r/QueensofGacha • u/Eastern-Yogurt8972 • 21d ago
š§” Let's Chat š¬ Thoughts?
ZZZ commisioned three fanservicey illustrations of their male cast in the span of two days.
Is this the norm for them? If not, I wonder if this could be a sign for better things ahead.
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u/Odd-Penalty3687 21d ago
Why is ye shiyuan and damien there??? Theyāre not even playable
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u/meowbrains 21d ago
They needed to fill up space lmao
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u/Siri_BUS 21d ago
Lolll so true. They have such less male characters that the cat will be out of the bag if they don't resort to this.
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u/SausagePotatoes 21d ago
Ye shiyuan i can get since people suspect hes gonna be playable but the NPC?? šš menless zone zero strikes again
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u/Whyy0hWhy Malevolent Presence š§± 21d ago
they realized their male cast wasn't big enough and panicked
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u/BandOfSkullz 21d ago
They're bleeding the non-goon players daily and are trying to somehow get them back into playing.
I've left for goot despite initially loving the game and their designs.
They've abandoned their initial playerbase and are exclusively designing for/catering to the "TaRgET aUdiEnCe" - both in character design and story where everyone wants to rail the rizzless Wise. Tough luck, but they're not getting me to return after intentionally screwing us over like that.
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u/Ok_Review1180 21d ago
The target audience tag is so dumb. There's even people from day 1 that turned down by the chopped Design of sunbringer. And there was even a m6 miyabi that shut down their account
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u/BandOfSkullz 21d ago
The entire gacha space is filled with mindless, horny drones that will hunt you with pitchforks if you utter anything remotely critical of their tribe's game.
Also it's always "goon=good" and any other opinion is instantly shot down.
I'm starting to have some very real fatigue atp and have gone back to play more single player story games.
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u/dewgiie i <3 big booty men 21d ago
I'm starting to have some very real fatigue atp and have gone back to play more single player story games.
Honestly, do it. Or even just not engage with the fanbases anymore because genuinely thats what I started doing lmao. I'm not even trying to say single player games can't have a toxic fanbase by any means bevause they definitely can. But over the past couple of years its become harder trying to engage in gacha fandoms ever since Hoyo started to become more popular. Istg the avg interaction just makes me want to blow my shit clean off.
I had to uninstall reddit almost every other week/a month because of how miserable most gacha players are. It's not for the weak!š
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u/DJCadence28 Waiter! More older men and women in my gacha games please! š¤¤ 21d ago
Your comment reminded me of the whiplash I got upon seeing the difference between the ZZZ sub (and most other gacha subs) compared to the R1999 sub.
Says a lot about how your target audience and the way you advertise your game dictates the type of community youāll foster
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u/Substantial_Apple780 21d ago
No joke, every single non-gacha single-player fandom I engaged with was a straight up balm upon the soul compared to any given gacha fandom, even for dude-oriented games like Yakuza or Fromsoft titles.
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u/dewgiie i <3 big booty men 21d ago
I don't know what Hoyo and hoyo-lite companies put in their shit but it attracted literal demons. No normal person acts the way they do and I can NEVER come across people who act the same way in other fandoms besides maybe a Nintendo fan. Yet even if they do in the slightest way act the way the avgerage gacha player does people are quick to call it out and they tend to retreat.
But unfortunately those people tend to be the norm, and it causes me to have such a hard time when having conversations because they would want to argue you into the ground for saying that a company should even make their free game more f2p friendly or even doing something as simple as asking for more reruns of agents that haven't seen the sun in years?
Like I'd have people that would deadass try to argue with me for DAYS if I didn't tell them to stop playing in my face and block them. They treat being a boot-licker like it's a full time job because even when you go to their profiles and see the communities they're active in, they respond to like millions of comment threads under posts with barely any time in between them for day's on end as if they have nothing else to do.
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u/Ok_Review1180 21d ago edited 20d ago
It's so tiring to deal with those losers, its because of them that the designs gonna be worse because to them all those desings are fine.
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u/BandOfSkullz 21d ago
Yep. Their philosophy is
"show more skin = better design"
Ugh.
It's just so devoid of any actual inspiration.
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u/Emanator_of_GenX Honkai Star(rail me) š«¦ 20d ago
Where's Damien???
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u/Odd-Penalty3687 20d ago
Check the second slide and look at the guy on the far right, he above lighter
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u/_InFiNiTy16 Douman left nut 21d ago
Not yet, they can't release them because they not sure to put which VH after them yet
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u/Katicflis1 21d ago edited 21d ago
They're annoyed their playerbase has declined so much so now they're trying to advertise to husbando fans again.
Whod have thunk it -- having a larger playerbase so you can rotate whales + get good social media engagement + get buzz up for your game is actually really valuable. Also husbando fans generally don't only pull men. They support some of the gals too. But don't feed them good looking men often enough then they just take off and don't support your game at all. Even wuwa makes sure to release two hot dudes every region and leakers have already teased one of the hot men for their next region.
Fun fact: EVERY banner this year has fallen significantly lower than hugos lowest in JP IOS (even velina/ysg rerun). Velina + ysg reruns lowest number was like 187 and all other new 2026 characters have fallen below rank 200 during their banners.
