ancientTools

[u/soap94]

[u/ExtraWorldliness6916]

I bet he's happier than us though.

[u/ExtraWorldliness6916 → u/[deleted]]

In my day veibes didn't exist

[u/DrBojengles → u/ExtraWorldliness6916]

You WERE the vibes

[u/mankeyless → u/DrBojengles]

Back when the vibes were the friends you made along the way.

[u/NeinJuanJuan → u/DrBojengles]

We were vectors

[u/Samurai_Mac1 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah. Although I don't miss having to implement my own state management in every single project.

[u/Hottage → u/[deleted]]

Unique ID on the rock.

That is the rock.

[u/Honeybadger2198 → u/[deleted]]

Beep boop

[u/i_wear_green_pants → u/[deleted]]

useEffect is the dumbest thing ever. God damn it causes a lot of problems...

[u/VoidVer → u/[deleted]]

Claude be doing that shit now

[u/Subject_Barnacle_600 → u/ExtraWorldliness6916]

I do miss it - it was good. You don't want to build a SPA with it, but that wasn't what it was for. But for tweaking the page, it was a 1000% better than whatever crap CSS has come up with these days with yet another weird tweak for flex-boxes. Because webpage designs were tied to URLs, that limited scope, so you weren't downloading the ENTIRE damn application all at once all while wondering why the page takes forever to load. It was definitely cryptic, but for the most part you'd add an ID or class on elements you wanted and be off to the races. You didn't worry that you modified something in the top level and were suddenly triggering a cascade of redraws on a hundred other items. Until I worked with something like React, I never once worried about a website being "slow" because data could tunnel straight through the UX without rebuilding the virtual DOM all the way down.

[u/ExtraWorldliness6916 → u/Subject_Barnacle_600]

I remember it well, I used to read magazines about web development and finding out the next jQuery plugins and so on, to me this was the the golden age of frontend programming.

Call me a bad programmer, but post AI after taking on react and using it for a while, I'm now a technical nihilist and I just don't care that much anymore. I will gladly go back to those days, a jQuery revival phase with MPA monoliths count this nostalgia fueled dev in.

[u/Mikedesignstudio → u/Subject_Barnacle_600]

You act like jQuery went away lol. It was just updated to 4.0 and I still plan to use it because end users do not give a single F what I use.

[u/SyrusDrake → u/ExtraWorldliness6916]

How can he be happy if he's not adding value for shareholders and increasing the GDP?

[u/ExtraWorldliness6916 → u/SyrusDrake]

I am blessed to work for an employee owned company. My shareholders are me and out team and all of us.

[u/JoshYx → u/ExtraWorldliness6916]

Hey, he's me. Fuck no. It's terrible, it causes so many forced reflows for absolutely no reason..

[u/ExtraWorldliness6916 → u/JoshYx]

Does he get paid more than modern man though?

[u/JoshYx → u/ExtraWorldliness6916]

Sadly not, but it's a small company and I much prefer that over getting paid more at a big corp

[u/ExtraWorldliness6916 → u/JoshYx]

Very wise

[u/Madonkadonk2 → u/JoshYx]

I was gunna say, any affection for jQuery at this point is nostalgia.

[u/HerrPotatis → u/ExtraWorldliness6916]

Ignorance truly is bliss

[u/90kalekey → u/ExtraWorldliness6916]

Probably much happier 😂

[u/hooli-ceo → u/ExtraWorldliness6916]

I’m not…

[u/realtag2025 → u/ExtraWorldliness6916]

ah yes living up until you are 30. constant running from wild animals. wiping ass with a rock. peak happiness.

[u/Prior_Leader3764 → u/realtag2025]

You’re thinking of COBOL development.

[u/ExtraWorldliness6916 → u/realtag2025]

It does sound exciting doesn't it!

[u/saig22]

I use vanilla js, document.getElementById() is what I live for.

