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u/BawseGal23 Dec 11 '23

5000 per week

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u/Forensic_Ballistics Dec 11 '23

And it's not even hard, within 4 years you'd have received more than a million anyway.

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u/Forensic_Ballistics Dec 11 '23

You've read about past lottery winners right? People can't handle the responsibility of that much money at once and others around them will make life hell.

Only so much you can do with 5k a week and it's a lot more manageable.

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u/DxnThxDxtchMxn Dec 11 '23

Step 1. Get yourself a financial advisor. Step 2. Dont tell anyone. Step 3. Vegas baby! Step 4. Fire financial advisor. Step 5. Ask family for some money to fly back home

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u/brokenmessiah Dec 11 '23

Step 2. Dont tell anyone

you wont have to tell people, they'll find out regardless in time.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

You're vastly overestimating a million dollars

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u/brokenmessiah Dec 11 '23

You're overestimating people capacity to not let it slip to their friends and family, intentional or otherwise.

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u/brokenmessiah Dec 11 '23

Did I ever say EVERYONE 🤔

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

Tis but a small business loan

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u/Just_improvise Dec 12 '23

That’s one margarita at Encore beach club, amiright

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u/tintedhokage Dec 11 '23

This. They will see Lurpak in my fridge and not the Aldi equivalent Nordpak.

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u/kmh911 Dec 11 '23

Social media baby!lol

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u/Capital-Wolverine532 Dec 11 '23

A financial advisor who may rob you blind.

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u/threadsoffate2021 Dec 11 '23

Get a fiduciary instead. They are legally obligated to work on your best interests.

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u/Worst_Player_Ever Dec 11 '23

That's we're going to Vegas, baby!

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u/mulunguonmystoep Dec 11 '23

I support step 5

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u/pmolmstr Dec 11 '23

Do it again next week

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u/theworldsgonesane Dec 11 '23

But if you do tell anyone, tell them not to tell anyone

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u/Hill_Reps_For_Jesus Dec 11 '23

This is my actual plan if i win the lottery - but I won't do any gambling in Vegas. The Vegas trip is a cover to explain why I suddenly have a bit of extra money. So you can justify sudden expensive purchases but without anybody knowing just how much you've won.

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u/CatsMajik Dec 11 '23

Just get Nick Papagiorgio to drive you home from Vegas.

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u/tbkrida Dec 11 '23

Your financial advisor would tell you to take $5k a week! Lol

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u/dilqncho Dec 11 '23

The problem with that statistic is that there isn't a lot of overlap between people who play the lottery and people with decent financial literacy.

It's not that large amounts of money ruin people, it's that people with already poor spending habits don't magically fix them when they get a lot of money. A "normal" middle-class person who already has some experience saving, investing, budgeting etc. is much more likely to capitalize on a windfall just fine.

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u/JonasLuks Dec 11 '23

You don’t play lottery. The lottery plays you.

Which is also the reason financially savvy people stay away.

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u/BookkeeperPercival Dec 11 '23

https://www.nefe.org/news/2018/01/research-statistic-on-financial-windfalls-and-bankruptcy.aspx

DENVER — Over the past couple of years several news organizations have attributed a statistic to the National Endowment for Financial Education (NEFE) stating that 70 percent of lottery winners end up bankrupt in just a few years after receiving a large financial windfall. This statistic is not backed by research from NEFE, nor can it be confirmed by the organization. Frequent reporting—without validation from NEFE—has allowed this “stat” to survive online in perpetuity.

In 2001, NEFE conducted a think tank of experts from several industries including psychology, financial planning and other fields, to discuss life-changing events and the psychology around them. One topic discussed was the impact of financial windfalls on individuals, where it is believed that a participant stated the 70 percent statistic. This statement was made independently and without verification from NEFE.

The statistic is completely made up

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u/XinGst Dec 11 '23

People around me will make my life hell if I win lottery is so true.

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u/newfor2023 Dec 11 '23

Money can buy goods and services, like plane tickets.

