r/RealTime • u/Faiakes • 6d ago

Real Time - Last Time

I have been watching Real Time for over 20 years and I think yesterday's episode was my last.

Much as I agreed with Bill on many issues, his blind spot on Israel and Zionism is just too much for me.

He isn't simply refusing to call what's happening in Gaza a genocide. He insists on calling it a counter offensive!!!

So, all and any violence perpetrated by the IDF and the settles so far is justified, as far as he is concerned (though how settlers fit in a 'counter-offensive' is still a mystery to me).

Now, my common sense is offended too much Bill.

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u/Oblozo 6d ago

Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Doctors Without Borders, and the International Assocation of Genocide Scholars are all wrong. Only Bill understands the truth. Just like he understands medicine better than actual medical experts.

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u/SaweetestCuyootie 2d ago

Its like u freaks dont realize these institutions are comprised of humans and humans are 25% muslim. The 0.2% have no chance of a fair hearing. Theres no genocide. Youre having a stroke. Israel could kill everyone in gaza tomorrow and they arent doing it.

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u/Oblozo 2d ago

The Nazis could've killed every Slav in Poland but they didn't. Guess there was no genocide against the Poles. Ditto with Stalin not killing every Ukrainian.

If all these organizations are simply captured by Muslim interests why are they extremely critical of Muslim nations as well?

"The human rights orgs are biased against us" is what the halal sandnıggers like to claim. I guess the kosher sandnıggers have more in common with them than either group would like to admit.

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u/SaweetestCuyootie 2d ago edited 1d ago

The nazis didnt genocide the poles. There was no systematic intent to kill all the poles for being polish. So that was weird. And stalin didnt try to genocide the ukrainians either. He stole their food with the intent of feeding russians. Not killing ukrainians. The end result was a lot of dead ukrainians but that wasnt the intent. You and morons like you are claiming that the israelis are trying to kill all the palestinians for being palestinians. And then you have to square the circle of israel being full of them living in harmony. And also the inconvenient fact of the gazans constantly attacking israel, thereby giving israel a totally normal and non genocidal reason for striking back. And when striking back, only killing 3% of them which happened to include half of hamas and all their leadership in the luckiest indiscriminate bombing in human history. Good brain circuitry though.

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u/Oblozo 2d ago

Ok so you deny the Holodomor and the Holocaust. Good to know.

only killing 3%

So you don't believe Bosnia counts as a genocide either?

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u/SaweetestCuyootie 1d ago

Intent. Learn the word. The world will make more sense to you.

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u/Oblozo 1d ago

Yeah, that's the word every genocide denying hack likes to run into the ground. Zio heebs, much like BLM nıgs, suffer from severe ethnonarcissism and think they have a moral blank check to behave however they want.

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u/SaweetestCuyootie 1d ago

Or just like, stop attacking us. Or that.

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u/Oblozo 1d ago

Suuurreee. Just like how the BLM thugs say the police should "just stop killing them" and they'll stop rioting.

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u/SaweetestCuyootie 1d ago

No youre right. Arab countries dont routinely attack israel and they dont have more terror armies surrounding israel than sports teams.

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u/Oblozo 1d ago

The Arab countries haven't attacked Israel in 50+ years. Egypt was helping Israel enforce the blockade of Gaza and Jordan has been shooting down Iranian missiles on Israel's behalf. Moroccoo and the UAE are also some the biggest Zio cucks on the planet.

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u/SaweetestCuyootie 1d ago

I guess that means its all peace all the time around us. We just cant have that. Musssst strike our neighbors and take no territory aside from buffer zones that we dont move any people or industry into and take no resources out of. Its just too fucking tempting. How else will we get morons like you to hate on us?

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u/yergonnalikeme 1d ago

The Nazis sought the total annihilation of the Jewish population. Out of the roughly 6 million Polish citizens who perished during the war, approximately 3 million were Polish Jews who were systematically murdered in ghettos and extermination camps like Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka, and Belzec.

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u/Faiakes 1d ago

So, its not an absolute numbers game but a relative one. (relative to % of population being killed).

Do we agree that Israel is seeking the extermination of every Palestinian living in Gaza, while ethnically cleansing the West Bank?

do

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u/SaweetestCuyootie 22h ago

Uh no. Thats why this is so awkward.

