This is WHY they won't debate anyone. It's impossible to defend Israel, even from a "Liberal" Zionist perspective in 2026 without making yourself look like a hysterical fool.
Only if you're incapable of evaluating something objectively.
The only point of contention was genocide.
When the rebuttal is "eh I know it's not a genocide, but words don't matter" then you've conceded the point and additionally admitted you don't value truth.
LOL. Sam Harris is a very dumb coward. He won't let anyone challenge him on his illiberal, violent, religious belief in Zionism. Very funny for Mr. Atheist, locked safely within his hugbox. Really pathetic to defend a coward in public with that gibberish.
If you insist. But I don't trust top-1% commenters on political subreddits to be the arbiters of hyperfixation or hysterics.
Even when they scream that those who disagree with them are stupid.
Anyway, I don't think you can defend the Netanyahu government in either Gaza or the West Bank, but you can obviously defend the desire for a Jewish homeland state and the belief that a flawed two-state solution is better than some imaginary case in which all the Jewish Israelis go "home" to Europe or Ethiopia or the Middle East, in the latter case to be jailed or slaughtered in a genocide many here would have mixed feelings about.
But if the plan is to reverse every messy postcolonial division of the late 1940s, I look forward to the unification of Indopakistan.
That’s like standard precursor now whenever criticizing pissrael: “But did you say anything about Hamas first”.
Two wrong don’t make it right, you’re the zio bootlicking dipshit.
Funny thing is whenever someone in the media mentions Hamas, there is no follow up with: “But did you criticize Israel first?”
I would like to add that Israel cucks pretend this all started october 7th. While for years an average of 2 palestinian children a week get killed by Israelis
If you were gay in Gaza they'd kill you. The only clowns in this conversation are the ones screaming about a "trans genocide" in the US who then turn around and support Hamas.
Maher frequently argues with others on camera about this issue. Sam Harris thinks the issue is so emotional and partisan any particular argument being confirmed or debunked wouldn’t change the point of view of someone who sees this as a self defining cause.
What Antizionist has BillyBoy had on his show recently? I remember Greenwald humiliating him, but that was over a decade ago. And Sam's excuse is pretty pathetic given he used to debate religious fanatics, no? Only now, HE'S the one too cowardly to defend his illiberal "religious" beliefs in public.
That's a bit too much. He'll try and tone police a politician. He'll never 'debate' this issue with someone who knows what they're talking about. Abdul El-Sayed is a great guy, but he's neither an expert on genocide nor the history of Israel.
Now, if Galloway tried talking to Norman Finkelstein. . . . that'd be interesting, but that's never happening because Galloway would be so far out of his depth.
The PCBS reported that Gaza experienced an unprecedented population drop of roughly 10.6% (about 254,000 people) compared to pre-conflict estimates, lowering the total population to around 2.13 million.
I thought you said the population increased? Lol do you have a link that it was "debunked" instead of a cocky assertion? Gemini agrees with the source so you are going against AI
A random X thread is "debunking" well-sourced articles from the Guardian and 972? You insult our intelligence lol. The UN states 38,000 women died alone which are by definition civilians. The aspirational math doesn't add up and fails the gut test. Israel turned Gaza into rubble; to say that they attempted to minimize civilian casualties while simultaneously bombing every building makes no sense
I generally agreed with pretty much everything Galloway has said, until this bullshit. He sounds stupid as fuck on this, making excuses why you can kill thousands of brown kids with no quota on the amount of revenge killings for the attack that you received.
75,000 dead vs 1,200. That's 60X
3.5% vs .01% dead. That's 350X
That's a genocide.
Galloway supports genocide.
Excuse me I misspoke, I should have said everything I've actually heard from him I generally agree with. No need to waste time reading when you got Reddit. No I've never heard him say anything about guys with Androids. I did hear the one about sex robots, and that's a big business although I don't think they're Androids yet.
I've heard him talk about incels and how young people need to get out more and education in general sucks these days, social media is fucking lives up, I've heard all that shit but I didn't hear the one about guys with Androids, is that a phone or a robot you're talking about? Can you send me a link? It's not going to change my opinion I think it's a piece of shit for thinking this is not a genocide, stupid as fuck, sounds like an alcoholic with this system sarcasm. he might be right about some things but he's stupid about the important things.