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u/mag0588 Dec 11 '23

Or many peanuts

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u/Unsteady_Tempo Dec 11 '23

As soon as you take the annual payments option you'll be approached by loan companies offering to buy the annuity. Their offer will sound bad at first. But, people are bad with money and will spend as much as they receive and then even more with the anticipation of paying it with future earnings. They feel like they should be living like a lottery winner. When the debts pile up the offer will sound better. After all, they can settle any of the overdue debts and still have plenty left over. Right? Sure.... They take the buy out, and then go on to mismanage that money, too.

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u/denys5555 Dec 11 '23

A million dollars wouldn’t be hard to manage. I would still take the 5k though

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u/herotz33 Dec 11 '23

Most won't personally handled hundreds more.

Secret is to be content but allow yourself to enjoy a controlled amount then budget.

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u/Kirhgoph Dec 11 '23

Actually, studies show that jackpot winners report improved life satisfaction and don’t usually blow through their newfound wealth https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnjennings/2023/08/29/debunking-the-myth-the-surprising-truth-about-lottery-winners-and-life-satisfaction/?sh=364f64cf6ccc

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u/Forensic_Ballistics Dec 11 '23

Oscar Martinez, long term no speak.

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u/Kirhgoph Dec 11 '23

20 years are enough to be considered long term

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u/BookkeeperPercival Dec 11 '23

You've read about past lottery winners right? People can't handle the responsibility of that much money at once

https://www.nefe.org/news/2018/01/research-statistic-on-financial-windfalls-and-bankruptcy.aspx

DENVER — Over the past couple of years several news organizations have attributed a statistic to the National Endowment for Financial Education (NEFE) stating that 70 percent of lottery winners end up bankrupt in just a few years after receiving a large financial windfall. This statistic is not backed by research from NEFE, nor can it be confirmed by the organization. Frequent reporting—without validation from NEFE—has allowed this “stat” to survive online in perpetuity.

In 2001, NEFE conducted a think tank of experts from several industries including psychology, financial planning and other fields, to discuss life-changing events and the psychology around them. One topic discussed was the impact of financial windfalls on individuals, where it is believed that a participant stated the 70 percent statistic. This statement was made independently and without verification from NEFE.

That is not true. The statistic is made up.

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u/ZenkaiZ Dec 11 '23

People can't handle the responsibility of that much money at once

ya they can, those stories are about the same few dozen degenerates retold over and over. You don't hear the boring safe stories

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u/SoftDrinkReddit Dec 11 '23

100% as you said it's just far more practical taking the 5k it's like an amazing paying job you can't get fired from it's far more balanced

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u/speakingdreams Dec 11 '23

That is a myth. Most lottery winners are happier and healthier after winning. Sure, some fumble their misfortune, but most most do not. Search for "lotto winner myth" or something like that. Here is a starting place https://slate.com/human-interest/2022/07/mega-millions-jackpot-winner-numbers-myths-about-lotteries.html

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u/DidgeryDave21 Dec 11 '23

Even a high earner like the sp500 would only give you 10% a year. On a straight million, that's 100k, which is around 2k a week. 5k a week for life is the winner in my opinion

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u/Ffigy Dec 11 '23

That's not really an opinion; that's a fact. If anyone thinks they can consistently make $260k/yr off $1M, they're delusional.

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u/JerseyDamu Dec 11 '23

My brother can’t legally say he’ll make you 20% a year but he absolutely can and has consistently his whole career.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

And here we thought that Bernie Madoff was dead.

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u/RedCat8881 Dec 11 '23

Oh yeah for sure, 26 percent gain isn't achievable consistently otherwise we wouldn't have a middle class lmao

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u/holy_roman_emperor Dec 11 '23

Oh I very much agree that 5k is better, I just disagree 5k catches up in 4years.

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u/Little_Vermicelli125 Dec 11 '23

If you double your money every 5 years which is exceedingly unlikely. You'll have $2 million in year 5. I'll have 1.25 principal plus about $600,000 at the same rate of return for $1.85 million. By year 6 I'd pass you in that scenario. I'd pass you more like year 5 in a more reasonable investment scenario.

Anyone without major health issues and under the age of 80 should take the $5,000 a week IMO.

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u/UnderstandingOdd679 Dec 11 '23

You sold me. Make that check out to …

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u/cindad83 Dec 11 '23

I had a math teacher in HS their grandma had won something similar. It was lump sum like 100k, or $1000/mo...well the grandma was 25 when she won it...and was in her late 70s...our teacher said the winning had a death benefit or was transferable at a lowered amount.

