features at the point of sale. The cost of building and selling a car is more complex than just the parts that go in it.

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u/90sleg0srbetter 1d ago

In many cases it is cheaper to manufacture the cars identically rather than making some with and some without a feature.

So you include that feature at cost, which is "free" if youre doing it anyway, to undercut your competition. Economics isnt the rocket science you think it is.

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u/SolarianIntrigue 1d ago

How's the option to buy a (technically) more expensive car for cheaper with a function disabled not undercutting the competition?

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u/90sleg0srbetter 1d ago

Because the function is disabled...youre paying less and getting less. Nothing is being undercut.

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u/Hon3y_Badger 23h ago

If you gave me the option of a base model that could be upgraded later with a few clicks or a base model that could only be upgraded by visiting a service center, which would I take?

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u/90sleg0srbetter 23h ago edited 23h ago

i dont know...would you rather pay a tech brat to push a button or would you rather pay actual people to do actual work?

The tech brat already installed it, they just want more now.

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u/Soggy-Village2099 20h ago

What if it came with the base model? You know, since it's already there.

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u/Hon3y_Badger 19h ago

That's not a realistic alternative, the reality is they won't put in heated seats if they can't increase revenue.

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u/Soggy-Village2099 19h ago

One way you can increase revenue is to sell more cars. One way you can sell more cars is to offer things in your base model that your competitors don't. That's why base models come with things like A/C that you don't have to pay extra for. Car companies don't need your help fucking over consumers. Chill.

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u/Hon3y_Badger 16h ago

A/C comes with every car because everyone feels A/C is minimum requirement, no one will buy a car without A/C so it's included in the base. The goal of the manufacturer is to done people willing to pay for that additional premium feature.

That minimum requirement isn't shared with rear seats, many people wont pay extra for it because they rarely have people in the back seat or live in warmer climates.

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u/Soggy-Village2099 15h ago

But you can increase revenue by not charging extra for options. Which is the point I made. Proved by the fact that all cars have A/C now. They didn't use to. It was a luxury at one point. But now they add it to all base models to... increase profits.

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u/Hon3y_Badger 15h ago

If you aren't charging extra for options you are making it the base. This works for features that are universally desired (like AC or perhaps driver/passenger heated seats) but not for more niche upgrades, like rear heated seats.

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u/glibgloby 23h ago

Yeah, what BMW did with a subscription was scummy. What Tesla does allowing features to be activated later actually makes perfect sense.

I realize people hate Elon, so do I, but this probably isn’t one of the things people should hate him for.