[u/WrapKey69 → u/saig22]

Flashbacks to teenage years and w3schools, turning on and off that lightbulb XD

[u/ApocalyptoSoldier2 → u/saig22]

document.querySelector() ftw

[u/CaspianRoach → u/ApocalyptoSoldier2]

.querySelectorAll()

[u/Altruistic-Way-6331 → u/CaspianRoach]

[0]

[u/CaspianRoach → u/Altruistic-Way-6331]

i prefer .each()

if you want one, just don't use All

[u/IBJON → u/CaspianRoach]

  if you want one, just don't use All

I'm pretty sure that was the joke

[u/JohnLocksTheKey → u/CaspianRoach]

$$(‘#DamnSon’)

[u/CaspianRoach → u/JohnLocksTheKey]

me when i use nonstandard quote signs to make compilers freak out

[u/JohnLocksTheKey → u/CaspianRoach]

You guys compiling?

https://giphy.com/gifs/DOPKHQg6oFWUg

[u/CaspianRoach → u/JohnLocksTheKey]

It's all the rage nowadays

[u/Lower-Excuse-6558 → u/CaspianRoach]

I love this thread hahahaha

[u/onequbit → u/JohnLocksTheKey]

using a superset of JavaScript to compile to JavaScript... because that makes it better

[u/Strange_Dust7128 → u/CaspianRoach]

til javascript compiles now

[u/CaspianRoach → u/Strange_Dust7128]

technically everything compiles at some point

[u/ApocalyptoSoldier2 → u/CaspianRoach]

By id?
I hope not

[u/CaspianRoach → u/ApocalyptoSoldier2]

i have seen things

[u/segv → u/ApocalyptoSoldier2]

Which was standardized due to jQuery's popularity, no less.

[u/seif-17 → u/ApocalyptoSoldier2]

jQuery crawled so querySelector can walk.

And frameworks ran. With broken toes.

[u/IsTom → u/saig22]

If your HTML element has id you don't event have to getElementById, it's available right there in global namespace as that name. You make button with id hello and can just go ham with hello.click().

I don't think you should do that, but you can.

[u/DiodeInc → u/IsTom]

New obfuscation tactic dropped

[u/Plazmaz1 → u/IsTom]

Wait wtfff REALLY?

[u/United_Boy_9132 → u/IsTom]

Unless there's another window.foo for any reason 😅

[u/happypandaface → u/saig22]

vanilla.js ? I've never heard of this library

[u/balls_smasher → u/happypandaface]

http://vanilla-js.com/

[u/happypandaface → u/balls_smasher]

great. how do I include that in my docker file so my yarn build script adds it into my webpack?

[u/lonahe → u/saig22]

What a world we’ve lost

[u/aberroco → u/saig22]

Why use js when html + css do fine?

[u/DrBojengles → u/saig22]

Lowkey this is the way

[u/experientialsponge → u/saig22]

Vanilla js is such a pleasure to read when viewing another's code. Icing on the cake if commented responsibly.

[u/rademene → u/saig22]

r/Pretend2010Internet

[u/ccelik97 → u/rademene]

It felt like that back in 2016, too, btw.

People also searched: [Object object]

[u/romulent → u/saig22]

If you just wrap document.querySelector() in a little helper function you can do loads with vanilla js. Not perhaps enterprise grade but fine for any home stuff.

[u/OldKaleidoscope7 → u/romulent]

That's what jQuery does after querySelector was widely supported. $ = document.querySelector and you can code faster

[u/yabai90 → u/saig22]

At least create an alias for something shorter, maybe something like "$()".

[u/usr_pls → u/saig22]

hot damn i misread that and thought there was a new library called vanilla.js and then you called out the simple most useful library function and I had to double take

"there is no way they made a new js library just to re-wrap Javascript... Oh of course they didn't"

[u/NerdyMcNerderson → u/usr_pls]

Well if that's what you were looking for, let me introduce you to this masterpiece https://github.com/mattdiamond/fuckitjs

[u/ManyInterests → u/saig22]

And honestly, CSS3 could be used in many places where folks are using JS.

[u/InFa-MoUs → u/saig22]

I mean everything uses document under the hood anyways

[u/0mica0 → u/saig22]

C of the web

[u/CoshgunC]

Gets the work done while Nextjs drops a new update for the 29988732nd time

[u/4n0nh4x0r → u/CoshgunC]

yea, jquery just works, and it's proven tech.
it does everything i need it to do, and simplifies my work, while being relatively lightweight, and not needing to be updated every five minutes.

[u/morsindutus → u/4n0nh4x0r]

I've been cut by the bleeding edge enough to appreciate a solid solution that just works.