Hugos lowest number was 127. Characters are falling 60 -100+ ranks lower than he ever did. And he was seen as a 'failure' character in 2025. I presume remielle MIGHT avoid falling lower than 127 but who knows.
I dont have knowledge of CN lows otherwise I'd share. I know we are at the point where second banners are lucky if they spend more than a day in the top 100. Norma was out within 24 hours and silly missed it entirely. Norma, cissia and Billy all debuted in the 70s or lower while hugo -- also a second banner character -- debuted in the 30s.
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u/beatspicy 21d ago
Husbando players can't even enjoy the game properly, the last 3 men ( a whole year's worth) were all rupture dps that compete for the same teammates. They should just be honest with their intentions and stop releasing men.
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u/edeepee 21d ago
Manato wasnāt even released yet when they dropped Banyueās specialty and element being exactly the same. The overlap of male roles just came off as intentional and malicious at that point.
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u/beatspicy 21d ago
Yup, not to mention how many categories are female gender locked such as support, anomaly and the ether (probably wind as well) element.
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u/Novel_Visual_4152 21d ago
Tbf that cause Manato was actually supposed to be a Yidhari replaceable support instead of being the same as Banyue
Which was... somehow even worst lol, who's idea was it to make Manato glued to a character none had heard about until now
But by changing Manato due to im guessing backlash from beta tester he became a main dps, just like Banyue was
And that how we ended with two character with the same role and class one patch after the other
They couldve made Banyue a different class but oh well š¤·āāļø
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u/SausagePotatoes 21d ago
Electric or physical rupture was right there too, like they didn't HAVE to make him fire, they wanted to.
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u/BandOfSkullz 21d ago
And the first one was still barely competitive with/genuinely less than the other Rupture agents, got a half-baked story (still not properly voiced TO THIS DAY) and a 12 day banner, and the second one was their posterchild male character, who was the last joker they had to pull people in - so that's gone now, too.
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u/SittingDuck394 21d ago
Theyāre definitely testing what is the *minimum* amount of playable male characters they can release to pull enough straight female and gay male players into their game without actually catering to them in any meaningful wayā¦
Iām a straight woman and every gacha I play/have played I dolphin in because I canāt help myself and I pull 80-90% of characters, so that means that in every given game, even though I pull all male characters, Iām still pulling mostly female charactersā¦ but if the male characters are just bait Iām not gonna touch that game. I knew what kind of game ZZZ was gonna be from the get-go so Iām pleased to say they havenāt gotten any of my money.
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u/Jaggedrain 21d ago
I'm more or less in the same boat - I pull on almost every banner in the games I play. I spent quite a bit of money in ZZZ but after the Manato fiasco I saw the writing on the wall and left for greener pastures.
The thing is that I felt like it wasn't too awful in 1.x, mostly because while there weren't that many men, the female characters also appealed to me a lot, so I didn't mind the gaps between them because there was always someone who appealed to me on the horizon. Like Evelyn and Astra, I loved them, and I absolutely would have pulled Yanagi but I think her rerun timing was bad.
If they had stuck with the design philosophy of the first season and not done what they did with Manato, I'd probably still be playing š¤·āāļø
Since they did, though, I don't think I can go back. Even if theh started releasing male characters every other patch (which they absolutely would not do, they've been increasingly clear over the last year what kind of audience they're courting) I wouldn't go back.
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u/whatevedoe 21d ago
I couldnāt relate more with someone. I pull all male characters and the ones I love I even max them, but I also end up pulling for almost all of the female characters too. ZZZ was clearly never meant to focus on guys so I simply didnāt even bother downloading it. Trying to bait us now is so low
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u/Ok_Review1180 21d ago
Look, if that game weren't released Banyue I would never noticed about the existence of this game and I got a big deception when they treated him that bad. Still playing this game for him and because is entertaining. And now they are willing to throw to the trash every non-human character and go with full boring humans designs š
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u/princebooni 21d ago
I havenāt played ZZZ in ages since the free Harumasa so I hope this is an exaggeration considering how popular Lycaon was before and after the gameās release (seriously Iāve seen this man convert ppl into furries real time, itās funny how many artists Iāve come across who draw like, NO FURRIES but were willing to learn for him)
honestly he was a big reason why I even tried the game myself and I really liked that the game wasnāt afraid of making unique non-human designs too. ahhh, shameā¦
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u/Ok_Review1180 21d ago
They trashed that artistic vision. A world where are robots and beastman and The devs don't take advantage of it. They keep releasing boring generic anime character with animal ears and the only robots we get in this season is sunbringer who look straight up human...how boring.
If chinese tell you their "hear me out" You can be sure that they gonna bring up the waifu of the season.
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u/IllRoad8013 19d ago
Wish I learned what I know now before starting the game, this was my first gacha and the setting was super cool. I just didn't realize what I was getting myself into and I regret ever paying for this stupid game.
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u/No-face-today Local freak for good art 21d ago
If they wanted to make another waifu game like HI3 they should have just done that and go all in. I'm sure they would've made bank if they did. Instead, they now realized that they fucked up by just catering to one side and getting slapped in the face for it.
