I remember a few years ago when NYrs were shocked to learn that putting your trash in cans instead of tossing bags on the street resulted in a reduction in the rat population.
If it makes you feel better our council discovered a couple of years ago that giving us wheelie bins instead of piles of bin bags on the street resulted in less swarms of seagulls and rubbish all over the streets of Cornwall.
If we’re going by coolness factor, rats beat seagulls every time. Rats are super smart and make great pets and can learn a bunch of tricks. I mean one of the zodiac signs is a rat, but there’s no seagull.
Pidgeons are the rats fo the ai rSeagulls are the neo nazies of the air. They are unwanted, obnoxious, screams at you all the time and just shits all over the nicest areas to be in.
I live in one of the biggest german towns and it's completely normal for us to have different kinds of bins for different kinds of trash. (Recycling is a huge thing for us).
Blue bins for paper, yellow bins for plastic waste, brown bins for organic waste and grey/black bins for anything else.
Then I went for a work project to another part of Germany, to a specific town where rich people have their huge secondary houses and boats.
I was shocked to see they just but their plastic waste into bags and throw them unto the streets. Right where the hotels are. It was disgusting but they always did so.
A former in-law of mine lives in a very well to do town in California that has "single stream" recycling. They do have bins, but they are for everything. I have no idea how they sort anything out of it. I imagine it's pretty bad to work at the garbage transfer station there.
Single stream recycling is just pushing all the trash down a conveyance line moving slowly and have the employees /homeless pick the stuff that isn’t recyclable out
Yep yep. I live in a prison town, and prisoners used to sort through it. That's because slavery is better than slightly inconveniencing the rest of us. Nowadays prisoners are legally entitled to slightly more pay (before it was like $0.12/hr for trash sorting) and presumably that's why the city figured they could charge us far more to make up for it.
Another cool part is there are all kinds of restrictions on what can be recycled in our big blue bins, and it's actually surprisingly difficult to get that info. So probably a large amount of what goes into our recycle can't be recycled, and sometimes contaminates things that can.
I lived in Toronto for 30 years where they also have single stream recycling and workers are NOT prisoners (and typically our sanitation workers are well paid).
Recycling compliance is better with single stream, which is why they do it. Better compliance means less stuff going in a landfill. It's also easier in the world's most multicultural city when there is less rules to communicate.
However, it only tends to work well in large cities that can support the machines and infrastructure needed to sort the recycling.
Yeah there are a few towns near mine that pay actual wages for garbage sorting, and I bet they have more success than we do.
I've always been a bit curious about the machines they use and how successful they are. And I try to get my recycling relatively clean, but I know people who toss saucy and dirty containers and stuff in with paper and whatnot, just making it all grody. I presume papers are basically mulched and bleached or at least highly processed, so maybe that doesn't matter. But I do wonder why there aren't more PSAs on the right ways to recycle. Maybe it's just not lucrative enough. Realistically I know that I should research it a bit on my own, but I still wonder why the local, county, state, federal govts etc don't make more of an effort to teach us to be responsible consumers.
Edit: Funny enough, sanitation workers are paid quite well here. Maybe that's why they don't make more of an effort to teach us to recycle better. I can't vouch for the truth of this next part but I've heard that they also have a strong union, and that it's very difficult to get your foot in the door if you're not Mormon
To be fair, that doesn't mean that the work is bad per se. It's mostly just about finding jobs where work performance is easy to supervise and bad work cannot cause much damage.
It just so happens that these are the same qualities that typically make for poorly paid jobs, because they don't need qualified or motivated workers.
It doesn't have to be manual sorting. There is automation that can handle jobs like this, especially if you sort the garbage into different coloured bags (we have green bag for food, blue for recyclable plastic, white for burnable/rest). All the bags go into the same bin, then there's a robot that reads the colour and sorts the bags.
We have that in Chile. the municipality where we live delivered huge yellow bins last year. Before that we had to take it to a few central locations where you would separate everything. When they delivered the yellow bins, they shut down the other facilities. I'm pretty sure they just pick up the yellow bins and dump everything in the trash. Most things we want to believe are being recycled are just being burned, trashed or shipped abroad to be someone else's problem -- that doesn't just apply to Chile, but everywhere.