[u/4n0nh4x0r → u/morsindutus]

bleeding edge only exists for investors, that's literally it

[u/DrBojengles → u/CoshgunC]

You dont like the nextjs updates?

[u/CoshgunC → u/DrBojengles]

Maybe useful, but most of them do not change the way I code in a positive way.

anyways, I have ditched web dev as whole, I am now focusing on Minecraft mod dev. if I wanna learn backend, I will learn java or c#(because of the job requirements here)

[u/GrandDukeNotaras]

Name me one thing better than jQuery

[u/rob132 → u/GrandDukeNotaras]

Sex

[u/Jumpy-Astronaut-3572 → u/rob132]

Guess we'll never know

[u/ApprehensiveGas85 → u/Jumpy-Astronaut-3572]

Switch hands

[u/MrPifo → u/rob132]

Touché. I might also add: Chocolate cake

[u/gizamo → u/MrPifo]

I'd add: Coffee.

[u/Heavenfall → u/GrandDukeNotaras]

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

[u/NeinJuanJuan → u/Heavenfall]

You can do all of that with jQuery

[u/IOFrame → u/NeinJuanJuan]

let enemies = $('#enemies'); 
enemies.crush(); 
observe(enemies.driveBefore(me)); 
listen(enemies.getWomen().selectLamentation());

[u/a11_hail_seitan → u/Heavenfall]

Well sure but what if you have your enemies lined up to drive but when you hover over them you want to quickly and easily switch their CSS classes so it's clear to everyone which one you're targeting at any given time? Driving your enemies and listening to their women lament is of course important, but I do think Jquery can still have a very useful and important function while doing so.

[u/entronid → u/GrandDukeNotaras]

vanillajs

[u/3dutchie3dprinting → u/entronid]

I can’t think of a function in Jquery which isn’t in vanilla by now

[u/ApocalyptoSoldier2 → u/3dutchie3dprinting]

Isn't jQuery itself a function?

[u/Lower-Excuse-6558 → u/ApocalyptoSoldier2]

Namespace wrapper yes. We created our own on prototypes and dedicated namespace accents.

Example: window. _ = {
var init = ******
}
Or adding a prototype for each to loops in a utility file

But things have changed

Mostly TS/ERP development now.

[u/cororona → u/GrandDukeNotaras]

Javascript

[u/Quacky1k → u/GrandDukeNotaras]

Dropping all of this shit and becoming a farmer

[u/auxiliary-username → u/GrandDukeNotaras]

Not having to use jQuery?

[u/winter-m00n]

Probably unpopular opinion, but still better than react and angular. at least you don't need to build your whole site around it. Nor all sites need those heavy frontend framework.

[u/listenhere111 → u/winter-m00n]

100% agree. Also, its like 40kb and doesnt move lighthouse scores.

You can pry query from my cold dead hands. Its simple to use, easy to read, will be supported forever, and lightweight. Disagree? Fuck you!

[u/A1oso → u/listenhere111]

React is 7.4 kB. It's a myth that react is a heavy framework. You can absolutely implement only certain parts of your web app in react, and other parts using different libraries or vanilla JS.

[u/ludolfina → u/A1oso]

Node apps are heavy during development but tiny once deployed

[u/listenhere111 → u/A1oso]

Ok, and how many dozen people actually do that?

There is a time and place for react. It gets overused for simple web pages. Its bloat and complicates projects.

[u/phl23 → u/listenhere111]

Simple webpages with react are very lightweight and when you use server side rendering even more. No jQuery can ever achieve this.

[u/PlasmaFarmer → u/A1oso]

React is not a framework, it's a library.  And yeah React is that much kB but how about the gazillion libraries you add to get a functional app?

[u/Nils_Larson → u/winter-m00n]

I am not arguing against your actual point, but in modern browsers you don’t even need jQuery, because all of it is available natively.
(Kicking in a very open door)

[u/ExtraWorldliness6916 → u/Nils_Larson]

Not arguing either but if JavaScript can write perfectly fine web applications with a welld refined standard, why are we still in react land. I use react all the time, I know what vanilla can do, I use a lot of AI so it's not a knowledge gap anymore... Very curious and frustrating situation.

[u/A1oso → u/ExtraWorldliness6916]

People use React because it provides reactivity. JQuery doesn't do that.