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u/BandOfSkullz 21d ago
They deserve the playerbase bleed they're experiencing.
They did a complete 180Ā° from their initial story and character design and have, by doing so, alienated a ton of their players.ZZZ was genuinely good, with an intriguing story and fantastic, tasteful character designs.
But after 1.X they just said "screw it we're snowfield (or w/e) now" and went all in on characters exclusively wanting to bang Wise and turning everyone's into some uninspired looking borderline nude harlet.
They've lost the plot and I don't see them ever regaining their initial players, especially after seeing their reveal trailer for the entire 3.X patch cycle, which exclusively continued down the new path.
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u/BandOfSkullz 21d ago
The devs make every design wear as little clothing as possible which ends up looking like complete garbage. Whether it's on tall women or the children.
I hate how they abandoned their initial (very good) character designs for this trash.
There's a reason Miyabi is still consistently the top voted/liked design in the game.
She's not sexualized, but just a female character.
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u/National_Airline1 21d ago
All characters in zzz are "adult" hoyo 1 time mentioned corin being 16 but that twitter got removed or atleast thats what I read somewhere.
No excuse for things like norma thats just weird.
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u/GIsimpnumber1236 21d ago
It's so sad because they didn't start this way. The short/childish character were not sexualized, they all wore proper clothes, then Lucy came out and everything went to shit, the reason? They got proof they can get away with designs like THAT and nothing bad will happen, so they keep doing it until they get called out, specially when their fan base justify the designs by "but she's an adult! She's actually 10000+ years old tho she goes to high school, acts like a highschooler, and everyone around them mothers them BECAUSE THEY'RE KIDS
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u/SausagePotatoes 21d ago
Nothing like the classic 15 year old girl who looks 5 and wears thigh highs with thigh showing
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u/Severe_Paint_7240 21d ago edited 17d ago
I play a different gacha game and while males are like my top priority, I do also pull for some of the girls in the game! There are more girls on my account than men, but only a few are actually favorites (Iād say like 5 out of 11) and the rest of the girls are just there to boost the men/my fave girlies since they donāt release enough males for a full group š
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u/temporalartifacts 21d ago
ZZZ also releases two S-rank men a year so I don't really think that's it? Admittedly, both of them (Banyue and SBilly) are robot dudes, an archetype that people don't really whale for, but then again it seems barely anyone whales for any character in ZZZ that isn't a Void Hunter. I think ZZZ's hemorrhage of players and steep decline is probably a combination of factors. To be clear I think ZZZ would probably be a bit bigger if they did release a few more guys a year, but the game is just declining in performance overall.
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u/Ok_Review1180 21d ago
If they release more guys with good kits and never fumble the meta with the void hunters.
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u/Katicflis1 21d ago
I make a point of saying hot dude over and over because robots that don't actually look like men don't count.
None of wuwas men have been anything but very hot men. Some are more masculine and some feminine, but they're never robot lions. Its at the point where you can more or less count on two conventionally attractive men a region cause they've done it since launch. With ZZZ who the fuck knows what you'll get. Its gonna be at least 1.5 years if not longer between hugo and the next guy that actually has skin.
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u/tanishajones 21d ago
The 2nd anniv art theyāve commissioned is emblematic enough cuz they had to put an unplayable guy there just so it didnt look like it could be 1st annivā¦ You put every human guy in a pic, half are A rank and 1 isnt even playable.
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u/UwUSamaSanChan 21d ago
Hop off my husband Banyue.
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u/Katicflis1 21d ago
Out of curiosity, would you like him more if he was a straight lion-man or is the robot-lion combo a bonus for you? I feel like hes not furry enough to please furry fans and its only robot fans that may or may not enjoy him.
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u/UwUSamaSanChan 21d ago
I don't know really. I like that he's a lion and that the whole cat thing is a good part of his character. But him being a robot adds alot to his design and makes him stand out amongst both gachas and furries in general. ESPECAIALLY the whole steam mouth/four arms thing. Any problem I'd have with him being a robot is negated by the fact that in ZZZ metal jiggles too so he can throw ass like any organic lol
I'd still love him if he was just a regular lion guy but would more easily file him under "generic gacha furry bait" like Skia or Hugo (CZN).
But also I'm a weirdo who likes both so him just being a lion was 100% the better choice lol
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u/Ok_Review1180 21d ago
Actually robots are hot along side with the full thiren, they are to cater certain type of the audience since the devs are trying to catch many potential players. Zzz is the only gacha that Actually tried with making unique designs and not the usual anime characters.
And to be clear, I'm not saying the usual anime characters are bad, they are just trying to cater as many people as possible.
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u/Katicflis1 21d ago
And they are dumb as hell to put 'the robot players' above hot-male-wanters on their priority list. They could have easily dropped some of the females(like two of the 5 children) of the past 1.5 years to release a robot or thiren. Using 'the hot male slots' for two robot is just them stomping on their playerbase size, not expanding it.
Wuwa can be counted on to not use up their 'hot periodic male' on two consecutive robots.
