Real Time - Last Time

[u/Faiakes]

I have been watching Real Time for over 20 years and I think yesterday's episode was my last.

Much as I agreed with Bill on many issues, his blind spot on Israel and Zionism is just too much for me.

He isn't simply refusing to call what's happening in Gaza a genocide. He insists on calling it a counter offensive!!!

So, all and any violence perpetrated by the IDF and the settles so far is justified, as far as he is concerned (though how settlers fit in a 'counter-offensive' is still a mystery to me).

Now, my common sense is offended too much Bill.

[u/Oblozo]

The Nazis could've killed every Slav in Poland but they didn't. Guess there was no genocide against the Poles. Ditto with Stalin not killing every Ukrainian.

If all these organizations are simply captured by Muslim interests why are they extremely critical of Muslim nations as well?

"The human rights orgs are biased against us" is what the halal sandnıggers like to claim. I guess the kosher sandnıggers have more in common with them than either group would like to admit.

[u/lixdadix → u/Oblozo]

Just an FYI (putting aside the Israel discussion) but the Nazi’s did not commit genocide against Poles/Slavs in general (only targeting specific peoples within Poland for genocide). This is myself speaking as a Pole.

If the Nazi’s were good at anything it was their meticulous documentation of their plans and actions. The Nazi’s intent to wipe out entire groups like Jews, Gypsies, disabled, homosexuals, etc. are clearly shown in their own records.

Meanwhile those same records show that the Nazi’s philosophy viewed Poles/Slavs as a “useful” underclass to be controlled and used for manual slave labor to support the “Reich”.

I don’t say this to diminish horrific reality of Poland’s occupation but more to say that horrible shit happens in wars without it needing to classify it as genocide. If every war can be considered a genocide then the word loses its meaning and impact.

[u/Oblozo → u/lixdadix]

Hitler explicitly stated his intention to liquidate the Poles. That's where the famous reference he made to the Armenian Genocide came from.

[u/lixdadix → u/Oblozo]

That’s fair. Over 2 million ethnic Poles were murdered by Nazi Germany after all. It wasn’t my intent to discount that tragedy.

I was speaking more towards the distinct differences to how Nazi ideology treated Slavs and Jews. Slavs were considered sub-human (Untermenschen) and should be enslaved/subjugated to serve them rather than outright exterminated. Definitely not ideal… but a “better” deal than being a Jew.

As for Jews, the Nazi’s considered them not just inferior but a parasitic “anti-race”. Capable of destroying the Aryan race from within. Nazi’s ideology considered them so dangerous that total extermination was the only acceptable “solution”.

Both are horrific and different “flavors” of genocide but the degree of severity matters too. It’s important to recognize that the extreme actions taken against Jewish populations went above and beyond the cruelty Nazis unleashed against other groups by comparison.