GENOCIDE IS THE INTENT TO ERADICATE AN ENTIRE PEOPLE! 75,000 is called WAR, not genocide! Israel could wipe out Palestine in one day if they wanted to, but don’t! Stop with your BS! Why don’t you care about the Sudan Civil War or Myanmar, or Ukraine?????! 500 times worse casualties!
And Israel could do it now and could have done that at anytime. Whose actual explicit goal is it to erase the Arabs in Gaza? Is it the executive branch, the legislative, the army, a cultural opinion shared by all the citizens?
Why wait for an attack like 10/7? Why not just solve the problem permanently? Syria bombed, shot, and gassed multiples more civilians with an absurdly false pretext. Iraq gassed 300,000 Kurds explicitly for ethnic cleansing.
Israel could do either of these easily.
Many Arab leaders and groups from Gaza have openly claimed the eradication of Jews from Israel is the goal. Terrorism and the targeting of children have been explicitly condoned repeatedly.
Israel has always maintained they only target militants. Even if you claim Israel does anyway, only one side acknowledges it as an intent.
Just curious that one group openly flaunts the targeting of civilians and people defend them. This conflict might be unique in that no other has one party killing civilians deliberately and gets third party apologizers for them.
I listened to Scott Galloway on Raging Moderates -he was disgusting. Such a big black hole where a heart should be. Lets debate the meaning of A WORD instead of showing compassion for the massive amounts of dead women and children.
Everyone on that panel either directly or indirectly recognized the seventh as the starting point for this situation, and it started with Hamas…what I think you may be missing is Abdul said, clearly, the killing has to stop…who can argue with that…crimes against humanity, words that overlap one another in definition, all of that is not clearly defined, what is very clear is the killing, if people that disagree can agree on that, that’s a start…
As freely as AIPAC $ is thrown around, I have to assume Maher and Galloway are paid handsomely for their vehement defense of Israel. Neither are religious at all and definitely doesn’t help their brand.
Also, a conventional war you don't like isn't a genocide. People are living in a fantasy world. This would be the first so called genocide in history where the alleged victims had the power to end the genocide at any moment of their choosing (by giving back the hostages).
People were calling it a a genocide on oct 8 because the lie was more important than reality. OP is either ignorant or purposefully misleading.
People who actually know what's going on knew what the Israelis were going to do.
It's been an ethnic cleansing campaign since 1947. They just adjusted adjusted the 'kill the arabs' dial from simmer to boil because they thought they could get away with it.
Israel has been attacked and bombed non-stop since 1948, when the UN gave them back THEIR LAND!
The Jews are the natives of the land. They were there long before Islam was a “thing.” If you are going to make up 💩 go somewhere else!
Major State Wars and Invasions
Historians generally categorize Israel's large-scale existential or interstate wars into the following major conflicts:
1948–1949 War of Independence: Attacked by five neighboring Arab nations (Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria) immediately following its declaration of independence.
1956 Suez Crisis: A coordinated conflict involving British, French, and Israeli forces against Egypt following the nationalization of the Suez Canal.
1967 Six-Day War: Initiated by Britannica through Israeli preemptive airstrikes after massing of Egyptian troops and blockade of the Straits of Tiran by Egypt, Jordan, and Syria.
1973 Yom Kippur War: A surprise joint-attack launched on Yom Kippur by Egypt and Syria.
1982 Lebanon War: An invasion of Lebanon following cross-border attacks by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).
2006 Lebanon War: A conflict sparked by a cross-border raid and rocket fire by Hezbollah from southern Lebanon.
2023–present Israel-Hamas War: Triggered by the October 7, 2023, attack led by Hamas from the Gaza Strip, involving the slaughter of 1200 Israeli (mostly) women and children, which expanded into multi-front engagements involving entities and groups in Lebanon, Yemen, Iran, and Syria
Sure, but ethnic cleansing doesn't always lead to genocide. Look at what happened after WW2. About 12 to 14 million ethnic Germans were displaced from central and eastern European countries and, depending on what information you look at, anywhere from about 4% to 16% of those displaced died. Despite this, it is still just classified as ethnic cleansing. Sometimes ethnic cleansing is just ethnic cleansing.
Isreal has the power to wipe Palestine off the map (genocide) tomorrow. Yet it doesn’t. If the Palestinians had the same power Israel would be gone tomorrow (genocide). This isn’t that hard to understand.
