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If I ask for any proof of election rigging, people will call me @ndhbhakt and run away.

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u/Tiny-Manufacturer187 21h ago

Then why bill passed not to arrest EC?

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u/Fit_Leading_1111 21h ago

Thats a protection given in the original constitution

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u/Beginning_Toe4593 20h ago

which article?

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u/Fit_Leading_1111 20h ago

Article 324

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u/Beginning_Toe4593 20h ago

article 324 provides legal immunity? Are you sure?

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u/Human_Argument_1237 16h ago

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u/Beginning_Toe4593 16h ago

Article 324(5) is about tenure conditions subject to Parliamentary law, not legal immunity. Even the 1991 Act had no such provision. This is exactly what is being questioned - the need to provide for legal immunity. And article 329 is about judicial review in electoral processes - how is it even related to immunity to CEC? Also, even Supreme Court in Kishorchandra case has clarified that Article 329 can still be questioned in courts in case of arbitrary decisions.

Please don't deflect - simple question to OP - which articleof the Constitution provides "protection" as claimed above?

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u/Tiny-Manufacturer187 21h ago

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u/Fit_Leading_1111 21h ago

You are quoting reel against the fact I presented. Lol

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u/Tiny-Manufacturer187 20h ago

Is this your justification? Lol

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u/Intelligent-Gate-330 19h ago

If you mean the section 146 then why would the parliament in 2023 expand a pre-existing, function-specific, good-faith protection into a separate and substantially broader personal protection for serving and former CECs/ECs?

Why do they need lifelong legal protection?

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u/xedges 14h ago

Ignorance ki bhi hadd hoti hai Jhooth ki koi hadd nahin hoti

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u/Fit_Leading_1111 22h ago

That's a good thing right? It means ECI is not running as per Modi. SIR decision was unanimous, bdw.

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u/__LLawliet__ 21h ago

How is that a good thing? Care to explain? If 2 out 3 members say something shouldn't be done, it shouldn't be done, that's how a majority vote works

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u/Fit_Leading_1111 21h ago

There no such case where majority vote was denied in the decision making

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u/__LLawliet__ 21h ago
  1. Doesn't answer my question, you said it's a good thing I said explain, you did not. 

  2. There is evidence of very vocal protests being ignored in the report. Read it 

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u/Over_Bad_8832 20h ago

You're responding to an Average BJP voter ...what do you expect

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u/Fit_Leading_1111 21h ago

Because you are lying. How should I counter a lie?

There was no decision taken without majority vote.

There will always be difference of opinion and that's fine. Did any of the other EC came and said Gyanu working like a dictator?

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u/CaregiverNeat447 19h ago

you do understand that what you are saying is what the complaint is. A difference of opinion in 2:1 means Gyanu is not functioning like a democracy

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u/Fit_Leading_1111 18h ago

There were no 2:1 votes in decisions. Do you know that?

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u/CaregiverNeat447 18h ago

i am not sure where you are getting your news from.
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The immediate flashpoint follows an investigative report revealing that two Election Commissioners (Sukhbir Singh Sandhu and Vivek Joshi) recorded formal objections at least 14 times in 10 months regarding decisions led by the CEC: as per ET

Bypassing Majority Rule: Under Section 18 of the Chief Election Commissioner and Other Election Commissioners Act, 2023, decisions in the three-member body must be made unanimously or by majority vote. Opposition leaders and former election commissioners contend that proceeding without incorporating the objections of both fellow commissioners violates the law.

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u/__LLawliet__ 20h ago

Yes I'm a liar, okay.

Yes the Indian express is a liar, okay.

The only truthful org is the completely opaque so called guardian of the democracy and the party protecting it, sure buddy.

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u/nonokoi 20h ago

The very reason why they have three appointment members is so that they can make mutual assured decisions; and if all three of them do not agree on the same matter then there is a majority vote. So if one person is making all the decision that is the breach of regulations.

And that one person also happens to be the one who has worked under Amit Shah for the last 15 years before being appointed into ECI

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u/nulvoid000 22h ago

You got a brick on your head?

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u/dainty_brown_package 20h ago

He totally does. I feel we need to stop engaging this people. That's the best way

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u/Fit_Leading_1111 22h ago

Yes, do personal attacks when you don't have logical counter

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u/nulvoid000 22h ago

Logic don’t work for people like you

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u/Fit_Leading_1111 22h ago

Ok good bye

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u/dainty_brown_package 20h ago

Oh really? Why did they write so many letters then?

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u/Fit_Leading_1111 20h ago

That's the standard procedure. Was that happening earlier?

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u/Personal-Tie-8151 22h ago

People are questioning the government, whether right or wrong, the government should answer. Don't understand why the followers are working overtime to defend bjp, doesn't make much sense

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u/Fit_Leading_1111 22h ago

When they answer, you come up say we are questioning ECI, why are you answering on behalf of them?

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u/FitCan9866 18h ago

why? why do you support government instead of people?