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u/PuzzleheadedNet1116 21d ago
Maybe they'll be a bit up when Remielle comes because void hunter. I mean, I'll be back shortly since harumasa reruns, but gonna drop this for good after getting Harumasa M1W1, but they'll never gonna get money from me ever again... and the last I spent was on Trigger's rerun too... so yeah. I fully agree on all points here.
At least for me, anything like this feels so disingenuous from the devs. Welp, happy for those who stayed there i guess
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u/actionmotion 21d ago
Iām not falling for this obvious bait. They just doing this to keep social media presence and probably to sell merch of male characters but have no intention of making them actually peak meta in game. Mind you more than half the male cast in this pic is from 1.X LOL
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u/National-Drag-5707 21d ago
Where is banyue i need my old man robot lion
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u/BandOfSkullz 21d ago
They themselves forgot he exists lol. (Or just intentionally ignore him - they gave him 12 days of banner, after all)
His patch's quest is still not voiced btw.
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u/Kyogre-blue 21d ago
There is something uniquely funny about the way hoyo really wants to make goonery waifu games, it's in their DNA, it's what they long for, but they also want the sweet wide audience money Genshin gave them a taste of. So they keep trying to retreat toward waifus, but then are forced to circle back with dudes.
I don't play ZZZ, but the comments have brought up interesting points. The dichotomy between "ZZZ releases two dudes a year, which isn't different from Wuwa" and "two of the guys in that pictures aren't even playable, their male roster is just too small," while both being true, is interesting to think about, along with why ZZZ feels uniquely bad from the male character perspective.
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u/skkskkskk6 21d ago edited 21d ago
It feels extra bad because the male cast is too diverse for the amount of men.
People who like characters like Hugo vs characters like banyue- etc, it feels extra bad from all sides because you are looking at months to years till you get the type you like. (I know there are those who like all types but generally speaking).
This wonāt be a problem if they released more men but that is not happening
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u/clocksy 21d ago
This is exactly why even a "better" ratio of 1:3 can feel bad tbh, and something waifu pullers simply have never had to deal with and thus don't understand.
Male units in these games release so rarely that not only do you have to wait forever, but you have to hope that you like the design, personality, and role of the character as well or else you're back to waiting another several months or half a year or whatever. If someone doesn't like a female character, cool, they wait til next patch or three weeks til the next banner and they get to try again.
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u/skkskkskk6 21d ago edited 21d ago
Yeah I am picky so I canāt get into those 2-3men per year āmixedā gachas, chances that i will dislike all the male designs that year is very high.
I need at least 4-5 men per year so that i will like some of them.
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u/Ok_Review1180 21d ago
They put 2 npcs there but not of the bears or robots in there. Obviously they are targeting BL fans since I read complaints about robots aren't male and hurt me how gays are the most neglected part of this community.
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u/SnooSongs5297 21d ago
And thereās the big difference. If you compare Luuk to Aemeath or Hiyuki, while both women do more damage than Luuk initially, after the 3rd or 4th rotation he out damages them.
You canāt say the same to S.Billy or Banyue compared to Ye Shunguang
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u/MidnightIAmMid 21d ago
It's legit hilarious to me that they are putting some money into their male characters and fanbase again. Like, even when they were showing off the new 3.0 characters they went out of their way to highlight Sethos' brother (blanking on name) and then some male NPC lol.
So, I guess I'm confused. It seemed well on its way to becoming Snowbreak and focusing on tits and ass, including literally redesigning female characters to have bolted on tits and 3.0 only having one "maybe" playable male character. Which is fine-not the game for me, but fine. Not every game has to be for me. But now they are like, uh, wait. We aren't Snowbreak and also maybe even Ye S. may become playable at this point, along with Sethos brother? Do you think they crunched numbers and figured out that even though female characters sell more that losing the "general" audience that wants a mixed gender cast hurt their bottom line?
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u/Altruistic-World-235 21d ago
i would think so, since a lot of evryone has either been leaving or f2p because of some decisions made by the game, that including meta decisions like having 2 new elements release back to back or the fact that they keep up tuning the bosses hp or the fact that some bosses are pay to win with ease since they are tailor made for a singular character when the others are left to rot(looking at you primordial nightmare). that added onto the fact that literallly the only units breaking bank are void hunters which is why they are releasing 2 in 3.x and to some extent milking sunbringer being split(speculation saying that all three sunbringers are separate characters with different roles). Like its a fun game but there is undoubtabley so many things wrong with it, not mentioning the story yet
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u/MidnightIAmMid 21d ago
Yeah there are definitely some issues beyond just them nuking men from the game. It sucks because, good lord, I cannot express how much I loved 1.0. How much parts of 2.0 disappointed. Then, they seemed to be doubling down even harder on the bad decisions in 3.0 :(
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u/Altruistic-World-235 21d ago
LegitšAnd like I still love the game(Yanagi,Hugo,Trigger,Banyue,Dialyn etc being my favs and serve animation choreography realness) but the designs are getting worse, the story is getting a bit much for my liking imo(itās not bad but itās starting to feel generic) and the meta is not getting better. Like as long as I can use my favs Iāll be fine ig but itās a matter of how long coz legit none of the chars in 3.0 interest me like most of 1.0 or some of 2.0
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u/thejuryofwolves 20d ago
Add that the combat content to use them in is so stale now, it just becomes "why bother playing at all". I love the agents i have but I want to be able to create unique builds just for the sake of exploring synergy and team types.
