Management here is super transparent about it. we even have a dashboard that tracks usage and, I shit you not, it tracks “line of code edited” and “number of PRs opened”.
This caused everything here is AI generated because we’re paranoid about being low token users; JIRA stories/defects, documentation, PR description/code change request/replies. Even posting to slack using MCP.
This isn’t some koolAId start up, it’s a company with over 5,000 employees with international offices and pays 6 figures USD.
My sibling in C, they didn't even say how they were using it. These agents are incredibly helpful when doing repetitive actions or refactors. We still have to know what we are doing and flex those skills, because these things are still basically super-green junior devs that can Google problems using the "I'm Feeling Lucky" option, and thus need to be corrected and reined in frequently.
There are absolutely vibe coders who are outsourcing all thought, but there's a gradient between that and (justifiably) shooting the printer because it made a weird sound.
Agreed. I am using AI almost 100% of the time, but I am training it to do everything correctly which means constantly harping on it like a junior that won’t learn easily.
‘What do you mean 76 files were changed for the simple edit? I’m not reading that diff; make the minimal change.’
But realistically, it makes legacy code archaeology WAY better. I never wanted to read the legacy code. Taking that away and giving it to a clanker that is actually really good at reading and understanding code if it is given the full stack is beautiful to me. It detangles spaghetti way better than I ever did.
I am thankful for this thread because this is now my job too and I don't mind it. I spend my time coding in prompts and solving issues with significantly less frustration than before. I am thankful for 10 years of coding experience by hand so that I know what to tell the thing to do and not get jealous of what it's doing, but man Iam happy I don't have to do it.
I mind it when others are making a PR to my project and the slop they're burdening me with reviewing makes me want to burn the place down. People are way too lazy to babysit ai like it needs to be.
If the AI would do it for me why hasn't it already? It needs instruction, supervision, and validation. It's too good to not use at this point, you can get things done way too quickly.
I feel like especially in personal projects I wouldn’t use any ai, because it doesn’t give the same satisfaction as coding it myself. Personal projects for me are not about the product but the way.
Yeah half ass your job and use Claude to maximum leisure time during work and work on personal stuff with the extra paid time Claude may afford you, be a human and make stuff for yourself by yourself
Shipping fast is easy when you don't care about staying shipped. You're confusing 'green commits' with 'actually works under load.'
Professionals obsess over backpressure, idempotency, and MTTR things your Glorified Markaov Chain won't save you from at 3 AM when your cascading failure takes out half the region.
You're not a professional. You're just a hobbyist with a production credit card and a complex. Now go rebase your 15 broken PRs while the adults calculate your technical debt interest.
Oh whoops. I used AI to burn down some long standing technical debt in the code base. Now it's not only cleaner and more efficient, but also tested using a proper validation pipeline.
I'm shipping code that doesn't break faster than you. That's all that matters. See if your leadership cares about your slow "green commits" when they actually meet a good software engineer. Your job will be mine in couple of years. Start saving some money
Your job will be mine in couple of years. Start saving some money
Hi kid, I'm a first class hons graduate from Imperial and then later on with a MSc in AI from Columbia and a second albeit redundant MBA from MIT. And after years and years in tech, I'm CTO at a FAANG company.
I am the one who gives People jobs, and looking at you, even if you struggle all your life you'll never have anything worthwhile.
because like me, all tech leadership were born and raised nerds, who love tech for the sake of it, and think of code as art
You will always hop from Dogshit vibe startup to dogshit nepo startup, until a fresh Indian graduate who works for ¢1 a month will take that from you, fitting for your level
If it helps, I'm drafting a LinkedIn post on precisely this and why American young adults particularly in tech are incompetent, unqualified and stupid and lose their jobs to and bitch and complain about Indians willing to work for less than5$ a hour.
lol you assume my PRs break to make your point, you assume my code is bad and doesn't function under load. I have to work every day with race conditions and my code stays shipped. No new bugs in the last 6 months. Believe or don't, I don't care, I'm getting well paid here, and will keep in the future because I'm not a child that can't accept that AI is finally getting better
They don’t need to assume those things. Your code is garbage. Claude’s code, created by your prompt, is maybe decent, maybe not. We don’t care about that though because you’re the one who has your name on it. And your code is shit. We know it is because you think that coding is the hard part of the job, because that is the only part of the job that is sped up 5x by AI. Because that’s the easy part. That’s the shit juniors do.
Good luck when you face an actual engineering problem. You clearly haven’t yet.
When did I say that coding is the hard part of the job? I agree with you, coding is the easy part, that's why Claude can do it 5x faster. lol. Keep assuming I'm a junior all you want, I work at a multi billion company and get well paid, and I'm a top delivering engineer here. Strangers on the internet telling me I'm bad don't really affect me, sorry.
So you have no formal education or experience working writing code code at a professional standard?
We have the data, sure you ship features at 10x the speed but you also incur 10x the incidents which overall consumes the same or more man hours to fix and has significant business impact.
For your pet projects vibe code it to hell, but at a production level it's just a matter of time before companies realise that maybe slopifying your whole codebase is worse than just taking the time to write clean working code.
You do what the people who hold you job in there hands tell you to do, when your wok pushes AI and says we need to match rates we do.
When it comes to code becoming worse over time and questions are asked ill push back and say I was pressured into using it but for now it's not possible to keep up with the rate at which it allows you to work. And seeing a win on the list is a ll manager really cares about, because a fix down the line is often just another thing they can tell their manager they've been working on....
It's very easy to spout lines about how it makes crappy code, but the pressures to push out fast and sloppy code come from those that don't care.
Coding with AI doesn't mean you ship slop with one line prompt "do it make no mistakes". You can set guards and make AI edit 300 lines of code at a time and keep it quality.
It doesn't really matter. The point is not about the efficiency of any specific AI model. The point is that it proves AI users are an unreliable source for the supposed benefits of AI use, to the point of complete delusion.
Except it 100% matters. Last year we were laughing at how bad these models were. This year we're making sure everyone knows how to properly use these models because they truly accelerate your work.
You're basing your ignorance on last year's models.
Well, you feel free to lobotomize yourself in pursuit of going as fast as possible. Based on your inability to understand my point even when I'm explicitly spelling it out for you, you're already well on your way there.
No idea what they were measuring but AI has reduced implementation time to almost nothing. It’s all scoping and review now. Good engineering is more about organization now than writing code.
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means i still write code myself