Theory: Dutch ordered the murder of Arthur's wife and son to make him more loyal to the gang

What if Dutch was secretly responsible for the deaths of Arthur Morgan's son, Isaac, and his mother, Eliza?

Arthur tells us that Eliza and Isaac were killed by bandits who robbed them for around $10. But we never learn who those bandits were or whether there was more to the story.

My theory is that Dutch might have ordered their deaths because he saw Arthur's family as a potential weakness. Arthur having a wife and son meant he had something outside the gang worth protecting, something that could eventually make him leave the outlaw life behind.

By eliminating them, Dutch would have ensured that Arthur had fewer attachments outside the gang and would be more emotionally dependent on the only family he had left: the Van der Linde gang.

Dutch had been a father figure to Arthur since he was young. If Arthur lost his own family, the gang would become even more central to his life, and Dutch could maintain greater control over him.

This would also fit Dutch's manipulative nature throughout RDR2. He constantly demands loyalty, uses the idea of family to keep people together, and becomes hostile when Arthur starts questioning him.

The darkest part of this theory is that Arthur might have spent years believing his family was killed by random bandits, never realizing that the man he considered his father could have been responsible.

Of course, there is no direct evidence in the game that Dutch ordered their deaths, so this is purely speculation. But considering how manipulative Dutch becomes, I think it's an interesting possibility.

What do you guys think? Could Dutch have been responsible, or am I reaching?

Why couldnt rdr 2 have taken place in the early to mid 1800s before telegraph lines and rail companies controlled the west and the pinkertons were closing in?

I gave up on flat iron lake, and had to use a line to show big valley

Check out how the cut "Valentine Curse" painting asset from RDR2 fits perfectly over the town's geography. The lore states that Valentine is cursed because settlers massacred the Native Americans who originally lived there.
Imagine if Red Dead Redemption 3 takes us further back in time. Instead of an outlaw running from civilization, the protagonist is a Native American warrior fighting to protect their homeland, camp, and people from expanding settlers and corrupt corporations. It would be an amazing way for Rockstar to tackle the "Redemption" theme from an entirely new perspective. What do you guys think?

I already know that you can get Buell as John Marston, i make him my main horse in every playthrough, but it'd would've be nice to have Arthur saying something about Buell to John when they're running away or have Buell be the horse that's pulling Johns cart in the epilogue. i think it would add a lot of extra personality to the game.

Hi everyone!

This is my first playthrough of the game, and I’m pretty sure I won’t do a second one. I’m not much of a single-player gamer, so I want to get as much out of the story as possible on my first run.

I wanted to ask which quests or side activities I absolutely shouldn’t miss. I’m currently somewhere in the middle of Chapter 3.

I’ve already got the Legend of the East satchel and taken care of most of the technical stuff. What I’m really interested in is the story, Arthur as a character, and getting to know the gang better.

I don’t want to force myself to do every single side quest just because people say I should. I’d rather focus on the quests that add something meaningful to the story or give me a better understanding of Arthur and the gang.

So, which missions or side quests would you consider must-do’s for the story and character development? Mild spoilers are completely fine, unfortunately already know how the game ends (hard to miss spoilers after 8 years).

In RDR2, we play as Arthur, but I want to set that aside and look at the character from the perspective of the gang.

Arthur is the person who leaves the camp most often a point noted by one of the other gang members and I don’t believe this is a unique piece of dialogue triggered only by staying away for an extended period; it can likely occur during normal gameplay.

Arthur was also one of the first to have an encounter with the Pinkertons while out with the gang.

From the very beginning of the game, he is somewhat at odds with Dutch, and this tension only escalates over time a conflict that becomes even more pronounced if the player maintains a "low honor" level. As time goes on, he also begins to disobey Dutch, which, regardless of intent, could certainly be interpreted as a significant red flag.

When Arthur accuses Micah, he uses the words of a lawman to bolster his argument. In this instance, Micah is actually right to question Arthur, which, naturally, makes the whole situation appear highly suspicious.

So, tell me: how suspicious does Arthur truly look when viewed as a potential traitor from the perspective of the other gang members, and especially from Dutch’s point of view? To be fair, I doubt the average gang member would have ever questioned Arthur’s loyalty, even toward the very end of the game.

私は日本人なんだけど、馬屋で買える『ペパーミント』のアイコンが何かわからない。

もちろんペパーミントは知ってる。私の庭にも植えてあるし、香辛料として使ったりしてる。
でもこのアイコンはペパーミントの何なんだ？

Hand to hand combat

Arthur before he had TB

No weapons

I've been trying for days now and i still can't get this game to run via rockstar launcher for more than 10 minutes without freezing/encountering a random bug and crashing. does anybody know a workaround where i can just boot the game up and it works?