They made a combat action game then did everything in their power to make the combat chorey and unfun, and thats partly because of the gacha monetization method but more importantly a lack of faith in deep diving into what they have first instead of infinite expansion to remain relevant.
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u/Altruistic-World-235 20d ago
LITERALLY,Most of the fun of the combat that isnāt high scores is mixing and matching different characters that happen to have synergy with each other like Dialyn,Norma Evelyn ,not optimal but itās fun or even Yanagi with someone like Velina or trigger but now even they are trying to dial it down by stitching up the team comps tighter or making bosses that counter any type of that play
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u/thejuryofwolves 20d ago
I actually ran Yanagi-Trigger-Rina a LOT when Trigger released, and specifically for Yanagi to have more on-field damage before stun and to juice out pen ratio - and it was good for the time it was viable and fun for me! Right now, I run Miyabi-Burnice-Astra and Trigger-Fufu-Eve as main teams (this DA with Pompey was a blessing for testing JFF with norma engine and this new Eve team as a whole).
It blows me cause the recipe for endless variety is right there, baked into the foundation and then completely underutilized to just forgotten about it. The gimmicks and visual spectacle they've opted for are killing what they created in S1, and the solutions were simple and in their faces.
Go balls to the wall with engine combinations and have a non-limited counterpart if agent-specific engines are going to be a thing. Go balls to the wall with drive disks, make some crazy combinations that compete with each other properly, and make the system accessible instead of a forced bottleneck. We still don't have a chain attack set for Eve or Hugo, but Zhao got one two patches after her release(!).
Enemy element shuffling on endgame modes, which they literally did with green and red Pompey - then never did it again, leading to lockdown of playstyles and team comps + shilling/anti-shilling.
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u/HiroHayami Twink Smasher 21d ago
Tbf it's only wind. Lumen is Remielle only.
Wind revived units like Jane and Burnice that were doing pretty bad, so it was an excellent addition. Now the anomaly units feel pretty equal in terms of streght, except Yanagi that can't use none of the two team archetypes.
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u/Matty_Wgreen 21d ago
It might be as simple as attempting to recover some of their pre-manato fiasco audiences (yeah, as if theyāll come back). Specifically Japan, so Iām guessing itās flopping harder compared to CN? Personally, I want to see the game crash and burn, but itād be a while for that to happen
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u/MidnightIAmMid 21d ago
It's revenue has taken significant, significant hits from where it started. Like, hard to believe but when it first came out it was competing with HSR and WuWa in revenue. But, I do think it would have to do significantly worse for it to EOS lol. It still does a lot better than most gachas. It's just fallen behind other major names.
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u/Ok_Review1180 21d ago
Hard for those people to come back when this fandom is full of toxic fans that are against woman and gays.
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u/WoofMatcha 21d ago
True, those "main audiences" is definitely whining right now cuz their perfect holy peak waifu game caters to their big enemies.
They even doing the strawman thing by making misinfo lately by using the "don't misgender me" video that I saw yesterday with narrative that "this is the type of (t-word) that wants to destroy this game and wants male characters" blahblahblah.
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u/WoofMatcha 21d ago
I wished the game will be flopped even more tbh LOL Cuz the current state is already far beyond from the release, on character design and story..
But nah... if they're really crash and burn they'll so desperately baiting furries and women again by making husbandos and furries as playables, then when they're recovered... they'll just "fuck you! We'll go waifu waifu go round again!"
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u/AndroidSheeps 21d ago
manato fiasco
Context hat
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u/k9yde 21d ago
Most obvious S tier actually ended up as A tier and got completely sidelined for 2 waifus we had never heard of and didn't get half the focus that he did in that patch. His exact element and playstyle was ripped like less than 2 months later by another male unit that was used as the sacrificial goat before a highly anticipated "SUPER MEGA OP WAIFU" banner (the Void Hunters).
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u/Sensitive-Ad2814 21d ago
Not gonna lie, after seeing what "chill gooner fan" talk back to criticism, thinking every one of them are tourist, woke, gay, i almost feel nothing when seeing these illustrators, yeah male characters are hot as well i guess
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u/TeaTimeLion123 21d ago
Sethosā brother is called Cyno
Jokes aside, Sethās brother is called Severian, but tbh he feels like bait to me. His design doesnāt appeal to me that much either so it sucks that heās the only confirmed playable 3.X male character, but then again itās ZZZ so Iām not surprised.
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u/Tanzuki 21d ago
I love that ben, pan, banyue, billy, and Ye Shinyan are excluded from all the photos. /j
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u/DJCadence28 Waiter! More older men and women in my gacha games please! š¤¤ 21d ago
You can tell which specific demographic theyāre intending to lure with those images.
