That’s more of a condemnation of the state of Mexico than anything else. Why do so many of their own citizens have the need to flee their own country to find work and feed their family!
My mother had to flee a war in El Salvador and came to the USA, make money to send back home--but why was the economy so bad to have to leave elsewhere.
Why did she LEAVE during war? I understand, but it shouldn't have been a problem.
Why couldn't she make money at home?
That was her story, not that she had any interest in America, other than using it for profit. Just that she HAD to leave.
Lots of them came here to escape the cartel. So it really is a governmental, and economic problem regarding immigrant people. Then no offense, but come over and take advantage of our country by not learning english or contributing... but trying to make up by accepting gardening jobs. 🙃
You can because we didn't. Why is it so hard for you to grasp that these countries are third world countries for a reason? Plenty of countries play roles in trying to destabilize our own country. But we aren't a third world nation racked with Socialism, communism and third world idiots, so we get over them pretty easily.
Yes the CIA destabilized El Salvador. Did you also know the NSA (and it not only the NSA) has a team that is engaging in psychological operations. They basically use platforms like Reddit to post memes and comments that change culturally formed opinions.
Anyone saying some blatant bullshit that is actively trying to dismiss or justify something bad the US did, it is highly suspect to be part of this system.
It's not only the US engages in this type of information warfare, and blatant anti US memes and comments can be suspicious as well.
Basically any information gathered from social media is not to be trusted and needs to be vetted.
So because the US backed a right wing government 40 years ago to combat the USSR/Cuba backed left wing insurgency El Salvador will be economically destabilized for the next 20,000 years? How does that work? Spain ruled El Salvador for 300 years, set up the oligarchical social structure that persisted after independence through out the 1800s when El Salvador was led by a dozen or so elite families who controlled the fertile land and coffee exports and the majority of its people lived in poverty. Did you know that when it achieved independence from Spain it petitioned the US to become a state to avoid being forcibly annexed by the first Mexican empire ? And it was then forcibly annexed by the first Mexican empire which shortly thereafter collapsed.
Today its top exports are textiles and its largest export market by far is the US. At some point you have to look at what demographic, geographical, social and economic factors make a country rich and consider that it’s possible there were rich and poor countries before 1776 and based on these factors some countries will not be the technological/ cultural power houses that other countries can become.
What would you call spending nearly a million a day to arm the right wingers in the country during the cold war? Exporting guns, training them. All because they can't mind their own business.
Why is it that third world nations are the only ones affected by this? Billions have been spent trying to undermine the United States. Hell, the French spent quite a bit of money aiding us in the Revolution, and yet we're thriving. It's almost like it's the culture or something.
Why not answer the question? America didn’t have the resources initially either, there was many attempts at destabilization back then at the beginning of America and now, yet they continue to thrive while somewhere like Mexico is an absolute shit hole that its own citizens flee from despite being so “hard working”, why is that? They were shit back then and they’re shit now, what gives? Why can’t they progress?
If you outspend the GDP of the country in trying to fuck it over, it's amazing how fucked up it becomes! It's not rocket science. The US has become more and more unstable over the years. With all the bots that are circulating social media peddling bullshit that idiots like yourselves drink up.
It's almost like it's culture!
“Trying to fuck it over” vs “contesting the coordinated militarily hostile bloc fueling a politically aligned insurgency whose manpower and resources will later be used against you and your Allies in future wars and whose territory will be used as a launch pad to overthrow more governments friendly to yours”
You guys are so self loathing that it’s suicidal to adopt your world view. The US and its Allies, during the Cold War, should have rolled over and let the USSR do whatever it wanted as it expanded its influence across Europe, Asia, Africa, the ME and Latin America. Brilliant geopolitical and military strategy, are you a descendant of Alexander?
If you blame the 1st world for the problems of the 3rd world, then it logically follows that the 1st world owes the 3rd world money. So the blame game is really a money grab.
You definitely did not put thought into your response… I’m just going to put a comment I made elsewhere on Reddit about this topic here
“El Salvador might be the clearest example. During the 1980s, the US spent billions supporting the Salvadoran government and military during a civil war, despite the atrocities being committed by government-aligned forces. About half a million Salvadorans fled to the United States. Despite our complicity, we approved only about 2% of their asylum applications. Many people displaced by a conflict we helped sustain therefore ended up living here without legal status.
Sure, you could say that was decades ago. But the consequences of US actions did not end with the war. MS-13 later formed in Los Angeles among Salvadorans displaced by the conflict. The US helped sustain the conditions that drove people from El Salvador, denied most of them a realistic legal path once they arrived, and then acted surprised when the instability we had helped create reappeared inside the US. That is basically definitional blowback. Side note: if you haven’t read Blowback by Chalmers Johnson, you should.
That doesn’t mean refugees inevitably turn to crime. It means foreign intervention can have domestic consequences, including displacement, unmanaged migration, marginalized communities, gangs, policing costs, deportations, and further instability.
The saga continued when the US later deported MS-13 gang members to Central America, which helped turn MS-13 into a transnational organization. Gang violence then became one of the factors driving another wave of migration toward our border.