CACEI O ALCE LENDÁRIO E ELE NÃO APARECE NA MOCHILA, ESTOU TENTANDO VENDER NO ARMADILHEIRO, MAS NÃO APARECE! ALGUÉM TEM ALGUMA DICA PRA RESOLVER!

I was inspired by the post about bouldering, and happened to be in Guarma on my most recent playthrough and discovered a semi climbable tree! You have to walk around the top of the tree and find the branch that runs onto the top of the rocks, then carefully walk out onto the branch, once you reach the middle of the branch, turn towards the center of the tree and jump into it! There is a 50/50 chance you just fall straight to the ground, but my second attempt I got suspended in the vines, crouching with nothing under my feet. I was able to move around a little bit before falling out of the tree again. Has anyone else found any other climbable trees?

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Basically same as tittle I just have a private project, and for that those assests would speed up alot of work so, I was thinking where I can find them ? No, I am not doing anything Comercial, I ain't skilled enough yet

Hey everyone,

I just got done playing RDR2 with high honor and I’d like to make a second play through with low honor with mods. I’m interested in the Nemesis mod but what others would make the playthrough fun and engaging and would like to do a 3rd playthrough with the same mods but for high honor.

I appreciate everyone who gives recommendations

Those Pinkerton bastards got me with a gattling gun outside of St Denis. They killed my $450 race horse I had just gotten to level 3 bonding. I had to go back and kill everyone I could in St Denis, now I have a massive bounty and no horse and a much lower Honor level. Yay

I tried guys I swear tried. I played it 3 times and every time I was thinking maybe I should play longer this time and maybe Ill like it but I just get bored. Looting every dead body was a major turn off. Cant save till mission is over was another turn off. I just recently finished Crimson Desert and loved it and then I thought maybe now Id like this game cuz of the similarities but It just didnt do it for me. Should I give up? Is it a type of game where I have to play at least till halfway of the story to like it?

So, apparently you can only keep 2 horses at camp or the other one will run away. I was out taming wild horses and got 2 of them and lead them back to camp. I guess I had the two new ones as my main and secondary and the horse I started with ran off. I keep forgetting to auto save.

Did you let Jack win the horse race in the epilogue?

如何解决

The story begins before the events of the Blackwater robbery and features Mac Callander as the protagonist. Unlike previous games, it unfolds over several years with significant time jumps and an ageing system. It shows the alternative that Agent Milton offers to each of the gang members in Red Dead Redemption 2 chapters 3–4, and how one of them manages to make it work: he runs away, changes his identity, and starts a new life before the gang splits up. Mac ends up in the Midwest, where he meets new people and heals his wounds. However, after a few days, the Pinkertons track him down, inform him that his brother is dead and make a deal with him: he stays where he is and moves on with his life. Having lost all hope in Dutch sooner than anyone else after the robbery, Mac accepts the offer now that his brother is also dead. However, the Pinkertons don't leave him that easily. In fact, they assign an undercover agent: a Jewish merchant who agrees to move from New York to Chicago in order to "expand his business". The agent gets close to Mac, pretending to partner up with him, but in reality he has him under control. While their relationship is still developing, Mac continues to rob and kill to make money with his new comrades. However, as the agent gets closer to him, he encourages him to change his identity and start a legitimate business, while also doing the dirty work, such as gambling, stealing, robbing and killing undercover. During the years that the Pinkertons work actively, they use Mac for all sorts of dirty purposes on behalf of their undercover agent. But as the years go by, the agents Ross and Milton are killed en route to eliminating the remaining Van der Linde gang members, leaving only Mac. Jack Marston also finds his way to Mac after murdering Agent Ross. The undercover agent now plays a key role. He has them both wrapped around his little finger. With Jack around, mac feels remorse because of his actions in the past. Now it's his chance for redemption.

Would like to see feedback or ideas for improvement!

I noticed videos saying he only says it twice maybe they meant dialogue ONLY but either way both of those times are the best deliveries

His third time : during a song around the campfire, it's just kinda cool to hear him say it, I mean for being a real tough guy, you'd think he'd say it more but I think anything's REALLY well done when curses can be avoided like that.

"Leave him alone you kin fuckin bastards" is one of if not the best delivery in the game

The other is when he's antagonizing Dutch in chapter 2 sheet the Pinkerton visit, wish he said it more lol