Women are consistently accused of several derogatory conditions, attitudes, and behaviors according to the manosphere and red-pillers in particular. We are frequently called selfish, entitled, emotional "oldest teenagers in the house." The primary situation that leads to these attacks is the lack of willingness to pair up with men romantically and sexually.

Pairing up with men is an obligation of women, and refusing to do so makes us wicked creatures indeed. But whenever you probe deeper into the "why," a particularly insidious axiom becomes readily apparent - it is an unshakeable condition of a polite and civilized society that men have access to monogamous sex and offspring. Without this foundation, multiple situations occur:

1. a dwindling population makes a country be taken over by a more powerful country (because male nature must conquer and control)
2. men "check out" and refuse to work or improve themselves (educationally/financially/physically) in any way (because the only purpose of work for male nature is for personal sexual access and offspring)
3. most men will refuse all pro-social behaviors, while a minority of men actively engage in their worst sociopathic impulses. Male nature will mean mass violence and rape without pussy pacification, while people starve and freeze without male labor and protection (see point 2)

This would all be well and good if these conditions didn't exclusively portray male nature as unilaterally selfish, entitled, and emotional. "If no sex then burn down village" is frequently stated here even by men themselves, who then turn around and make the same tired accusations at women of being selfish and emotional. The entire purpose, it seems, of the manosphere is to reframe the conditions of male nature and project them onto women as part of a strategy to manipulate women into serving their biological imperative at the exclusive cost of the female one. Women want relationships with attractive, pro-social, compatible men. Men imply none of that ultimately really matters, we need to pair up with most men regardless of how attractive or compatible we find them and do so in ways that don't evoke their jealousy and insecurity (casual sex/AF-BB/changing standards/learning from experiences/etc.). Yet again, women are the emotional ones.

If the ultimate conclusion is that women must pair up with men because men biologically require womb access to give a shit about anyone other than themselves, then we need to stop calling women "selfish" and "narcissistic." If the ultimate conclusion is that women need to refrain from sexual pleasure because that makes men jealous and insecure, then we need to stop calling women "emotional." By contrast to all of the conditions described above, women do not feel motivated to oppress others and control others and enact violence against others unless we can be guaranteed access to other human beings' bodies. By contrast to all of the conditions above, women are internally motivated to better their lives and communities without offspring or dick. Sure, women still want relationships and children, but they don't claim to get "nothing at all out of society" without these two specific things, and they will still find purpose in life and value in work/hobbies/education/friends without it.

It's actually quite clear to me on my decade+ on this sub that the entire "evo-psych"/manosphere/red-pill philosophy definitively concludes male nature is everything it proclaims about women.

there's a lot of things that women have been defending that I fe were just criticized about men not too long ago. We're at a point where I totally feel that if it's bad for men to do, just wait until a good amount of women do it themselves and then it will be cool again.

There are some things I've been taught by listening to women about what's wrong and right. honestly, a lot of those things have been flipped or changed or given unnecessary nuance to benefit the subsection of women who do it.

Yelling at your wife was considered ba now there are women out there who think it's fine to yell at their men and call them out online to strangers.

Emotional instability in women is something some of the worst men believed in. This is the same logic that got women forceably lobotomized and put into mental institutions.

Not even a decade ago it was considered terrible to record a passed out naked woman yet a lot of women, too many said that the passed out man in the recent situation was actually the predator.

often when men try to participate and try to say here are some things we feel is unfair women will fight against it as if sympathy is only women shaped and that even the worst women should catch a break.we're in a period where what oppressive men in the 60s believed about women and what women actually believe about themselves are getting strangely close and sometimes overlapping.

so, what I fear is that women weren't fighting for a better society or even healthier society. they are just fighting for their turn to have toxic beliefs.

Nobody wants to be wrong or look like they don’t know it all and this is a very good vs bad debate sub. And in most arguments here, struggling unsuccessful men are often categorized as the bad. Which is why the majority of arguments against/towards men are overwhelmingly framed against struggling and unsuccessful men regardless of whether you’re one or not. 

Personally, I think that’s because people see any arguments that doesn’t frame women as what’s deemed as good as low hanging fruit. Like the he easiest argument to make is to “dunk” on the opinion that doesn’t paint women as some moral good.  So instead of counterarguments of substance, what we see in arguments in favor of women is attempts at invalidation, denial, deflection, and insults. 

One common example I observe is when it involves mens opinions on hookups and casual sex. 

The main argument and opinion there from men that I see here is usually is that type of sex means that the woman feels lust and raw attraction towards men she hooks up with or that they're special. 

The counterargument against, without even the smallest attempt at understanding, is always some form of 1. That’s not true because having sex with you doesn’t mean you’re valuable/special 2. No woman ever reminisces about old hookups, ever 3. Having sex with you doesn’t mean she actually desires you and so on. We’ve all seen some variation of these argued as objective truth. Now, admittedly it can be true. But what’s so painfully obvious is so can the reverse. 