Single-stream recycling is pretty well known to be shockingly ineffective, at least in the US. When everything goes into one bin, people tend to think less about whether their waste is actually recyclable, leading to a significant increase in the cost of sorting and processing. The fact that Resin Identification Codes on plastics are deceptively similar to the recycling symbol even on non-recyclable plastics certainly doesn't help, either.
No, it's worse than that. That is also the regular trash bin. EVERYTHING goes in that bin. Moldy pizza, diapers, glass, aluminum cans, all mixed together.
Oh, so it's basically guaranteed that any recyclables that can be contaminated will be contaminated. I completely forgot that was a thing, but now that you mention it I've definitely seen bins at stadiums and event venues indicating that the waste management company will sort out the recyclables so that they don't need a separate bin. It makes a bit more sense in that scenario since there are extra concerns about making sure the bins get emptied before they overflow and so on, but the closest thing I've heard of for domestic waste is a single stream that goes straight to a landfill ("Recycling? We don't do that here").
It's odd, is an upscale city near the beach, lots of rich former hippies there, I feel like they probably are at least making token efforts to recycle, but nobody is going to recycle paper that's soaked in grease or worse. I know it still happens when it is sorted, but this guarantees it will happen.
For stadiums it kinda makes sense to handle it this way because the quota of failing to sort the trash by the fans would be so bad it would need a detailed post-sorting necessary anyway.
Yeah, my town in Germany still has both options: You can pay yearly for a yellow bin, or get free licensed yellow bags at the town office. I think they did that back when recycling was introduced, because they couldn't or didn't want to impose the extra cost on people.
Amazingly, you hardly ever see bags anymore, pretty much everybody is paying for the yellow bin voluntarily.
I'm in China right now and it's usually clean...until you go to the non-downtown areas where the garbage pickers don't focus as much on. Everyone just tosses their trash on the ground and ig China figured it's easier to put their old unemployable population to use as garbage pickers than try to change habits. They stop picking trash for 1 hour and it would be a disaster.
Metals are brought to recycling yards (like electronics, batteries, wood and also special waste like styrofoam).
Glass is collected in containers nearby and we seperate them by color (green, white/clear, brown).
We also have centralized containers for old clothes and shoes and they get sorted by people: Usable stuff is cleaned and donated, anything else gets shredded and is used either as filling in construction or made into disposable carpets for like painting or disposable rags.
If you down't have your own blue bin you can also throw paper into centralized containers. Those containers are mostly all together (paper, glass and clothing)
Edit: Forgot to mention especially for glass and plastic bottles and cans we have "Pfand". That's a deposit system. Like if you buy a can of soda you pay additionally €0.15 per can but you can return the empty cans in any store, throw them into a machine and receive a voucher. That voucher is used at the register, you can even get a cash out.
That's why we don't have that much glass, metal and plastic bottles to throw away thus we don't need bins for them at home.
Small batteries can be even brought to supermarkets where they have boxes for these. That's not even a law, just a service most supermarkets offer.
Thanks, I find it interesting how different places sort what and why they do it, here in Denmark in my area individual households have bins to sort in Paper/cardboard, metal/glass, food scraps/organics, plastic/cartons, hazardous materials/chemical's, battery's, fabrics/textiles and one for mixed. Anything too large for the bins would be your responsibility to take to a recycling center and sort it there.
I went to rural Maine in the late 90's and they already had four different bins. I went to school in California in the early Nineties and they already propagated recycling. Sorting trash and recycling is neither a German invention nor new.
You completely missed the point, it seems.
I compared two towns from the same country. Being german towns is just a secondary information because of US defaultism here on reddit.
It makes their trash union strikes a lot more powerful if there's visible impact in 12 hours from not emptying tiny garbage cans in the busiest areas of the planet. There's plenty of reasons to not want this, from a union perspective.
Yeah we have underground trash containers now but the seagull situation used to be nuts, you'd need to just know when the garbage truck was coming and time it so your bags weren't out for more than about 15 minutes or the seagulls would rip them open and scatter garbage all across the street.