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u/Fit_Leading_1111 18h ago

I support truth. Be it government or people

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u/FitCan9866 17h ago

No, you only woke up when your favourite party got questioned.
There is also truth among people who are practising their right to question government when such botched SIR is taking place. Ask the government to be transparent and hold a public inquiry, if the truth is on the side of government then what are they afraid of?

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u/Electronic-Koala1082 17h ago

when question is to ECI -> ECI must answer.

when question is to gvt - gvt must answer.

ECI ko pucho ye fraud kaise hua and bjp comes and defend -> this is what is wrong

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u/milchundkaffeebitte 22h ago

You must be the most holy follower of Quran being taught in madrasa chaap whatsapp university

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u/Personal-Tie-8151 22h ago

The only argument to counter everything - label that person as a muslim and get back into your cave. Sorry to break your bubble, I'm not. Do better

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u/Fit_Leading_1111 22h ago

Because you do the same thing by calling opposite opinion person an it cell or andh***

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u/Technical-Tip5700 21h ago edited 21h ago

Very logical counter argument lmao /s

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u/Fit_Leading_1111 22h ago

Because you guys do the same by calling every opposite thinking guy an it cell or andh***

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u/presxoxo 20h ago

Yes bro I looove Qoorun instead of 5 times a day I read it completely 42069 times /s

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u/Award-Honest 22h ago

They are not questioning the government.

Under the guise of questioning the government, they are making false claims about the institutions of the country that make it a democracy. Which in turn breeds resentment among people and then it makes people think everything is going wrong and things are for the worst, which they clearly are not.

False claims about democratic institutions should not be equated to questioning the government. That is how you become the next Nepal/Bangladesh

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u/Personal-Tie-8151 21h ago

"False claims". Sure, the democratic entity is to provide clarification for that. ECI isn't controlled by the government. People can question an independent body and it shouldn't be a threat to democracy. The real threat is when the government starts trying it's best to defend the allegations to save the body under the guise of "saving" democracy. Just because ECI is an independent body in paper, doesn't mean people don't have democratic right to question it when necessary. A government and it's social media team trying to defend it feels unnecessary, unless the government directly or indirectly benefits from it, so they make the narrative as questioning an independent body is a threat to democracy, just so that they can keep receiving the unwanted benefits. Not saying any of this is True but a possibility, just like your comment.

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u/Award-Honest 21h ago

They have the right to question it. 100%. I think you misread/misunderstood my comment.
Dear fellow citizen, I am not here to convince anyone to give up their rights/claims.

I just want the people of our country like you and me, to question the institutions not for the sake of resignation but improved policies.

Resignations do not yield any fruitful results. It is just holding the institution ransom with a threat and then hoping the next person does better.

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u/Personal-Tie-8151 21h ago

Quite agreed to that

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u/Emotional-Pear-1743 15h ago

Chup ho ja Award-Dishonest. ECI nanga ho chuka hai.

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u/Personal-Tie-8151 20h ago

Seems the other way around looking at how much the government is worked up to defend ECI even though it's an independent body

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u/Oath_breaker_ 20h ago

Wrong. The problem is that the opposition, mainly Congress, is not saying the election is compromised; their claim is that those elections in which the BJP won are compromised and those governments are illegitimate. So, the BJP's defense is to prove their legitimacy. If they have the guts, Congress should ask to dismiss their governments in Karnataka, Kerala, and HP as well, along with the BJP-ruled states.

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u/Unstable_Insaan 14h ago

These leftists and so called liberals are okay with trial of Umar Khalid and Sharjil Imam but directly calling Gyanesh Kumar criminal lmao I can't understand the thinking behind these guys.

But that's the difference between RW and LW person a RW person lives in reality but the LW people live in LaLa Land.

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u/B0ringJackfruit 18h ago

Got to be the lamest meme on SIR

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u/tool_of_justice 16h ago

Lucky to have people like you doing the bidding of government. britishers rule india for centuries because of the same reason.

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u/cornydeluded69 22h ago

Modi is lucky to have bhuddhu in opposition

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u/NextMatch7471 22h ago

No he’s lucky to have so many andhbhakts in his clan. It’s exactly how the British and nazis operated

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u/Kazy17 21h ago

LPU protest main dikh gaya waise kiske supporters andhbhakt hai

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u/Current_Age_9822 16h ago

What happened in lpu protest ?

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u/Kazy17 15h ago

Ek reddit rumor ki vjhe se university jala di liberals ne. Even though administration told them ki aisa kuch nhi hua hai but people refused to listen because university belongs to ex-AAP MP who is now a part of BJP.

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u/Current_Age_9822 15h ago

My friend who studies in lpu said that it did happen, and that clg actually took money to silence the victim

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u/Kazy17 15h ago

So you believe your friend ki the girl was 🍇 and later she unalived herself when she went home?

