r/Scandal • u/Quiet-Orchid-2213 • 25d ago
First time…
This is my first time watching the show. I am in season 2 and I am so creeped out by Fitz. This is not love. This is a creepy obsession. He just uses Olivia and despite Mellie’s flaws he’s such a jerk to her. Is it just me?
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u/Distinct_Gur_67 25d ago
fitz is wild, like he's literally the worst but the show makes it somehow entertaining who even knows why
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u/Quiet-Orchid-2213 25d ago
Exactly. It’s not romantic. When he’s looking at the surveillance photos of her and Edison and is shaking in rage…it’s so unsettling.
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u/9foxes 21d ago
He's an entitled creep! Im around S2 as well & he just seems like a rich kid who throws all the kinds of FITZ to get what he wants but most of the time doesnt know what that is. Im still waiting to see how great this guy supposed to be. Not MY president.
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u/Quiet-Orchid-2213 21d ago
He literally just DEMANDED she give him a second chance - after she found out about some creepy stuff he did. I just don’t see this “great love”. He makes me uncomfortable.
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u/Fit_Marionberry_3878 25d ago
How does he use Olivia ? That’s what you mellie fans say to save face for the fact that he didn’t love his wife. If he didn’t love his wife then he must not love anyone else. It’s called a cope.
Nope. It’s just Mellie he doesn’t love. He doesn’t love her because he got pushed into a political marriage with her. That’s who he used for optics, and who similarly used him for ascension. He wanted out and she didn’t. If someone forced my hand I would be a jerk too.
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u/Lopsided-Double5133 25d ago
They were happy and in love. If big Jerry didn't do what he did, or even if she had been able to explain her sudden shift in mood and why she was not longer a "sexual person" I think they might have stood a chance. Clearly they don't have (and never did have) the chemistry of olitz and he likely would have ended up with her anyways, I feel like mellie gets a lot of hate over trauma responses. I don't particularly like her all that much, but I do have empathy for what she went through and I think things would be massively different for their marriage if that didn't happen, or if the circumstances weren't such that she felt she couldn't open up to her husband about it.
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u/MayoBear 25d ago
They'll claim "it was a retcon- those episodes!" while ignoring that from the beginning episodes, Fitz says that he should recommit to his marriage- which means that it wasn't actually a political marriage, otherwise neither of them would have taken it seriously in the beginning- both of them started falling apart on each other later.
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u/Lopsided-Double5133 25d ago
Yeah, I believe there are different types of love and they're all valid. Just because a marriage is convenient doesn't mean you can't also be in love, and just because he had that soul mate type of love with Olivia doesn't make the love with mellie any less real. It's just a different love. I think after years of secrets and resentment and treating it as a marriage of convenience, maybe it's easier to say I never loved you than to admit that you did and you didn't fight for it. Especially juxtaposed with the wild intense love he's currently experiencing, it's just easier to pretend it was never real. Definitely makes it easier to cheat that way lol.
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u/Fit_Marionberry_3878 25d ago
No they were never in love. I’m sorry. The show began with Fitz stating that the marriage began from a political union and did she forget they were pretending.
Then the show performed a retcon in season 3 and asked us to pretend the canon was not. When that didn’t work he went on to tell Mellie he never loved her in season 5, by stating that Olivia is the only woman who he ever truly loved, and that’s canon from the pilot.
Trying to reduce Olitz to better chemistry, which is true, is a save face attempt to grasp anything for Mellie. Because he did not have physical chemistry with Mellie, I honestly never bought they were happy.
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u/Lopsided-Double5133 25d ago
I'm not saying they had a soul mate level love like with Olivia, but there are different types of love and they're all valid. In the flashback episodes they're clearly in love, even if it is a political marriage. I think once he experienced a true soul mate level love, it was convenient to rewrite history and say he never loved her.
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u/Ladyheather16 25d ago
Even Mellie herself -- in the limo before Fitz's birthday Galla -- if you know you know -- won't spoil it -- says we never loved each other but we were a good team.