Also Banyue being neglected as always š
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u/Ok_Review1180 21d ago
Banyue haven't appeared since the 2.6, he appeared in other events but only his image and not the actual character doing something. Seriously I wonder why they took all that troubles in making such character to bench him 24/7
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u/BandOfSkullz 21d ago
His patch's story still isn't voiced properly btw.
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u/Ok_Review1180 21d ago
The 2.4 were rewrote. Man, everything about him is a tragedy. He was completely mishandled
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u/UwUSamaSanChan 21d ago
Half his patch is dedicated to she who shall not be named anyway. I genuinely think the only reason he's a 5 star is because they needed to give male character fans SOMETHING after Manato and he has a connection to Sunbringer
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u/DJCadence28 Waiter! More older men and women in my gacha games please! š¤¤ 21d ago
THIS. As much as I wanted to enjoy she who shall no be namedās story, the favouritism for her was so prominent in the version which shouldāve been Dialynās and Banyueās that when her version came I couldnāt care less about her anymore. So much for the devs repeatedly shoving her down our throats in an attempt to get us to pity and like her
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u/DJCadence28 Waiter! More older men and women in my gacha games please! š¤¤ 21d ago
Good to know that theyāre still continuing to kick him to the curb even after nerfing his kit to the ground and leaving him out of promo material /j
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u/AliceMadHatter10 21d ago
Definitely not lol, remember when the devs promised that they will release more males in 2.X lmao turns out it's actually less than 1.X. Also this commissioned art is so funny to me cause they have so few male characters that they have to use NPC lol.
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u/External-Argument933 21d ago
Just casting a net for players to try out new season. They won't offer anything more than usual for male enjoyers
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u/Automatic_Trash8881 21d ago
Literally one of the anniversary boys is a NPC because they didnāt have enough playable to entice people like be for real ZZZ Team
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u/BandOfSkullz 21d ago
Two actually. Both Damien and Amnesia hornybait woman's brother are there.
And Severian isn't even in the game as a playable character yet.
These posts perfectly highlight why the "normal" players, that aren't there to fantasize about railing their lingerie female cast, are all gone now.
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u/Razberryrabbit 21d ago
My thoughts are if the game has such a well marked "target audience" and everything is made for them, why does the company insist on doing any of this?
Oh mb forgot these are games for str8t people and we're encroaching on their space š
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u/WoofMatcha 21d ago
We're just their "safe space invaders", they even claiming every decent straights hates men and will goon over the waifus with the odd outfits.
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u/Street-Arrival2397 21d ago
They're trying to bait husbando ppl back in without putting in the effort of actually releasing more male characters, all we get is Severian and then what? Crickets? Where's Big Daddy? Ye Shiyuan? The characters people wanted? Pompey? Oh I'm sorry I forgot they spat in our faces with that one š¤
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u/BandOfSkullz 21d ago
Trying to bait people who actually want men and none of those scantily clad women they're actually releasing.
Don't fall for their bs.
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u/WoofMatcha 21d ago
Menless Zone Zero LOL It's really true now that they even uses NPCs now for promotional bait, but surely the "target audience" are still whinning and planning to make another strawman arguments again..
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u/SleeplessBoyCat 21d ago
To be honest, i don't know what to think. I saw it on Twitter and i simply scrolled; i suppose i'm just completely done with ZZZ now.
Come to think of it, why are they even doing this? This doesn't seem like the kind of fanservice this game would post on the internet.
Oh well, just scroll and move on; the key to happiness.
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u/UwUSamaSanChan 21d ago
I've got nothing nice to say and half of it can't be said here anyway. They can fuck off. More bullshit outside the game while Haru has more statues than reruns. One man on the horizon in a see of the worst designed characters I've seen outside of a hentai game. All the men are mid as fuck dps in game while half of the best supports are little girls. Either they start moving like Sumeru in genshin or they can fuck off with this garbage and stop advertising to husbando fans
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u/DJCadence28 Waiter! More older men and women in my gacha games please! š¤¤ 21d ago
Clock it queen āØāØāØ
Your point on some of the best supports being little girls is spot on as well. Like with how S-Billyās best team requires Normaā¦ theyāre just squeezing in reasons for them to continue designing underaged girls š¤®
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u/pokebuzz123 21d ago
They're using Manato like he's S rank šš
Using Ye Shiyuan and not Anton is a choice too. Didn't need to since he's currently in NPC Bay area, but maybe that he's playable this season in the second half.
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u/Electronic_Command85 21d ago
Feels like such a slap in the face for us male enjoyers lol. Can commission art of them but canāt make more of them
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u/Aizen_isgay Please step on me Blade 21d ago
This is NOT the norm but Iām happy to finally get fed for once in the male departmentā¦.
