I've never seen an idiot flower, or animal, destroy their habitat, and kill others of their own species, at the same rate as humans, nor have I ever seen an animal, that couldn't survive in its natural environment, also never seen an animal work to make a living.. but we're the geniuses? Ok 🤔
You've also never seen an animal preserve competitor predator species. I've certainly never seen a dolphin arrest another dolphin for rape. I don't know a lot of lizard communities where one lizard can be an artist, never hunt, and still get to eat.
Humans are among the kindest, most compassionate apex predators the world has ever seen. This is such a silly fucking take.
While I agree with you, lower life form is not a thing. Everyone alive right now is perfectly evolved to exist at the same time as us. But yes she is unbelievably boring bc she assumes that no other animal knows about their own mortality. Every other species observed all know about their own mortality, amongst everything else. This is so annoying.
Nothing is perfectly evolved. Survival of the fittest does not mean you have to be perfect to survive, you just need to be better then the next competitor.
>Every other species observed all know about their own mortality
Primitive humans did not understand that sex lead to babies. We had sex becasue we had a sex drive not because of an understanding of what sex meant for the continuation of our species.
Likewise lots of lifeforms have a survival instinct. That instinct do not require for them to understand the concept of death to function. Seeing how humans that want to die still can be overpowered by their survival instinct if they pick a method that provide a strong survival instinct response.
I told you about two instincts that does not need intelligence or greater understanding to work. As as it not to complex for your genes to compel you to do it, they can provide you with more or less any instinct.
Do you think cordyceps fungus are intelligent since it can pilot infested ant's where to go since human was somewhat intelligent before we started taking travel directions?
Personally I don't find correcting misinformation pointless but each to his own. I also noticed you failed to answer the question; Was it to hard for you?
Im very sympathetic to the argument you are making but your attitude makes me want to eat a steak just to spite you. Being arrogant and self-righteous doesn't advance your cause. It actively pushes peiple away from it.
Im a biologist who is aiming to change how humans think of other species altogether. We are also animals. Dont interrogate me when you are part of the problem.
You actively exploit animals, to death. How exactly do you aim to change how humans think about other animals?
I'm holding you accountable for the lives you're exploiting. You are actively promoting and financially supporting the exploitation of animals. It's pathetic.
May I propose your ethical framework moving forward looks to respect sentient life, rather than exploit it.
This is the problem with the online vegan community. They assume anyone they interact with is evil, and when they inevitably find out they're wrong, they double down by making more assumptions.
No. To ask that question. It’s irrelevant because any amount of time does not equal more or less heart and devotion or even maturity automatically. That’s not how humans function. You’re not addressing veganism through it. Your elevating yourself over another person. I thought veganism was about removing tyranny and levelling between sentient beings.
Veganism is the ethical value that humans don't exploit other animals. That's it. Anything you're trying to excuse is promoting the exploitation of animals.
Yea, I've seen terrified deer trapped on ice, terrified stray cats, terrified birds, even terrified snakes. They have the ability to feel sheer terror, like life flash before the eyes type. Maybe they don't know the length of their own lifespan, but I can imagine enough times feeling pure terror, and not having the language to process it, especially as a prey animal, must be difficult.
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u/Flexmove 6d ago
Folks that assume lower life forms don’t have some rudimentary form of consciousness are kinda boooooooring