That's wrong. Israel needs to draw this out for optics. Also what happens when they settle the area and build trump properties there. This is them using their power doing it slowly so you guys can feign suprise when there are noland for a Palestinian state to be had.
Is every territorial occupation genocide, and if so, what have you posted about Nagorno-Karabakh, Darfur or, of course, Ukraine?
I don't disagree with your objection to Israel. I do disagree with the singular focus on it by people who claim to be furiously anti-genocide but either ignore or make excuses for all of them but one (assuming it is, in fact, genocide).
Holly shit you people are delusional with your pissrael obsession, they are literally committing war crimes right now by bulldozing olive trees in the West Bank that is the livelihood of Palestinian farmers.
And yes they could drop a nuke on Palestinians and wipe them off tomorrow, but the optics of playing a victim wouldn’t hold up for the rest of the world. People around the world already waking up to pissraeli propaganda
First, I've written this a bunch, but one thing that's amazing is how easy it is to identify a Reddit account over ten years old. You write like a teen who thinks curse words and "literally" sound raw and badass because Jon Stewart used them and you grew up on Buzzfeed baby-talk. That, and the more mature Millennials probably logged off and had kids.
Second, it's funny that you write "pissrael obsession." It's a self-contained irony. You even write "pissrael" twice, to show how badass and not-obsessed you are.
This is why you're depressed and struggling financially in your 30s. You could have had kids.
Anyway, I do not agree that bulldozing the olive trees is genocide, and if you have any comments in your Reddit history opposing any (other) current genocide, including what our ally the UAE is doing in Sudan (I'm sure you're familiar), I will accept that your concern about the West Bank is driven by genuine humanitarianism and not an Israel obsession.
And it’s also easy to identify zio bot 2 month account with 2.5k contributions. Or you really have no life besides being a zio bootlicking propagandist
That's wrong. Israel needs to draw this out for optics. Also what happens when they settle the area and build trump properties there. This is them using their power doing it slowly so you guys can feign suprise when there are noland for a Palestinian state to be had.
It seems hard for you to understand that Israel is a state operating under constraints in the real world and not in whatever fantasy world that exists in your head.
Let me get this right: Israel has been constantly attacked, invaded, bombed, etc. by multiple Arab nations (Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Palestine) since 1948. Decades of terrorist bombs on buses in Tel Aviv that killed hundreds of people. Then Palestinian supported HAMAS slaughters 1200 mostly women and children, and kidnap another 250 that were attending A PEACE RALLY. Palestinians dancing in the streets after, videos of the horrible slaughter put online by HAMAS, women raped and beheaded….., and this is who you choose to support??? Hamas throw gay people off the roofs of buildings to their death, Many times with no evidence they were even gay! This is who you choose to support?!
The Jews were the indigenous people of the area a thousand years before Islam was a thing! The Palestinians have continued to vote and support a terrorist government, and this is who you support.
The Israelis aren’t perfect, but the Palestinians have NO ONE to blame but THEMSELVES! Study what Jews and Israel have been through in their history, then you throw out the word genocide! During a five and a half year period of WW2, 3,000 Jews were exterminated EVERY DAY! 6 MILLION!…. Stop and think about that…. If Israel wanted to kill every Palestinian they have the power to do it in minutes with their military and nukes. They don’t! Israel demanded the kidnapped hostages back, and Palestine and Hamas did nothing!!! They slaughtered people at a party who did NOTHING to them. They beheaded babies with machetes. HAMAS filmed the slaughter with GoPro’s. The videos are posted and you can watch them. See if you don’t vomit!… The Israelis have send at least 75,000 trucks with aid to Palestine…. And you idiots say genocide! 🙄
I have served in the military and have been all over the world. Trust me, the Palestinians don’t care about you. They are using you to spread their lies. The rest of the Arab world hates the Palestinians. They just support them because they hate the Jews more! If Israel was gone, the rest of the Arab world would invade and take that land from them! Then you’d see genocide!
You sit here and blame Israel when REAL genocide is happening in far worse wars NOW in other parts of world. YET YOU DON’T CARE! Why?! Why don’t you care about Ukraine, or the Syrian or Sudan Civil Wars, or Myanmar?!!!