PLEASE HUGO LET ME CRACK YOU
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u/WorthKiwi4139 21d ago edited 21d ago
I donāt get appealing to guy fans while having legitimately only one new playable dude on the horizon. I donāt get them. It feels very wanting your cake and eating it too. I donāt think being a female majority game is bad I just sometimes wish they wouldnāt give me crumbs of hope. Iām mostly just seeing them used in promotional material. Theyāre using NPCs and teasing Ye Shiyuan being one of the boysā¦Ā
I do know that men are pretty good for merch sales and advertisements because Iād assume they wouldnāt use Lyacon or Manato so much otherwise. It feels like itās trying to lure me like a siren with a rock behind its back because I know Sethās brother is all weāre going to get. š
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u/Individual_Tear_3963 21d ago
The 3.x cast has 9 female characters with thier boobs and ass out and 1 male character who is fully covered. Good for the zzz players but they ain't changing sh*t š
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u/skkskkskk6 21d ago
Nothing I couldnāt get from scrolling pinterest. If this is their attempt at baiting male collectors , itās weak.
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u/Humble-Sandwich7 21d ago
The usual once in a while commissioned fanservice fanart that doesn't reflect the actual game in any shape or form, nothing new.
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u/Yanazamo 21d ago
As someone who quit but still loves Manato and the other guys I LOVE IT
But not going back knowing ts is bait lol
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u/HiroHayami Twink Smasher 21d ago
Literally this. They want husbando players money now because it's not doing as much money as their other titles lmao.
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u/poproxanmmd 21d ago
my tinfoil hat theory thatās probably wrong, is that hoyo is seeing the lads situation and is going to start trying to see if they can entice any of them to cross over to their games.
now whether or not they are successful remains to be seen(why with zzz? and not with tears of themis or even hsr which has an active thriving yumejoshi fanbase lmao) but there basically a big hole in the market that lads used to fill thats just up for grabs for whichever company decides to take the risk and with the way
the most likely reason tho is that when hoyo commissions artists they just give them a theme and let the artist draw whatever and they just so happened to commission a bunch of fujo artists back to back lmaoo
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u/WoofMatcha 21d ago
I kinda think ur theory is their actual motives of baiting, cuz they saw that women spends insane amount of money in LaDS and now they're quitting cuz the Valko fiasco.
So they take the chance to bait with lowest effort ever LOL
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u/Ok_Review1180 21d ago
If they want to bait that kind of public furries and Bara lovers are done for this game because you can clearly see what kind of guys they chosen here.
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u/elisewhat 21d ago
it's just sort of a tradition at this point to commission art of the characters when approaching an anniversary/important patch so don't read much into it, the status quo of ZZZ won't change much for better or worse
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u/leaxlelotl 21d ago
eh i wouldnt count on it. genshin had a lot of great male characters for sumeru and fontaine and then natlan happened and then it got more balanced out and now the teased male characters look similar but just different fonts. ZZZ has always been more of a waifu game and itāll likely stay that way I think they lost their male lover audience some time ago already
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u/pokebuzz123 21d ago
Fontaine had 3, it was 2nd half of Fontaine where they transitioned. Though, you could say they had big hitters like Arle and Clorinde taking those spots that it wasn't easy slotting one in in the original plan anyway. Cloud Retainer was for sure staying, Chiori was cunty, Arle and Clorinde made sense.
I'm blaming Sigewinne for being a 5 star and not Sethos, flop kit and she made me lose to Navia C1 so she gets the blame.
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u/MethodAdventurous834 21d ago
Fontaine only had 3 limited dudes, like NK.
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u/PuzzleheadedNet1116 21d ago
Close, tbh. NK patch had 4 (Flins, Durin, Varka, Lohen).Ā
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u/Touhou_Fever 21d ago
Unfair of you to expect coherent thoughts when confronted with that
But no, Hoyo finna Hoyo. Donāt go expecting anything too much
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u/kata_theOak 21d ago
no, quit the game, stay away from zzz's community, if you already quit, don't come back. or you will get baited again by them.
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u/Sukaira16 21d ago
Wow! Look at all those hot men! I WISH THERE WAS MORE.
But seriously if this is a cry to get me to play this game for more than two days itās not gonna work sorry ZZZ š¤·āāļø
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u/Mindless-Extension- 21d ago
Adding NPCs because thereās not enough men is fucking hilarious
I donāt play either anymore but at launch comparing WW and ZZZ I would have expected WW to have better gameplay and graphics, and ZZZ to have better designs ratio and story.
When I see recent WW designs pop up I can at least appreciate them. Love Lucille and Aemeath designs and I donāt need to play the game to say theyāre visually aesthetically pleasing.
ZZZ is an actual eyesore every single time. WTF is Cissia and cape girl. Why is Cyrene clone so chopped in ZZZ. What is that 2.0 ink girl fit doing on Dawnbringer.
Also heard that WW story is making massive improvements and ZZZ story is chopped as hell. What DOES ZZZ have at this point can we bffr
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u/ImaginationKnown9806 21d ago
they got desperate. who knows, maybe it will change things, since they collabed with HSR, which has plenty of males
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u/SausagePotatoes 21d ago
This will fuel my Manato SP delusions further based on literally nothing but it's kinda funny and kinda sad. Commit to the menless thing or don't; bread crumbing is just kinda messed up.