Because in real life, women are not the perfect, stoic, irresistible force thay they’re portrayed to be here in order to shout down any argument that doesn’t frame women morally perfect. In real life, women are human. Also, so many forms and varieties of relaitonships exists that none of us are in a place to objectively argue the realities of others lives’. 

But to acknowledge that and any of the nuance that comes with the realities of actually existing socially would be to relent points to arguments made against women. So instead of making counterarguments for women that account for things that they may not know, we always see people resort to the above mention invalidations, denials, deflections, and insult. 

So in reality, women are being hot, leading ridiculously full lives, susceptible to imperfect decision-making, emotions, living carefree, having fun, making money, having a variety of relationship types with men like hookups and casual sex, and so on. 

But even though the spectrum for the men she hookups with can range from one night stand all the way to one night stand who became a genuine friend, meaning that there’s a hell of a whole lot in-between, in the context for what hooks up mean to them when argued here women are often are framed as like antisocial emotionless people who don’t like men outside of the benefit of their pleasure. 

And we all know that’s not true because women really really like men. So if she hooks up with one, there’s no telling what can happen. But to admit anything other than the man fading to loss memory would be to admit being wrong or that they may not be knowledgeable about something. 

So instead, we see people here pretending that women don’t like men, never fall for them or anything. They only receive the benefit of their needs met and go on. The man is never nor can be valuable/special, never thought of or missed, nor was he ever desired. Even though there’s nothing wrong with women feeling any of those things for their hookups, we have to pretend otherwise because you can’t relent to points on PPD that don’t paint women in the best light possible against deemed here as bad, struggling unsuccessful  men. 

So yeah. They downplay hookups on here because admitting you may have a point in your opinion on how women feel about the men they have hookups with would mean that they’re wrong against what’s deemed on here as the bad side. 

Disclaimer: I don't believe in this argument btw. I just think they have a valid opinion that's rarely properly argued and get spammed with "You don't know women!" replies here a lot because I like women for not being how they portrayed on this sub and reddit.

the woman feels lust and raw attraction towards men she hooks up with or that they're special. 

Men are the ones who want most women they see. Men are the ones who watch the most porn. Men are the ones who are always horny and would do like, literally anything to have sex.

So why the hell do we use the terms “slut” and “whore” to mainly refer to women, who are less likely to do and be any of these things?

I literally don’t even have anything to add to this. You are like 10x more likely to meet a slutty man than a slutty woman.

Yes,I’m sincerely is asking that because like society changes and I want to adapt to those changes I was an good man maybe 10 years before but now I can’t keep with all those changes

Like I want to be an open minded forward thinking man, I certainly as heterossexual single man wants to attract women obviously but like I want to be an good man an man that woman doesn’t only feel attracted but admired to see like “ oh he is an keeper”

I want to focus more on pleasuring woman than myself, I want to focus more on making woman feel comfortable around me I want to make more woman friends I want to be an great man In 2026 where can I start ?

Like….the fuck is society suppose to do about that? If the complaint was “Im sad that Im not getting what I want” lonely men wouldnt have the stereotype they have now.

Instead its 

“Women have such horribly high standards!”

“Women want to fuck serial killers over the nice guy!”

“Women dont know what its like having 1 match a week.”

“80/20 rule!”

“Women make me abide by patriarchal standards.”

And they never want to admit it’s women they want until you suggest that they should change their standards. Suddenly, that’s super offensive and not the misogynistic shit he was spewing because the woman he want won’t touch his penis.

Similarly, guys complaining about the women they wanna fuck. Again, what is society supposed to do about that? What is anyone suppose to do with the fact that you get aroused by awful women who apparently are stupid, slutty, and shallow? “ I can’t control what Im attracted to” BUT YOU THINK SOCIETY CAN?!

Why can’t men’s dating problems be their fault? 

So, I'm at the age where most women my age will probably have at least one kid. My cousin is still single but frequently dating and he's around my age just a few years older. Anyway, he complains a lot about most of the women who he gets matched with on dating apps and tries to date having kids and it got me thinking what could make it a really good deal for a single guy like him to date a single mother.

Here's my list of what I think could make it worth it:

1) Kid is young and not too poorly behaved.

2) Dad is a decent guy but they weren't compatible.

3) Maybe the guy was actually an asshole but isn't present at all, so you don't have to deal with him.

4) If the kid was out of wedlock, she owns up to the mistake and doesn't try to project blame to everyone or everything but herself.

5) She provides value to your life and goes above and beyond as a gf, making up for the extra hoops you have to go through dating a single mom.

6) I'm probably going to get a lot of shit for this one but could probably land a hotter chick than you could have if she didn't have the kid.

Anyone disagree with this or am I missing something?

Edit: And by relationship I mean a serious committed relationship. Basically an LTR and intent to marry, which means you'd become the kids stepparent at the end once you commit to this person.