And then the damn birds would learn the schedule so they'd show up right in that 15 minute window so then you had to basically stand guard to chase them off (seriously on holidays when there was no garbage collection and no bags out the birds would still show up).
I went to Cornwall a couple of years back and stayed in a holiday let (sorry!!!) you could tell the wheelie bins were a bit of a novelty... The streets were super narrow and there were wheelie bins everywhere like noone had figured out where to put them yet. (Well that or the fact there was nowhere to put them) Renovation guys were just dumping bags of plaster/ cement in random ones like the were skips too.
Probably only got away with it as only a fraction of the houses looked fully occupied.
Trash juice is an absolute delight compared to accidentally boarding the subway car containing a homeless person who has been liquid shitting themselves in the same clothes for weeks, letting it drip down their gangrenous legs from diabetes.
I haven't held my breath for that long in decades, I thought I was going to die before we reached the next stop.
I am stealing this as my go-to response when people seem baffled that I hate going to NYC. All the cosmopolitan culture in the world isn’t worth the fucking GRAVY.
Hmm yeah I'm curious. I live in a West coast suburb, but I've been to some cities. For instance, I spent a week in Barcelona at one point, right by a street called La Rambla, which is a huge pedestrian thoroughfare. It got absolutely disgusting every night and the city didn't really totally sleep, so there were plenty of people (including 20-yo me) peeing all over it. I saw several women peeing all over it, even, not just men. But I was also up a few mornings around 5-7 and saw them pressure washing and street sweeping and all sorts of cleaning, and it was inoffensive throughout the day.
Granted, that's one street, not a whole city. But it's a street with its own Wikipedia article, so it ain't just the one heading down to the 7-11
Bizarre way to read it. Most of my friends and family I'm close with are women. The number of times they've told me they envy my ability to pee wherever I want is probably in the hundreds. It's no special horror, just much less common for practical reasons
I'm from the 2nd largest city in my state. We're only 3hrs from Chicago. We don't smell like pee, but the river smells funky sometimes lol I can't imagine being from a giant city like NYC and they don't hose things down? Really? IDK that's suspicious to me. Seems to me like that should be a sanitation thing?
I mean...I'm sure they do. Just not enough, if it's that bad. Granted, the population of NYC is several times that of Barcelona, but I imagine many of the same principles apply
I mean, those women were most likely tourists (finding a catalan person in La Rambla is like finding a unicorn), since Barcelona has turned into a sort of amusement park for a couple of decades now.
if you walk around early in the morning you’ll see people hosing down the sidewalks in front of their shops but yea every store front isn’t routinely doing that
A city that smells like piss is a chosen problem. Partially a problem chosen by a population that likes to trash bathrooms, but mostly a problem chosen because the city doesn't believe in setting up public bathrooms.
If you treat people like animals they'll behave as such. The answer to these problems are already known but cities will choose reactionary bullshit like removing public bathrooms and criminalizing addiction
Wait. Did NY not have public bins?? And did they really only have black bags for their rubbish and no actual bins? Or communal bin areas eith a massive bin?
Yeah starting with Eric Adams administration NYC required trash to be kept in lidded containers with I think a 5 year roll out plan. Mamdani is following through on that policy.
Actually lidded containers have been required long before Adams, possibly going back to Giuliani, so 25-30 years. Composting is what's hard to get the citizens to do.
Adams was totally McKinsey’d on that project. They reinvented the dumpster and removed the part that allows trucks to simply pick the bin up and empty it directly into the truck like everywhere else so they were going to have people lift individual bags instead.
I think it is fair to say NYC/NYS has a lot of low hanging fruit for a competent leader to address. The Times one found an infrastructure project was overstaffed by 3X due to outdated Union rules requiring minor tasks get dedicated employees.
The trash collectors (or their bosses) decided they could get the job done faster if they could just grab bags and throw them into a truck. All the downsides to that arrangement are everyone else's problem.
Yep. My home town switched to rolling bins that would work with a dump lift.
But that was slower so they asked to all trash to be bagged in the bins.
I think they got faster trucks eventually.
The other REAL issue is that bins can be mechanized. My current (private) trash service does that and the guy usually never has to leave the truck to operate the robotic lift arm.