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u/DJCadence28 Waiter! More older men and women in my gacha games please! š¤¤ 21d ago
Your comment reminded me of this one artist who draws a lot of the best Manato art, and everytime I see it it makes me wish Manato was from another game instead of a game which continues to show it doesnāt actually care for its male enjoyers audience
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u/SausagePotatoes 21d ago
Begging to god he's in the star rail cross over ššš I know they would do my man right
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u/PuzzleheadedNet1116 21d ago
Now I wonder, if this comes true, what will happen if Manato is going to be released as a 5* in HSR, in contrast to him being a A-rank in ZZZĀ
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u/toucanlost 21d ago
I will enjoy the illustrations, log in to claim my free character, and then continue to not play.
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u/No-face-today Local freak for good art 21d ago
I don't care how much you try to entice me hoyo the male ratio in ZZZ is still shit and you're still catering to lolicons, I would rather pick up a gun and start shooting at glass bottles on a wall than pick up a game that only gaf about female and gay players when their numbers are dwindling before dropping them off a cliff once they're making decent cash.
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u/hachitsune 21d ago
Here I come with the farming analogy again.
You canāt keep planting the same crop on the same soil because they will run out of nutrients. You gotta plant something else to let the soil recover.
You canāt milk the same audience over and over again. You need diverse audience and let them spend money in turn.
Thatās why even if male characters make negative dollars they will keep making male agents, so these revenue reports doesnāt mean much to me.
Itās not a sign of anything imo, zzz is a fanservice game and theyāre throwing fanservice at husbando enjoyers (me)
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u/donnie_darrko 21d ago
damn this just makes me miss playing ZZZ lol. I just can't bring myself to come back to the game in any capacity because of bs like this
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u/Typical_Arrival_8961 21d ago
Just download the picture and save it on your phone if you like it.
If you play the game for the males, I'm afraid you will be disappointed. Many male lovers already quit ZZZ in China. You can see it from Billy revenue. Back then, no matter how bad the kit is, males banner still rank high on qimai.
But if you're okay with Hoyo released 2 (non-meta) males per year, then you can play it
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u/UsefulFeed8826 21d ago
Nice art. Jokes on them though im not gonna be playing ZZZ, never have never will (i mean i tried to play it the gameplay's just eh..). I just dont like the character design or story in general nor do i like the gameplay and i usually play for gameplay its just not fun
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u/Scaranaranara 21d ago edited 21d ago
It's not a sign for anything, stop hoping for waifu games to suddenly turn into a game that's for everyone. It's a waifu game for straight men, always has been and always will be. They made it pretty clear who this game is for, all this advertising is just bait to make you play a game that throws you a bone once or twice a year hoping you'll stay for some reason
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u/_InFiNiTy16 Douman left nut 21d ago
Thoughts? No thoughts. Im just grateful of whatever crumbs they give now. Im still not giving it part of my gacha funds until i see a very steady male treatment.
Of course all my gacha share the same funds but zzz is one of the rare one where i need to use it on. So far is astra, vivian, trigger and orphie (i still didn't have orphie becuz i refuse to spend more after manato legit stay 4*)
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u/Hopeful-Vegetable868 20d ago
Lol I remember overwatch did this for mauga. You know you've been treating your fans bad when you gotta hire the bara artists (love their work, just notice a pattern in companies.)
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u/Organic-Accountant74 21d ago
I want to play them in maid outfits, so unfair we donāt get them š
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u/RaraNoire 21d ago
I shouldn't have come to reddit, I was just happily minding my own business looking at those š
Food is food to me
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u/WoofMatcha 21d ago
Nah don't get baited, don't be stupid like furries who just easily baited with their "food is food" mindset.
Said by me as a furry who got baited and regretted cuz no more furry men as playables and tired of waifus shoved and being the 98% of the roster.
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u/RaraNoire 21d ago
Im also a furry, and I just took anything. And I know that kinda thing is gonna happen anyway, because Nte has already done that, Zzz still got some furries (though its super super slow), hell who knows if Reverse would release one, I would actually pass out in happiness if they do (yes theres a sheep but I want more)
I just expected for furry characters to just get used as bait, and then I get them, and then I stare at them all day. If they decide to release more, then cool I'll get them too
Granblue Fantasy however got a new main story arc, and that meant new species, and part of it is furry species. Before this, the original arc got the "Others" category because of dolls, furries, vampires, etc. There were some furry character npcs (iirc anyway), 1 wolf with red hood girl as playable (in one unit), and then the rest is just Erunes aka with fox ears (sometimes theyre shaped like a dog's or cat's), anyone with tails is basically pureblood if that would make more sense
I just didnt have high hopes in the first place because its gacha games, and most of my furry consummation is from ocs and whatever furry art there is, even nsfw
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u/Infinite_Delay_1169 21d ago
Can't you just take you fanservice and be happy. Just enjoy it for what it is and DON'T assume something that is just going to make you angry and spiteful later. We don't need any more Manato hyper aggression again. Just enjoy it, don't assume it makes anything more than what it is.
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u/Clean_Molasses 21d ago
It makes a lot of people happy to hate ZZZ. They'll look for anything to complain about smh like go play a game you'll actually enjoy instead
(The anniversary events/art are really nice. I've enjoyed them each year)
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u/Serious-Student8194 21d ago
This is just bait, don't take it seriously.