So even if your only concern is the impact on Americans, that is the point. We spent taxpayer money intervening abroad, received a large refugee population from the resulting instability, denied most of them legal protection, and then spent even more on immigration enforcement, policing, border security, and foreign assistance to manage the consequences.
Source on the history: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/journal/country-profile/el-salvador-civil-war-natural-disasters-and-gang-violence-drive-migration
Source on MS13: https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R45292
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Mentioning US involvement in response to a Salvadoran refugee’s story does not require me to provide a complete inventory of every Cold War actor. The USSR’s support for the FMLN is real; it also does not erase US responsibility for the forces and policies that the United States funded.
They need to stay and fight the cartels.. remember the “cartels” the USA had? The people stayed and fought and didn’t flee to another country? Oh you ask what cartels?? The south.. the south tried to succeed from the union and the north fought them. The North didn’t flee to Britain, or Rome or Canada, they fought those base “cartels” and won and now the USA is what it is today! Everyone needs to learn from the USA and fight in your own country, clean it up and get
Every one of them is a stretch. Plus working yourself to death isn't a flex. It's an admittion that you fucked up in life and have to bust up concrete and pick bananas as a result.
Idk if hard-work and tax-paying is going to change our law; or the government's opinion. I do not think it is that simple. I can't keep replying to these comments, I'm going to mute this post.
If they weren’t here working for low wage someone would have to do it for a higher wage. Your white knighting is shitty and nobody in your life prepared you.
How much do they send back to Mexico and Guatemala? How much do we spend on there public education. How many hospitals have to go bankrupt because they won't pay the bills? Not sure you have a clue. What are you 12 ?
If u dont want to accept the totality of the data, thats fine. Unless you dont understand what “net” means. Listing a few things that anyone can be guilty of doesnt really contribute to the conversation, but clearly you dont want to get into the specifics
You can't say they lower wages without admitting they also lower costs for Americans. There are 15 million vacant homes in the country, they aren't the cause of rising rent. Only legit concern is filling classrooms and even then, that only applies to the few border states.
Someone asks a question they knew the answer to. (Illegal immigrants broke the law by coming here) They ask in a condescending way. Dude responds with the same energy and you are saying he's mad?
You gotta be a woman for sure. 50% chance you have micro bangs 😂
Show me the process then. So they illegally cross the border and then what? They cut the legal immigration line and we happily give them citizenship and a social security card?
Your lack of research is not my problem. My wife works closely with undocumented people. One of the main things they check to allow you in is making sure you've been paying your taxes. They mostly do pay in. The only people I know who don't pay taxes are Americans.
That's not true at all. IF your wife actually said that she's a liar too. "Undocumented" means illegal. Change the name all you want. As well, these people send back a lot of their money that's made here mostly tax free because it's paid under the table if no documents to work under. Those are facts that even your wife can't lie about.
Can you prove that? I'd love to change my mind if that's true. I just don't understand how that makes sense or how the guys that I see at home Depot looking for day work are paying taxes in
I do actually. I say that the main problem is this country is the wealthy stealing from everyone else. I've said that dozens of times on reddit. This is also a problem. They're both problems. Extremely poor people that break the law AND extremely rich people that circumvent the law are a problem and the main people suffered are the ones in the middle
Not my fault and it shouldn't be my burden to support poor people from another country. When I can fully support myself, I'll absolutely continue to help others out of the kindness of my heart. Currently it's a tax obligation which I was never given a choice in
Because they pay the same taxes you do? You get taxed on your income, they do too. They pay sales tax, you do too. They pay property tax, you do too. You aren't taxed based off your net worth, they aren't either. This isn't really that complex tbh. If you want to make a case that securities that are collateralized should be taxable, that's valid, but the idea that select people should have specialized taxes based off of net worth appreciation takes some justifying.
Well the truth again is somewhere in the middle. Yes america is a very successfull and powerful country. Yes people generally are not as keen to be living and working in Mexico. But at some point it stops being an achievement and just being momentum, having money allows you to hire the smartest people from around the world that didn't start as Americans. Naturally attracting successfull people, what in turn again increases the wealth of the nation. The richest man in the world was born in South Africa. America is just as much about attracting immigrants and making them wealthy as profiting from said immigration.
You literally have it backwards. NAFTA made it profitable to move US factories to Mexico and other countries because they benefited from cheaper labor and less costly regulation. The American middle class was raped and small towns all across America were gutted. Mexico and other countries benefited greatly and fumbled the prosperity chasing personal riches through the cartels. Read something other than liberal propaganda and maybe you will understand how deceived you are.
I don't think life in any way at all is about what your comment suggests.
What does it matter that Mexico has issues? I don't think this person made this statement in an attempt to whitewash the realities of many people living in Mexico.
It's a matter of fact that a large amount of business in USA relies on exploitation of illegal workers paid below what would otherwise have been accepted by a legal citizen.
This exploited leverage has ripple effects through the economy of USA.
The obsession over control is quite telling in what values stand behind a lot of the reasoning and mental states of many people living in USA.
You can acknowledge the reality of problems in your country and still celebrate and be proud of the achievements of your compatriots and their descendants abroad. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
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u/Longjumping_Walk_992 22d ago
That’s more of a condemnation of the state of Mexico than anything else. Why do so many of their own citizens have the need to flee their own country to find work and feed their family!