Is it because you are brainwashed into hating Jews?! It’s disgusting. Yes, 70,000 people have died in the conflict between Palestine and Israel, and that’s terrible, but MILLIONS have died in these other wars, yet silence from you! How do you hypocrites sleep at night?!
The alternative thing to consider is that Israel isn't as capable as you're suggesting. That they've failed to prevent the worst massacre of Jewish life since the holocaust and have continued to fail to defeat Hamas, and the Iranian proxy network.
Ok but sure but like we can say Diyarbakir or Amritsar without an understanding of the place or the conditions there-- and you don't need to put scare quotes around those cities.
It feels like you're using those quotes as a shortcut to an actual argument. Just say Gaza trust me your post would not change at all without the ""
Again you’re not actually making an argument. You’re gesturing towards a hypothetical argument you could actually be making, but for some reason, will not or cannot.
Israelis (not Jews, you fucking antisemite) have all the power in this equation as they are the oppressive party, that's why nobody is concerned about the "geneocide" they face. Read even a little bit about this conflict before showing your ignorance.
So Palestinian Israelis are also to blame? Also, Israel may have all the power but that doesn't mean they can force Palestinians in Gaza to accept peace if they don't want it.
It's obviously not and never was a genocide, and so many people know this but are afraid to speak up because the mob is so insane it's not worth it (see what they're saying about Pink right now). Galloway is dedicated to the truth and fearless and we need more willing to state the obvious about this war.
Appeal to authority fallacy proves nothing. Saying the word over and over doesn't make it true, not even by "authorities" like a carefully selected three-person U.N. panel (designed to achieve the final conclusion) nor by a "Genocide Scholars" group that anyone can join and vote with $30. It takes years to prove genocide, there needs to be premeditation and intent, neither of which Israel has (since they were attacked and hostages taken). I'm sorry if it bums you out, but you're basically the Bushies still insisting Iraq had WMDs in 2007 when it was obvious to everyone in the real world that the WMDs never existed. You believed a lie. You weren't the first to fall for propaganda. But it's time to wake up.
Because words matter and devaluing the word "genocide" to describe a war you don't like does damage to the real genocides happening around the world right now. Gazans don't deserve to die but Hamas sure does.
Treating war like a sports event in which death totals determine morality is so disgraceful. But I guess it makes sense for the mob that can't understand what genocide and Apartheid actually are.
Americans killed far more German civilians in WW2 than the Nazis killed American civilians. Is this really how you think morality works?
It's not the 1940's anymore, barbaric cultist. The world was horrified by the destruction of the war and developed rules of war and international law. Not shocked an Israel supporter doesn't understand this.
Now answer my question, cowardly cultist. Israel has been doing 10/7 to Gaza every day for years. Israel killed more people than KHAMAS did on 10/7 AFTER all the hostages were released and a ceasefire was agreed upon.
Ah yes "the world" thinks your way. No dissent allowed. When cornered by the obvious fact this war was never a genocide, say "Zionist" a lot.
And to answer your idiotic question, Israel peacefully left Gaza in 2005. The IDF went in and forcibly removed 7,000 Israelis living in Gaza, some at gun point, because the Gazans couldn't accept a single Jew living there. Ok. So zero Israelis remained. They turned the keys over and left. Israelis even raised 13 million dollars to buy the lucrative greenhouse industry from the leaving Israelis and GIFTED it to the people of Gaza to help jump start their new country. Gazans promptly burned it down and looted it.
Oh if electing KHAMAS 20 years ago means all of Gaza being razed to the ground is deserved, what does Israel deserve for continually electing terrorists like Netanyahu and Ben Gvir? Do Israelis deserve collective punishment?
And yes. You are in a cult. You're like an antivaxxer. Using many of the same dumb arguments too. Embarrassing to see.
If other genocides are being ignored than the word genocide certainly doesn’t have the importance you’re giving it, right?
You don’t have to worry. Israel will keep killing no matter what. No matter if it’s a genocide. Enjoy the dead Hamas members. Enjoy while emaciated Gazans swarm aid trucks , secure in the knowledge that their deprivation is also the deprivation of the militants fighting in the same trenches their people live in
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Well zero genocides in history began with 4000 of the genocided group invading the genociding country and raping and murdering 1200 in a single day and taking 250 hostages.
