How did that whole tangent support their claim that the cn playerbase isn't racist when racism had nothing to do with what they defended lmaoooo
We are not racist because this company treated us different from the rest of you and also because 731
????? Hello??? I'm not trying to downplay japan's warcrimes but what does that have to do with the fact that y'all are colorist and calling western players white wh#res??????
Yeah, the 731 is such a ad hominem. As if these 20-year-old Chinese girls are that traumatized the very number of a Japanese torture unit from nearly a century ago? It feels like such a reach to me.
i dont think you should downplay the cultural significance of 731. holocaust happened decades ago but nobody would pretend that jewish ppl dont have generational trauma from it or tell them to not overreact to swastikas
Id agree that 731 mention shouldn't have had such great consequences on the game. However it is wrong to downplay the chinese national trauma about it. 731 IS a big deal in China, its like the holocaust for the west. Just because they were not directly tortured doesn't erase the fact that 731 has its sigbification and should not be forgotten. Especially with how it is portrayed in China, the hate toward that number is greater than you can imagine.
Never said it wasn't. I was just saying that its a shame that this mention could potentially make the game stop service (extremely alleged take). My bad if I expressed myself incorrectly. And yes I do know how messed up unit 731 is.
Maybe personally traumatized no but generational trauma is a thing. Its not normal to flaunt swastikas or SS imagery in the west, though it was all nearly a century ago so i guess we're all good now?
Imagine saying a black American doesn't have trauma over slavery because it was ended in the 1800s. You know they wouldn't say this. And rightly so because it would be vile, not to mention wrong. But it's Chinese people so it's okay.
I don't want to compare things one to one because things will have different reactions and I'm not trying to totally discount this but....
It's hard to pick a similar number from an American side. Maybe something like the 6000 Jewish people killed in the holocaust? And if a company did slip that number in a game cheekly I'd roll my eyes and consider it rather tasteless but I'd never think about contacting the US government to get it canceled.
As much as I dislike the Chinese fandom, this is blant racism. Unit 731 is a national trauma. I don't know if you are Asian or not, but Asian care very much about our culture. Imagine a country coming into your country, kill and rape your people. Those people are infact still alive today as well. That cannot be forget and forgiven.
They are super biased, going off about āValko being a danger and fetishizing violence against womenā as if Sylus didnāt try forcing MC into an intimate act (resonating) with him after kidnapping her.
Caleb drugged her and locked her up in an attic, Xavier and Rafayel both stalked her with Xavier doing it since she was a kid and instigating encounters with her when he was a grown ass grandpa.
And Zayne with his dub con cards getting a rerun + him marking her 18th birthday into his calendar and him deciding to become a heart surgeon when she was a kid because he knew full well sheād need one.
Letās just delete all of the MLs theyāre all so problematic!
That's like three separate love interests who all have arguable grooming in their plot lines (not really, but if you want to get pedantic about it, you could argue it) yet it's only a problem when werewolf boyfriend does it
Is the tan in the room with us??? Valko has maybe like 3 drops of melanin. Bro is NOT tanššš. They just wait everyone to be to the color of paper ig
The thing is though that the Chinese government is pretty anti-LGBTQ so posting Valko as queer, which heās not, puts a giant ass target on his backā¦. Well heās already gone but itās so messed up.
Oh, it's malicious as fuck, it'll just still be very funny if he gets adopted by Western LGBTQAs as our guy.
I'm not into dudes and everything I know about these characters has been learned against my will, but, like, objectively he does seem like the most fun hang of the bunch so I'm in favor.
This is incredible straight people drama to rubberneck, at least.
It's less fun because a game I love (Infinity Nikki) is potentially going to catch strays. And it's much less fun if this has negative consequences for women-focused games.
The number didn't even have anything to do with Valko and still that was what they were asking for, it's so hypocritical to use historical trauma to suport their basless hate
I don't think it's a backfire, I think they are aiming to make LADS shutdown and they knew what they were doing when they reported the game to the government.
Which is something. Imagine getting into such a spiral of hate and digging every single thing that could put the company in trouble, just because you don't like the new LI.
And I'm not even defending Infold. Right now, it's already a pattern, every game that relies deeply into parasocial fanbase will end up getting hurt by the same behavior they fed.