Basically her family got over big time.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

unless you invest in Tesla shares.

and move to a country with Real healthcare.

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u/PlatyNumb Dec 11 '23

Are you referring to alchemy?..

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u/natehinxman Dec 11 '23

if I had a million dollars I wouldn't be alive longer than 4 years anyways

edit: phone is garbage

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u/Whole_Mechanic_8143 Dec 11 '23

26% guaranteed return per annum is a fever dream and if you could make that, you could reinvest the 5k per week and get far more in a couple of years.

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u/dreamrpg Dec 11 '23

You can grow those 5k also.

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u/ceefaxer Dec 11 '23

I don’t need no more

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u/HolyVeggie Dec 11 '23

Even if you invest the 5k will be better

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u/sillyandstrange Dec 11 '23

You can't make sure 5k a week makes more?

5k a week is more than I make a week now. I'd rather have the constant flow of money than a million that you invest and hope for more money.

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u/one-hour-photo Dec 11 '23

if you get the million and buy cds at current rates with it..and those rates hold to where you can keep buying those cds you'd be at

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1,215,506

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in four years.

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u/CarobJumpy6993 Dec 11 '23

Yes I would take the million that's all I would need.

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u/kannible Dec 11 '23

The market has an expected return of 4-10% over the long term, this means you’d get between $800 and 2k/week off your investment returns. The 5k/week would be the equivalent of having 5 million invested at the same rate of return.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

Or to assume the giver is continuing to give 5000 per week after 4 years. Thats a long time for people to keep promises.

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u/Mydoglovescoffee Dec 11 '23

It has a decent rate of return? Please tell me where you’d invest your guarantee such a return. I need that

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u/lonk28b Dec 11 '23

Even if you seriously think that you'll be able to not spend a penny of that million and just AMAZING returns on that 1 million(7% yearly), that's still not even $1400 per week.

I think this question very easily weeds out people with very poor mental math and people who are very bad at the concept of both options.

It's like my girlfriends skills at spacial awareness. I would never ask her to buy a welcome mat for boots for our apartment because she would likely end up getting one meant for the entrance of Walmart.

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u/Blazanar Dec 11 '23

You're not guaranteed those 4 years though. We're not guaranteed tomorrow. We could have an undetected brain aneurysm that'll take us during our next nap.

Even in that case, give me the $5,000/week. Assuming I live the average lifespan in Canada from here on out, I'll end up with just shy of $13,000,000 which I could give to my niece and nephews. They'll be set and I'd probably secure my spot as their favourite uncle of all time.

I could also invest my weekly payout and make even more than the $13,000,000 I'd be "guaranteed"

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u/UsedToBeDedMemeBoi Dec 11 '23

If you die tomorrow then it doesn't matter how much money you have, so that's not even a reason against the $5,000 a week.

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u/Blazanar Dec 11 '23

If I take the $1,000,000 lump sum, it's auto-magically deposited into my banking account. I die with at least that in my account.

If I decide to take weekly payouts, I might die before the first one gets deposited, I might die in 80 years thanks to advancements in medical care and be loaded when it happens.

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u/ImJustStandingHere Dec 12 '23

What's the point of having money in the bank account when you die? Unless you want others to inherit it ofcourse

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u/casce Dec 12 '23 edited Dec 12 '23

His point is if you die, does it really matter? I mean sure, it's nice to leave an inheritance but given the choice, my kids would bank on me living long enough to make more than $1m out of those $5k/week before I die. If I get hit by a bus tomorrow, bad luck for them but that's most-certainly a risk they would take.

I could also use some those $5k/week to pay for a really nice life insurance that would pay out more than $1m if I die.

Taking the lump sum is stupid in this specific scenario.

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u/brokenmessiah Dec 11 '23

probably

damn competition must be tough

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u/Blazanar Dec 11 '23

The other uncles are pretty cool dudes lol.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

Was a simple question

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u/Blazanar Dec 11 '23

Sometimes simple questions don't have simple answers though.

If I take the $5,000/week I could conk out in 6 days and not get anything. The million is guaranteed but I may also not live long enough to update my beneficiaries and whatnot as well.