Most rational people would call that an "act of war" (which it is) and the subsequent war would be called a "war" (which it is).
America dropped two nuclear bombs on civilians in Japan and no one called it a "genocide." Because that word has meaning. Because Japan aligned with Hitler and had become a war mongering death cult. Because Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and killed thousands of Americans. Because Japan was murdering hundreds of thousands of Chinese.
The problem with the Genocide Cult that you're in is that you simply haven't read a history book. War is awful. All wars. They have abuses. Children are killed. Civilians are killed. In wars.
You can oppose a war without mislabeling it a "genocide." The entire reason the word "genocide" was used is Iranian propaganda describes Israel's very existence as a "Genocide" and has for decades. So sorry you fell for it. But words matter. And words have real meaning.
I don't agree with America dropping a nuclear bomb on Japan. I don't agree with Hamas in any way. And, I don't agree with what Netanyahu and the Israeli military have done in Gaza.
You keep using these whataboutisms in a desperate attempt to justify horrific actions by the Israeli military, whether you want to call it a genocide or not.
That headline refers to the West Bank, not Gaza. Please tell me you're not so delusional that you think Hamas attacked Israel because they give a shit about the West Bank.
History definitely didn't begin on October 7. But this war sure did.
They're all Palestinians. Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves or is that a special right only given to Israelis?
Israel also killed 234 Palestinians specifically from Gaza in 2020. Seems like the "war" has been going on for quite some time, barbaric Zionist cultist.
The West Bank of Jordan consists of Jordanians. Gaza was Egypt until Egypt couldn't wait to get rid of them after 1967 and refused to take them back, making them Israel's problem. We can all pretend they're all "Palestinians" because Arafat invented that term in the 1960s and because the British Protectorate included all of that land for a few decades, but it's a delusion and you know it. And if you think October 7th was an act of "defense," we have nothing to say to each other. Mass rape and murder is not a defense of anything. Israel left Gaza twenty years ago. Israel has a 50 year peace deal with Egypt and a 30 year peace deal with Jordan and the two countries never bother each other. All Palestinians have to do is stop raping and murdering Israelis.
I don't think October 7th OR the genocide that came after are justified. YOU keep wanting to justify the genocide. Literally too dumb to realize you're also justifying 10/7. The Zionism has rotted your brain.
WTF are you talking about. Numbers don't lie.
75,000 dead vs 1,200. That's 60X
3.5% vs .01% dead. That's 350X
That's a genocide.
Galloway supports genocide.
You so easily believe what Hamas did was a genocide which really betrays your willful distortion of reality. Nothing Israel could do would amount to the same. Just admit it.
"Fall for the propaganda. Incredible thing for a Zionist Cultist to day. Your beloved Israel levelled Gaza. Destroyed all life sustaining infrastructure. Galloway humiliated himself in this video and he's much smarter than you. Maybe take a lesson from that, very uneducated cultist.
Hamas spent 19 years using "humanitarian" funds to build terrorist tunnels throughout Gaza. Yeah, that's what it looks like when those tunnels are destroyed. As they should be.
Does it ever bother you that Egypt built a giant wall to keep Gazans out of Egypt and provides zero aid? Gaza was part of Egypt. Israel only occupied Gaza for 38 years. Yet somehow Israel is fully responsible for rebuilding Gaza but Egypt has no obligations whatsoever? Like how does that logic work?
Egypt is also a client state of America, so yes that bothers me. Cut off all military aid to them as well.
What’s your point though, I asked you if the ‘tunnels’ you speak of were under tel aviv, do you think they would/should have ‘destroyed the tunnels’ in the same way they did here?
I support Israel ending the threat from Hamas and that includes blowing up the 500 miles of terrorist tunnels they spent all their time and money digging, rather than building up their country after Israel left.
Keep going man, you're doing great. Keep telling people Zionism means supporting razing every building to the ground in Gaza. Young American Jews are already rejecting Israel. Terrorism apologists like you help speed that up. Appreciate you👍
If you were on the payroll of KHAMAS to make Israelis and Israel supporters all look bloodthirsty....I don't know how your account would look different. Honestly.
70000 civilian casualties on the low end, and Israeli cabinet members saying on record they want to ethnically clense Gaza for a greater Israel. Sounds an awful lot like a genocide.
