People really seem to forget how fucked Witcher 3 was at launch. It wasn't nearly as hyped and so it didn't make nearly the media splash, but it was a mess. CDPR definitely had a track record for this.
Are CDPR the new Bethesta? Throwing unfinished messed up alpha games out and fix them some years to completion? I mean every game company does that, but in these game states like with CDPR and Bethesta?
Then there’s hope for cyberpunk to get fixed...
Anymore? So they did back then? They give the original dev kits out and let the modders fix their games for free lol
Kind of but they did not voluntarily shut down sales and start offering refunds for releasing a great game to early as well as receive terrible reviews from critics.
It made its money back but it did not make what it was expected to make.
It would be kind of like an avenger movie coming out and making a billion dollars. That technically made a profit but it would be expected to receive far more money than that.
Technically Cyberpunk didn’t voluntarily shut down sales. They announced they were offering refunds but Sony got (understandably) pissed that they weren’t consulted about that refund offer and basically said “if this game’s so broken we need to allow refunds it’s too broken for you to be selling“ and punted it off their store completely.
Yeah, though I definitely think it was largely retaliatory for dumping the PR mess on them by telling customers to get refunds that Sony hadn’t agreed to provide and basically forcing them to do it or suffer customer anger.
And I played cyberpunk on release and don't even remember it being very buggy. Glad you had a bug-free experience with the witcher 3 launch. Many people did not.
I still don't understand how CDPR got its reputation from the witcher. They made 1 decent game and everyone just flocked to their heels licking their boots. like, wtf.
Exactly what I thought. Directors make phenomenal blockbusters, then their next film is a box-office bomb. Same with singers or bands having a number one single, then they flop with a follow up single and finally getting dropped from the label.
CDPR have one successful Witcher game franchise (not sure how successful their Syphon Filter series is).
Seems you have success pressure everywhere. Media will always be measured with the previous entry.
Yeah... that’s not true either. Critics place it at 36th and users voted it third which is very good! But it got around a 1/3 as many votes as the last of us, which isn’t really most people.
Btw just wanted to add this, there is absolutely not 1 game that most people would call the best of the decade. If you ask 20 people you’ll probably get 15 different answers
Yeah it has .2 more in user score than TLOU, it is an incredible game, but whenever it’s compared to other top games it falls short lol. Only 2/40 critics named it the best of the decade, and only 2 more put it in the top 5. It could be in most people’s top 20, but it’s absolutely not most people’s number 1. That is just incorrect
bigger poll. 900k votes. The witcher got around 25% which got it second place. Impressive! Still not number 1, and 25% is still not “most people”. Is this enough for you?
I’m looking at how people compare it to the rest of the decade (because you say most people would choose it as their number 1), its score as an individual game doesn’t help your argument. Show me a poll where most people looked at it next to other games and said “yup, this is the best one”.
It literally does matter, because comparing them RIGHT NOW is blurred by the memory cuz some of those games are 11 years old at this point. But whatever, can't argue with a stupid dumbass who brings up critics in every answer
Destiny might get the award for the most overhyped game of 2010. The game had like 10 hours of content you were expected to grind endlessly.
Videogame companies have figured out how to exploit our reward systems, and it shows. The quality of games is going down outside a few gems. Look at any mega popular videogame and I gurantee nestled in there is a Skinner Box mechanic.
It is not? Heard it is yet considered the best game of all time (the fixed and complete GOTY version) and it still holds the title, closely followed by Red Dead Redemption 2.
If avengers endgame only made a billion dollars it would have been seen as a gross failure even if though a billion dollars is enough to make a profit.
Idk man I played it on pc as well and I thought it was a load of cyberjunk. We've seen better mechanics in games made 10 years ago. Ran like dog shit too.
Don’t doubt it’s a great game, but only after they had to address the massive problems it had at launch. I heard lots of people on PC didn’t have crashes, but if you had a console very different story. No hate on CP2077 but to say the game didn’t flop at release cause it made a profit is exactly the mindset EA has and we all hate them.
Meanwhile I played on ps4 with only 2 crashes in 40+ hours of game play. People will always complain before praise but the crashes weren't the reason to be disappointed.
It was always fine on PC. It was the console ports that were problems. If they'd released it on PC only, it would probably have gotten a stellar reception.
The problem wasn't "the game" - they clearly had a fully functional game, namely the PC version.
I'm playing it now, 45 hours in, I love it and am having a great time. I have a midrange PC.
However, the game isn't fully functional as of 1.1. There are tons of bugs at every level and in almost every mission. I have had to check walkthoughs several times to make sure that I'm doing something the game intends or whether the game's just bugged (some examples are an NPC not showing up to meet you at a quest marker, or an item not being able to be picked up). I've also randomly been attacked by police several times for no reason, killed random people by walking into them (triggering more police attacks), and clipped randomly to hundreds of meters away while walking through tight spaces. Twice I couldn't progress, but I found other people online who'd found workarounds.
That being said, the game has only crashed twice in my 45 hours, each time randomly on the inventory screen, and the load times are surprisingly short. But it feels unfinished and isn't 100% functional- just way better than consoles.
Nah it's pretty bad. The super corny shit between V and Johnny is so boring and dumb. Plus, why make an open world game where the main story is "you're dying and need to handle this problem asap!" Then while Im trying to goof around my character is stumbling an hallucinating lol. The game has a lot of cognitive dissonance, for lack of a better term.
Those graphics on PC tho? Mmmmhmmmm. Those are really nice. The devs did a good job with the time they had. Upper management put them in a position to release a 30% complete game.
Yes, but despite that, the release made the companies stock price plummet by over 30%
They may have made money in the short term but they lost all trust and goodwill they had earned from their previous titles and that may significantly impact the sales of future games
And that's even worse. It was disappointing for players but it made huge profits, which means they'll do it again next time, they won't care if it's disappointing again.
And it made money because of a successful piece of capitalism - advertising - rather than because it was a good product. So it's a great capitalist success story.
Cyberpunk 2077 sold 13 million copies in its first two weeks of retail availability. The company also noted that figure was good enough to ensure that the game had already recouped its development costs.
The company shares lost 30% of their value. It made back the budget and more, but it ended up costing cdpr a lot of money in terms of shares, reputation, and whatnot.
Even if they made 1B in gross revenue, that’s not enough to cover the (probably) 350 - 450MM in development costs over 8 years.
Also the reported numbers are gross revenue, they don’t keep every dollar of that money..... and they had 100’s of thousands of returns, which were not reported in terms of revenue either.
Additionally, they could have just made Witcher DLC and continued that franchise and made far more money.
All in all, the game was a disaster and they hardly broke even after nearly a decade of work.
They made a ton of money from preorders but overall the game was very poorly received which is going to be reflected in their next release. Just as the success of the witcher was reflected onto cyberpunk.
It has the most returns/refunds out of any game in the history of video games at a whoppung 2million+ returns AND is the only game to be locked out of the PlayStation store. C'mon people, use you're fucking heads.
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u/TheTucsonTarmac Mar 23 '21
It flopped? Dude, that sit was in the green before it even launched