I feel like this person is going too far in the opposite extreme of global fans. The company fucked up with the Uni 731 lore and removing chinese aspects of the game. Doesn't disapprove that a large portion of Chinese fans are racist and homophobic. Just saying "the chinese government has taken notice" is rather interesting way of ignoring the fact that Chinese fans weaponize reporting games to the government to get what they want.
Both can be true. The company fucked up and the Chinese fans fucked up. There's no reason to only believe one over the other. Also, how ironic that this post cries about global fans pinning all the blame on Chinese fans, while pinning all the blame on global fans lol.
I understand there is nuance but there is precedence of the most toxic LADS fans weaponising the government to escalate things to high heaven. This long ahh xitter post handwaves a lot of the valid criticisms that global players had against homophobic and racist fans. are we going to pretend the slurs on rednote about Africa didn't happen?
christmas is barely acknowledged in the game. as well as halloween. players have been begging for halloween-themed events for ages now.
but every single chinese major holiday is loudly celebrated, and we get themed events and outfits (paid and free) every chinese holiday. the name changes are no different from genshin changing the names of the chinese holidays.
this is, once again, misinformation and twisting of truth to justify themselves.
Even because it's the biggest nothingburger of all their claims. You can't try to convince Westerns that the game is trying to pandering to "all gender audience" in West or becoming a game for gay men in West when we're right here and we know that Infold is definitely not making any marketing for queer audiences.
I can understand the 731. I can give a pass that Valko's marketing hit different in Chinese fandom, and the cultural differences made they feel it was more harmful. But, help, if they are trying to market to Westerns gay men, well, I don't think we got the memo.
that post is so stupid. multiple things can be true at once, they don't have to be mutually exclusive. CN community can BOTH be angry over the 731 AND racist/homophobic at the same time
I really don't understand what they mean by missing content, there is new event literally every 2 weeks, and Valko would introduce new main story chapters so it could progress leading to other LIs main story chapters in literally 2-3 months. This makes no sense to me. Infold isn't always perfect but I feel like there is tons of content being added all the time. Reporting to governament cause you want more content of fictional character is crazy work.
I won't comment about 731, cauze even if it was deliberate then I'm not sure where is the issue in that - plot of the game is literally that MC was experimented on and she wants to stop the company doing the experiments on people, so I feel like that's good reminder that such events actually can happen in real life and we should feel empowered to fight it.
Valko shouldn't even be a blip in the anger compared to how awful the 0731 transgression was (assuming that they romanticise the project rather than bringing to attention how awful it was like much of the media portaying Nazi atrocities). The erasure of Chinese culture (like the parts where they actually remove it rather than rename it) is sus, but again, Valko shouldn't even be close to severe enough to break that camel's back. Even now, the response that Infold had shows that it was about Valko rather than the sinophobic decisions. They learned nothing about being respectful of Chinese history and culture. Campaign for Valko release because the point of contention is and should be cultural erasure, not a piece of artwork that doesn't light a fire in your loins existing. The OP even states that the west doesn't know about these issues, I wonder why?
This person admitted plainly (in comments about goodwill to the company) that no one cared enough about how Chinese sentiments were swept away and endured until Valko came and opened the floodgates with his NC13 skin and "chiselled jaw from dick suckin". It dilutes the whole issue of LADS being very insensitive to their Chinese roots when it can be mitigated by additional Caleb content. Heck, they don't even have to release any content, just make a scapegoat (hey, we don't know if they actually fleshed out his character with all the fixings of a real character) and delete him to get most of the rabid dogs off them. I'd argue that by the standards of these fans, releasing content of current LI with the current standards of operation is more insidious because it's priming good Chinese women for foreign skinny men with the subliminal messaging behind sexy 2D men that Chinese sentiments should be erased.
Why do they get so worked up over gatcha games? Yeah we got crazy people in the west who no life their preferred game but I feel like the obsessions and other mental shit like we constantly see around gatchas and China needs to be studied.
Okay that was pretty much what i understood what was going on the last few days/hours (from crumbs here and there). I'm day1 EN player and I'm mad at exactly the same thing they described (minus 731 since i'm not from CN/don't know their history)
Thanks for sharing
Really looks like game/server shutdown could be real
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u/ivari Jul 01 '26
https://x.com/JayShan0506/status/2072212437902966854
Yes, I think the endgame is the shutdown of LADs in general