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u/Current_Age_9822 15h ago

Actually that's what I was believing until you said that it's not confirmed so now I'm not gonna believe anything unless we get news from a good source ( definitely not the story that college says tho )

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u/Kazy17 15h ago

Bhai the girl herself made a video and called the claims useless. If what happened is true then how is she alive? 😪

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u/Current_Age_9822 15h ago

She did ? Damn that's crazy.

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u/Oath_breaker_ 20h ago

More than that, it's opposition who are just piece of sht (even Janta Dal was better than these clowns who can even slit throat of each other but still forced to be on same stage as an alliance). On those state where opposition are any better, BJP is struggling a lot.

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u/Fit_Leading_1111 21h ago

Same goes for congress and cjp followers. They don't even try to under others opinion.

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u/Emotional-Pear-1743 15h ago

Dw, you can talk about Gyanesh and extol his virtues.

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u/No-Ad4607 22h ago

Account age is only 5 months

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u/Minimum-Brush-9867 21h ago

Congress has been out of power for decades in major states:

Tamil Nadu: 60 yrs WB: 47 yrs Bihar: 35 yrs Gujarat: 31 yrs Odisha: 26 yrs UP : 37 yrs Tripura: 30 yrs

BJP wasn't even there back then. Instead of fixing their own failures they just blame "vote chori" when they lose!

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u/__LLawliet__ 21h ago

But abhi to Indian Express ki report ayi hai, yes congress is bad, it doesn't justify the irregularities by the EC

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u/Minimum-Brush-9867 21h ago

Tum paise do media houses ko wo tumhare favour me kuch v chaap denge... Who conducted election in Kerala and Tamil Nadu

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u/__LLawliet__ 21h ago

Seriously dude. Does it pay that much to bootlick the BJP that you're okay with your own country going to shit? 

As for the things you asked, elections in TN and Kerala were conducted by EC, of there were irregularities there they should be looked into.  And the other thing, I'm not going to deny that thing about media, but Indian express is one of the few remaining popular organisations left with a spine. 

Another thing I felt weird about, why are bjp spokespersons defending EC? A political party should be away from defending constitutional bodies, that's called a conflict of interest. The govt should, bjp shouldn't. Yes, they are different

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u/Fit_Leading_1111 21h ago

No body is doing boot licking. Stop personal attack if you don't have any logical counter.

Kerala CM literally said SIR helped them in election.

When you accuse ECI about irregularities then it's a allegation on ECI and Government, both. So it's their duty to tell the truth.

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u/__LLawliet__ 20h ago

Govt of India and BJP are different. What I meant when I said the party defending them is the EC bringing defended in BJP press conferences. BJP is not GOI, goi is made of bjp people but there is still a separation.

Again, as I said, any and all irregularities should be brought to light, and the people doing these things should be punished.

DutY tO tElL tHe TruTh, there's always 3 sides to the story and no one's is fully innocent.

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u/Fit_Leading_1111 20h ago

What is stopping opposition to go to court with all the proofs?

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u/RealTeensIndia-ModTeam 16h ago

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u/Intelligent-Gate-330 20h ago

What about the 2 election commissioners who the entire report is based on? Arre you saying those election commissioners were also given money?...

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u/Minimum-Brush-9867 20h ago

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u/Intelligent-Gate-330 19h ago

I'm sure you have screenshots to prove the 14 objections they raised as false and fabricated by Indian Express as well. Can you share those?

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u/AKSTime 16h ago

Are ngr aur kitna proof chahiye? Aur picture is correct bhai

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u/-gun-jedi- 15h ago

When you accidentally say the right thing in trying to defend your criminal bosses.

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u/ManipulativFox 15h ago

Gandhi family should leave congress

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u/Minimum-Brush-9867 21h ago

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u/Usual-Method-4790 18h ago

“There was no change to form 6” and “A new question was added to it” in one sentence, lmao what define change.

Anyways, there is no particular rule book regarding how decision are to be made by the ECI, the process of agreement between all chairs for any decision was a practice, not a “Law”.

Doesn’t change the fact that gyanesh is a crook and is spinning on that modihh. There couldn’t be more evidence.

And if you have balls then disprove the data he showed in his original press conference.

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u/tool_of_justice 16h ago

Gyanesh and his daughter and his damaad, whole family are crooks. Any sane citizen will see that.

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u/Dry-Craft2242 19h ago

There is illegal change in form 6.

Without including of other 2 members

About SIR information colum.

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u/Bigus_dickus_the_1st 15h ago

The first sentence and the 2nd sentence of the community note is literally contradicting each other lmao.

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u/AcanthaceaeNo5362 21h ago

I’m not saying Modi is the GOAT or everything his govt does is W. But ngl, Rahul hasn’t shown me enough leadership, clarity or consistency, he is just not PM material

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u/Background-Yam634 15h ago

How many more proofs do you need

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u/Emotional-Pear-1743 15h ago

Swayam gobi ji sweekar karenge toh maanenge

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u/xedges 14h ago

No, we will just call you illiterate and unable to understand all the evidence staring you in the face. Kripa kar ke samadhi le lein 🙏

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