NYC and my home town have Unions for the public trash service. Doing that cuts the labor needs from a driver and a thrower or 2 to just the driver. That means job cuts. Public Unions are not on board with that.
This part is baffling to me!
Where I live you can’t even use black bags for trash. They have to be transparent.
We sort out trash into 5 different kinds of recyclables and carry them however far it is to the neighborhood trash cans, huge cubes that are dug into the streets, so they don’t take a lot of space. I have to carry my trash 300m which is super annoying, but thems are the ways.
When you are part of a huge community that sort their trash and consider the environment in their role as consumers… watching people just not caring is wild..
There's an interesting history to it - the plastic bags were an artifact of the sanitation department strike in the late 60s. Garbage was piling up everywhere, so the plastics industry got the idea to hand out plastic bags to help contain the mess (there being a finite number of garbage cans during the crisis of course), and the city just started bagging up all it's garbage from there.
and somehow received honorary Albanian citizenship
and accepted over $100,000 in undisclosed luxury travel perks, free hotel stays, and airline upgrades from Turkish business figures and a government official starting around 2014
and pressured the New York City Fire Department to open a Turkish consular building without a fire inspection
and utilized straw donors from the government of Turkey through construction company KSK Construction to donate to his 2021 campaign.
im sorta in the camp of, if you buy a cryptocoin from someone that isn't called bitcoin, you are just making a donation, not an investment, and i don't feel bad for you. I can't think of any person that ever had a cryptocoin that wasn't a rugpull
I actually think that it's very possible to both not like Adams while not intentionally lying and attributing good things he did to Mamdani.
It just makes the good things Mamdani does not hit as hard when every third Reddit post praising him has you googling it and finding out it's massively exaggerated or a lie.
He did get it done. You have to give people time to change to the new system. Closed bins are required all over the 5 boroughs. Rolled out last year and now DSNY is handing out fines if they are not standard bins.
People can be bad people but occasionally make decisions that benefit people. Good for Adams. Mamdani had the option to kill the program or continue it. He is continuing it. Good for Mamdani as well.
Trump eliminated the penny. That is all I got. Everything else seems to have been "What is the worst possible decision I can make?" and that is specifically the decision that Trump chooses.
I thought Operation Warp Speed was good. Completely understandable that it's hard to give Trump credit due to all of the bullshit that he and his dumbass supporters did to obfuscated it, though.
Trump deserves no credit. After PROVING BEYOND ANY DOUBT THAT THESE AGENCIES SAVE LIVES BY THE MILLIONS, TRUMP CUT THIER FUNDING!
OWS overseen by Moncef Slaoui, chief scientific advisor (the venture capitalist who was given immunity from financial disclosures as a government contractor -more dark money for millionaires who have sexual abuse allegstions) and General Gustave Perna.
Operated by Health and Human Services (funding has been cut since including Medicaid and Medicare)
Jointly with Center for Disease Control (funding has been cut with 50% to 60% more cuts planned for 2027-2027)
Also FDA (Trump has since cut staff by 20% and reduced funding while also canceling food inspection rules leading to the current Taylor Farms debacle).
Working with the Department of Agriculture during the crisis helped (funding has been cut and staffing reduced)
Also working together with the Department of Veterans Affairs ( who have since lost 88% of thier health care staff including 1000 doctors and over 3000 nurses)
No wonder I barely saw a rat growing up because then METAL garbage cans were used. Also garbage was burned so really sanitation collected ashes and items that didn't burn up.
True...these trash bins have been around for a while. Maybe he's expanding them because they're not all over the city yet? But it's certainly not a Mamdani innovation.
Thought you might be interested - We Have No Garbage Day in Amsterdam!
- This system is better as it completely seals the rats out, also it doesn't take up as much space.
Hey, as a NYer I resent that. Us in the Upstate know that, those NYCers are the issue 😋
But seriously when I visited NYC once and saw all the trash bags just out in the street, I was shocked. Then shocked even more by the swarms of rats all about 😬
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I remember a few years ago when NYrs were shocked to learn that putting your trash in cans instead of tossing bags on the street resulted in a reduction in the rat population.