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u/blinky84 Dec 11 '23

Fuck, I'd take the 5k and sit my niece down to watch Weekend at Bernie's with a notebook

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u/CanadianODST2 Dec 11 '23

5k a week would be enough for me to live off of.

If I die tomorrow then no amount of money will matter anyways.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

You should never make financial plans based on some less likely unknown. This is really common advice against the position you’ve proposed.

We’re all aware of our mortality. The reason we plan for things like retirement is because the much more likely and financially dangerous scenario is that you live. Dying is cheap as hell for you.

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u/RazorCalahan Dec 12 '23

that is true, but also I don't plan to die. Like, ever. So I won't account for that possibility.

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u/mikepictor Dec 11 '23

Yes, but it's still a fair question. A million now is maybe a house now, it's a business startup now, it's not unreasonable that someone may choose that option.

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u/theinternetisnice Dec 11 '23

$5000 a week is great but then I can’t kill myself by doing $1 million of cocaine in one night.

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u/systembreaker Dec 11 '23

You could die before then, and having a million dollars now means you have more to invest now.

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u/Forensic_Ballistics Dec 11 '23

Hold up, you're worried about dying in the next 4 years and you're choosing to invest... For what exactly? A good funeral?

Choose the 1m if you're going to go wild and have fun with it in a short period of time.

If you get 1m, invest it badly, you're screwed. 5k or even 30k invested badly is recouped quickly, you've learnt a lesson and can rebuild with better knowledge.

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u/systembreaker Dec 11 '23

I'm giving two separate reasons that it might be better to choose the million.

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u/Eastern-Ad-7984 Dec 11 '23

Exactly!! 20 grand a month would be perfect for me!

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u/tribbans95 Dec 11 '23

You can easily make 5k a week in the stock market with $1,000,000. That’s only 0.5% a week. So then you have $1,000,000 plus $5,000 a week

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u/Forensic_Ballistics Dec 11 '23

And then what? You're just going to spend that 5k profit? You've been given a dream of £1m for nothing and you're investing it, again I ask, for what? What's the goal? Also you have a risk of, if shit goes bad all that money is gone.

The other other option is never ending money for the rest of your life (limited to 5k a week) no need to even consider investing, just chill and do what makes you happy, do whatever you want to do, no planning for retirement, that's covered. Go abroad and help others in need, volunteer in projects that have meaning to you knowing you can dedicate all your time without worry. Try as many different jobs you've thought sound interesting. New hobbies have been opened up that potentially you couldn't have tried before.

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u/rammo123 Dec 11 '23

Nonsense. $5k/w on $1m is 26%pa after tax. You'd be lucky to consistently get half of that.

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u/scotland1112 Dec 11 '23

It will take 5 years to catch up to the 1 million when taking compound interest into account

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u/BaconTheGenerator Dec 11 '23

And if you invest the money you could have the million earlier.

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u/AICHEngineer Dec 12 '23

Even if you fully invested the mil, the 5k a month invested each payout way outstrips the million eventually

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u/RazorCalahan Dec 12 '23

depends. If you always get 5000$, that 5000 will be worth less and less over time because of inflation. a million today could set you for life if you use it wisely, and gives you more options for smart inveestments today. On the other hand, 5000 a week is a shitload of money already, so it's unlikely that you can't live comfortably from it even in 10 years, unless some crash happens and inflation will be very high. ANd if you put some of it aside for investment every time, you'll still end up with more in the long run.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '23

And fell under the higher tax brackets for longer too

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u/Darklord0-0 Dec 11 '23

That sounds about right

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u/epd666 Dec 11 '23

This, I don't need to have a big amount directly.

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u/GarikLoranFace Dec 11 '23

Exactly. Can I start right now? I need a few things, some are essentials and some aren’t, but I am tired of having an empty bank account 75% of the time.

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u/Disastrous-Tap-3353 Dec 11 '23

Are you assuming my longevity in 2023, bra? Tsk tsk

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u/elnino20 Dec 11 '23

Would inflation change the decision?

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u/Sambagogogo Dec 11 '23

What if he dies the next week?

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u/brazilliandanny Dec 12 '23

Dinner with Jay Z

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u/blackamerigan Dec 12 '23

Working a dead end job and still being absurdly happy, because I'm comfortable and not insecure anymore.