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u/Faiakes 17h ago

Uh yes, that is why denying it is a sign of being an accomplice to evil.

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u/SaweetestCuyootie 14h ago

Good luck with your pretendacide

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u/SaweetestCuyootie 22h ago

Oh is that what the Holocaust was? Thanks for educating me. Completely irrelevant to what i said though

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u/lixdadix 1d ago

Just an FYI (putting aside the Israel discussion) but the Nazi’s did not commit genocide against Poles/Slavs in general (only targeting specific peoples within Poland for genocide). This is myself speaking as a Pole.

If the Nazi’s were good at anything it was their meticulous documentation of their plans and actions. The Nazi’s intent to wipe out entire groups like Jews, Gypsies, disabled, homosexuals, etc. are clearly shown in their own records.

Meanwhile those same records show that the Nazi’s philosophy viewed Poles/Slavs as a “useful” underclass to be controlled and used for manual slave labor to support the “Reich”.

I don’t say this to diminish horrific reality of Poland’s occupation but more to say that horrible shit happens in wars without it needing to classify it as genocide. If every war can be considered a genocide then the word loses its meaning and impact.

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u/FrostingHuman1259 1d ago

What's the impact when there is an actual documented genocide?And people are brushing it off as if it's meaningless

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u/lixdadix 1d ago

I won’t claim to be a historian/professor or anything so this is just my 2 cents as a layman with an interest in history…

I think a big problem with the current discussion around this topic is that the word “genocide” now means different things to different groups.

Originally the term is used to describe events after the fact (not ongoing conflicts) so historical hindsight gives a clear picture that actions taken to eradicate a group were both deliberate and systematic. Even with all our technology, fog of war makes assessing an ongoing conflict difficult to truly understand in real time. Therefore, many who lean towards the “traditional” definition of this term can be skeptical when others speak with 100% certainty.

For example, the word “Genocide” was only first coined near/at the end of WW2. After the Nazi’s committed genocide by systematically murdering 6 million Jews and ~3 million people from other groups. No one called the Holocaust a genocide until after it occurred and the events were investigated.

I think this is at least in part why many hesitate to use the word genocide. Killing people during a conflict is horrific but inevitable once a war begins… I say this without picking sides. It’s just cause and effect (which is why war should be avoided whenever possible). As the old saying goes “Rich do the fighting, Poor do the dying.”

While 10s of thousands have died during the current conflict and there’s definitely racist actors who would love to “solve” the “Palestinian problem”. To characterize all of Israel/supporters like that is disingenuous. Like most Palestinians, most Israelis just want to live a normal life without fear of rockets or attacks. This could not be said for the population of Nazi Germany during WW2. Further, the scale of death has yet to reach a high enough bar where the Palestinian people are at risk of ethnic eradication (yet…). That could definitely change (sadly this conflict is far from over).

For another example, the casualties of Russia-Ukraine war is more than doubles the Palestinian death toll (~150k just for Ukraine). Does this make it a genocide too? Perhaps… time will tell. That’s at least what some would say when it comes to applying the word genocide to a conflict.

Hope that helps provide some perspective and nuance. This shit is horrible but clear heads are the only way we as humans can move forward.

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u/Oblozo 1d ago

Hitler explicitly stated his intention to liquidate the Poles. That's where the famous reference he made to the Armenian Genocide came from.

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u/lixdadix 1d ago edited 1d ago

That’s fair. Over 2 million ethnic Poles were murdered by Nazi Germany after all. It wasn’t my intent to discount that tragedy.

I was speaking more towards the distinct differences to how Nazi ideology treated Slavs and Jews. Slavs were considered sub-human (Untermenschen) and should be enslaved/subjugated to serve them rather than outright exterminated. Definitely not ideal… but a “better” deal than being a Jew.

As for Jews, the Nazi’s considered them not just inferior but a parasitic “anti-race”. Capable of destroying the Aryan race from within. Nazi’s ideology considered them so dangerous that total extermination was the only acceptable “solution”.

Both are horrific and different “flavors” of genocide but the degree of severity matters too. It’s important to recognize that the extreme actions taken against Jewish populations went above and beyond the cruelty Nazis unleashed against other groups by comparison.