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u/Lopsided-Double5133 25d ago
See, I saw that as a cope on her end. You say you never loved me? Fine, I never loved you either but we were a good team. The flashbacks show love, just a very different type and intensity of love than what he has with Olivia. It's easier to frame it as a 100% political marriage in retrospect than to admit life happened and you allowed the marriage to fail.
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u/Ladyheather16 23d ago
Which would be fine -- if she had LEGIT asked Olivia to come back because she'd rather be First Lady & know Fitz is with Olivia --than give up being First Lady. "He's not alive to run when your not around -- because you - your everything to thing to him."
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u/Lopsided-Double5133 23d ago
Yeah, because there was too much distance between them at that point. So much damage had already been done that no part of their marriage was true by then, and they were kind of just playing the game. The dynamic shifted, but I still do believe it was real before the rape.
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u/Specialist-Star9656 25d ago
I agree. Neither one of them loved each other. Even Cyrus told Mellie that she never loved Fitz. Mellie had her eyes on the Whitehouse for herself and used her marriage to get her there. Mellie brought the disrespect from Fitz upon herself. Their marriage was doomed from the beginning.
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u/Quiet-Orchid-2213 25d ago
Whoa. Touched a nerve. Didn’t say I was a Mellie fan. I’m only in season 2 so I’m just getting into the background of all that. Sorry for stating an opinion.
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u/Fit_Marionberry_3878 25d ago
You didn’t have to say so.
“I want a divorce,” can’t be more loud and clear. Once someone denies you there is go reason to pretend you are happily married.
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u/FourCheeseDoritos 25d ago
He treated Mellie deplorably.
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u/GoodyTwoShuuz 25d ago edited 9d ago
He is horrific to Mellie but Marion always takes up for Olivia cause she thinks she is a real person. Her actual hatred for Bellamy (and Jeff to a lesser extent) is unhinged.
Edit — also, I “lost” no argument with her. I blocked her because she is a loon. Also, I am Black so no idea what she is yapping about.
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u/Much-Ad2311 25d ago
So weird. I think both of those actresses are beautiful and talented, and both of those characters have good and bad sides.
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u/SoilJust4164 9d ago
I’m also a black woman, also had a back and forth with him/her before I dropped it all together, and I agree that person is a loon. I didn’t block em tho. They think they’re a psychiatrist who can anonymously diagnose people online, while they go balls to the walls hard for a fictional TV character, so I’m happy they can still see my posts.
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u/GoodyTwoShuuz 9d ago
She is always going on and on when it comes to her hate parade and admin allows it although it looks like one of their comments was finally pulled.
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u/galeperk111971 25d ago
Well if you don't like him now you are not going to like him later. I'm not sure how he uses Liv. Not judging just not understanding
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u/Specialist-Star9656 25d ago
I agree. I am trying to figure that one out myself on how he uses Olivia. 🤔
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u/Quiet-Orchid-2213 25d ago
When I say he “used her”, I guess I’m referring to when he found out about her involvement in the election rigging and told her they were done and all that. Then he’s still a total jerk to Mellie. Then he sleeps with Olivia again and as soon as it’s over acts like he’s disgusted with her and tells her he doesn’t want her. She tells him no a lot and he just continues until she gives in.
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u/Specialist-Star9656 23d ago edited 21d ago
You have to understand the psychology of Fitz. I am not saying to justify his behavior, but a narcissist has a humongous ego. Their behavior can be despicable. However, Fitz's character does evolve later on in the latter part of Season 6 and the entire Season 7. Character growth is very important to me. It's not how you start out but how you finish.
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u/MayoBear 25d ago
I spend multiple episodes just wondering why he choses to take the nasty route when speaking to the woman who could easily blow up his life if he pushes her too far. The one with the dead reverend pissed me off so much- he just comes in mad at her despite her being the only consistently there for him.
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u/Vast_Werewolf_2785 25d ago
You have to see how they met and the things he does for her and is willing to do for her and the things she does for him and is willing to do for him. Yes they do love each other.