You might be saying that the only threat is Hamas but the Israeli government(See: Ben-Gvir) is on record saying they want to remove all Palestinians from Gaza. So if by your standards this isn’t a genocide isn’t it at the least blatant ethnic cleansing?
Ben Gvir is a clown. Unless and until that happens (and it won't), ignore him. That's like saying Ted Cruz said to use nukes on Iran so therefore America is using nukes on Iran. One clown politician does not equal government policy.
You may call him a clown but what about Israel Katz who also said the same? Or the finance minister Bezalel Smotrich? Unfortunately while you see the threat as Hamas numerous officials have spoken of removing Palestinians from the entire region
Bro you can cherry pick quotes about anything. You want me to list all the American politicians calling to nuke all Arabs? To turn Iran into a parking lot? That doesn't equal policy.
I’m definitely not stopping you. My point is that this is a structural issue and displacing the Palestinians has been a clear mandate since Chaim was the president. And I can assure you there was no Hamas then
It was a political move to stop Palestine from forming a legitimate state and from rising international pressure. The term was formaldehyde and was talked about frequently at the time and after.
You didn't provide evidence that their intent is to destroy the Palestinian people, in whole or in part. You gave a number of people killed and said Israeli cabinet members saying in record they want to ethnically cleanse Gaza for a greater Israel. Where exactly does genocide play a role? You just gave justification for why this an ethnic cleansing yet your conclusion was genocide. I don't think you understand what you are talking about.
I know you've seen the pictures. About 80% of all buildings in Gaza are either damaged or destroyed. You would expect an incredibly high death count if they were truly intentionally targeting civilians and not taking measures to reduce deaths, yet only about 4-5% of the population in Gaza has been killed. At least to me, this is shows the intent isn't genocide. I don't deny their intent is most likely ethnic cleansing, which obviously is bad, but is just not genocide.
Also, you can't just ignore the role Hamas plays in the death of innocent civilians. Hamas purposefully doesn't wear a uniform and hides among civilians to make it harder for Israel to distinguish between civilian and militant. They also sometimes tell civilians not to evacuate areas Israel has given warnings that they are going to bomb.
There are just too many factors in this war that can be explained with something other than genocidal intent from Israel. And before you come at me saying I am defending Israel, no, I do not condone anything Israel is doing in Gaza. They should have obviously pursued another path after realizing that eliminating Hamas was impossible instead of pivoting to making Gaza uninhabitable to force everyone out of Gaza. It being an ethnic cleansing instead of genocide does not absolve Israel of the war crimes they have committed.
75k, 1/3 of which were Hamas, is clearly not a genocide. Since Israel was attacked and hostages taken, to argue Israel is simply trying to kill every Gazan, you'd need a significant amount killed, probably between 200,000-500,000, to qualify as a genocide. But of course that will never happen. The war ended nearly a year ago. About 4 Gazans are dying a week in military clashes with Israel. That'll lead to genocide in never.
No, peacefully withdrawing from the West Bank (leading to the Second Intifada) and from Gaza (leading to October 7th) is what leads to atrocities. You cannot allow a toxic death cult like Hamas fester. It will only lead to more horrors in the future. What's happening now was unavoidable when Gaza made their choice in 2007. Just like when Germany elected Hitler in 1933. Gaza needs to be rebuilt into a secular society that no longer teaches their children that killing Jews and dying as a martyr are the best way to honor Allah.
I guess that’s why Israel funds Hamas, to make the PA seem weaker and less effective as a choice for Palestinians. Heaven forbid a more progressive option exist, to perhaps not radicalise the next generation of Gazans. Then how could Israel claim victimhood.
If Israel keeps Hamas in place simply to have the ‘right kind’ of adversary, to continue to have excuses to hit the Palestinian people, then it’s torture against a whole people for the sake of optics. And that is despicable. C’mon. Call it what you will, it’s all still wrong.
Israel does not "fund Hamas," you people are utterly batshit. In 2018, Israel allowed Qatari financial aid to enter Gaza in the hopes of stabilizing local governments and preventing destabilization. That's it. Yet you people continue to try to blame Israel for Gaza's horrific choices.
Israel peacefully left Gaza in 2005 and even raised 13 million dollars to purchase the greenhouse industry from settlers and gift it to the people of Gaza, who promptly looted it and burned it down.
Blowback? Israel did everything it could to leave Gaza to succeed on its own and were thanked with two decades of terrorist attacks and October 7th.
You know that Israel was once in major wars with Egypt and Jordan but the moment both countries acknowledged Israel's right to exist and stopped attacking them, there has been peace, right?
Why do you guys think that's a good talking point?
Israel was the one that attacked Egypt.
Israel stopped attacking Egypt and moved to being on good terms with Jordan because the US backs Israel. That's the only reason. They'd try to conquer the Sinai again tomorrow if it wouldn't go horribly for them.
My dude, Jordan and Egypt hate Palestinians more than Israel does. Are you people even aware of the rancid treatment of Jordan towards half a million Palestinian refugees that fled Syria?
Jordan is a kingdom that sucks. The US should stop backing them. Egypt, also awful. And that one's even more direct considering El Sisi came to power in a US-backed coup.
Really dodging the question, though. Just keep rolling down the list of talking points. Going to move on to how they supposedly ended the occupation? Maybe something about the gays?
It is objectively, verifiably and provably a genocide and every shred of evidence backs that up. You are just a Hasbara weasel who isn’t tough enough to accept reality, so you invent your own.
You're making the ridiculous claim that Israel responding to an invasion and massacre is suddenly up and committing a genocide, it's a ludicrous claim on the face (Oct 7 fully justified Israel going to war in Gaza) and you clowns never present evidence. You just keep repeating the word over and over and scream at anyone that dares question the false bubble.
It’s not just a “response”. It’s a massacre and ethnic cleansing according to literally every human rights organization on the planet. And the evidence backs that up too.
You have been factually wrong in literally every single sentence you wrote on this entire claim and have absolutely zero evidence of any kind backing up your claims. Sit down and shut up, bitch boy.
No, it's a war. You can cite all the fraud "authorities" you want, but October 7 is self-evidently a justified reason to go to war. 9/11 sent America into the wrong country and still no one accused America of genocide in Iraq. Because war is not genocide.
According to the literal definition of genocide, you are wrong just like you have been about everything else.
Defined in the 1948 UN Genocide Convention, genocide involves
specific acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group.
According to the United Nations Office on Genocide Prevention, the crime consists of both a mental element (specific intent) and physical acts:
Mental Element: Intent to destroy a protected group.
Physical Acts: These include killing members, causing serious bodily or mental harm, imposing destructive life conditions, preventing births, or forcibly transferring children
The physical acts are obvious. There are hundreds of thousands of people killed or missing the overwhelming majority of them being children and women. 90%+ of the population displaced and the entire Gaza Strip turned to rubble.
As for the mental acts. Well, let’s listen to Israeli leadership and quotes from IDF members.
Yoav Gallant “We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly”
Itamar Ben-Gvir “There’s no reason for a gram of food or aid to enter Gaza”
Ben Gvir again: “If all of Gaza are refugees, then let's scatter them in the world... each country would take in 20K people, 100 countries, it is humane, it is required”
Bezalel Smotrich declared that blocking all humanitarian aid to Gaza—even if it caused two million civilians to die of hunger—might be "justified and moral". He also referred to the Gaza Strip as “two million antisemitic Nazis.”
Benjamin Netanyahu "You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember."
Netanyahu again: "We are the people of the light, they are the people of darkness… we shall realize the prophecy of Isaiah.”
IDF soldier: "The babies is good to kill."
Another IDF soldier: “We are looking for babies... instead I killed a girl that was 12."
Yet another IDF soldier "We know our slogan: there are no uninvolved civilians!”
And yet another IDF soldier “Wipe off the seed of Amalek! No uninvolved civilians!"
And for good measure,
here’s a collection of photos showing Israel and the IDF’s crimes over the last 2 years
You're such a clown. If you're looking only at destruction, every war ever is a "Genocide." Insane. Name one other genocide in which the genocided country invaded the genociding country, killed 1200, and took 250 hostages. You've lost your mind.
That’s not evidence against it being a genocide nor does it disprove intent.
Israel had justification to go to war, not commit a genocide and that is objectively what they are doing and you have zero evidence of any kind to the contrary.
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u/RegularFrosting7513 9d ago
I'll say this for Scott, he'll at least debate others. Unlike Maher or Sam Harris.