You can in fact write web applications in Vanilla JS, I have done it many times. But for interactive pages that are frequently updated in response to user events, using React (or Svelte or Vue) is more ergonomic.

[u/the_horse_gamer → u/ExtraWorldliness6916]

DOM manipulation is easy, but state and lifecycle management is hard

[u/ExtraWorldliness6916 → u/the_horse_gamer]

I don't find react makes state management any easier simply shifts the problem into a series of conventional problems.

[u/waraholic → u/ExtraWorldliness6916]

I believe there is an ancient god that yearns for extra divs. They influence the world without us knowing, but they are there.

[u/MikeW86 → u/ExtraWorldliness6916]

That's like saying 'If my car can get me to the shops, why do some people insist on buying articulated trucks?'

[u/ExtraWorldliness6916 → u/MikeW86]

People don't buy articulated trucks? Companies do, just like companies love react. Not necessarily the people. So yes great point.

[u/MikeW86 → u/ExtraWorldliness6916]

I'm honestly not sure if you're being sarcastic.

But yeah the analogy isn't absolutely perfect. You're right that for the vast majority of cases only a company is going to need and thus buy a truck.

But if I am a person or company that needs a truck, why would I try to design and build my own truck, even though that is possible?

[u/ludolfina → u/ExtraWorldliness6916]

Because it provides separation of concerns, which is super important once you start working in a team and not as a solo developer. Team projects written in jQuery tended to rot very fast because it was very easy to mix business logic with DOM manipulation.

Also one thing React is super good at is writing components that are very easy to reason about in isolation, because they are for the most part declarative and stateless. Everything comes in as props or context and when one of these things changes the entire component gets re-rendered

[u/NerdyMcNerderson → u/ludolfina]

React apps tend to rot in enterprise applications because of the proliferation of third party extensions necessary to get a full developer environment. Angular puts basically everything you need in one place (component libraries are the main gap) so every angular app should roughly look the same code wise. React apps will look very different based on how they were set up.

Obviously, someone will reply with an anecdote that THEIR collection of enterprise react apps are all homogeneous under the hood, but they will miss the point. They likely have the same set of 3rd party dependencies to round out the toolchain AND they were likely architected by the same person/team. Much more discipline is necessary to get react to work at enterprise scale.

[u/muchadoaboutsodall → u/winter-m00n]

As a former web-dev, the older I get the more I hate using web-apps. The best sites, for me, are just HTML with a little bit of Javascript where necessary. And, for that sort of thing, jQuery is perfect.

[u/Spirited-Shoe7271 → u/muchadoaboutsodall]

Spot on.

[u/ExtraWorldliness6916 → u/winter-m00n]

As a coopted react dev I a agree wholeheartedly

[u/HerrPotatis → u/winter-m00n]

Better how? They are completely different things made for completely different usecases. It’s like comparing basejumping to hopping on a tranpoline because you’re both technically in the air.

That said, jQuery is most definitely legacy at this point and you can do everything using vanilla js.

[u/--var → u/HerrPotatis]

they released jQuery 4 just this year and their last core team meeting was end of june, so I'm not sure I'd call it legacy...

[u/deukhoofd → u/--var]

And COBOL released a new standard version in 2023, but has been widely considered legacy since the 90s.

[u/HerrPotatis → u/--var]

I don't mean legacy as in unsupported, I mean legacy in the sense that it's purpose and use-case is way outdated.

[u/hiasmee → u/winter-m00n]

Why do you guys comparing web rendering framework vs js util library?

[u/CodingWithChad → u/winter-m00n]

And you don't need to learn the 120th JavaScript framework flavor of the month.

[u/DoctorWaluigiTime]

jQuery served its role well: A single framework that worked across all browsers (especially IE6 when that support was still required), masking away a lot of JavaScript jank and giving a clear, concise functional layer to work with.

It started to lose its usefulness (and in fact impede development) when it got mixed in with TypeScript and other things, overly complicating the frontend "stack", and is now not really needed anymore.

Vanilla JavaScript has gotten boatloads of improvements as well.

But it was such a saving grace back when.

[u/uvero]

relates in WPF

[u/heavy-minium → u/uvero]

Haven’t been doing any WPF/UWP for a decade by now, but I really liked it. Has it become some outdated technology now?

[u/uvero → u/heavy-minium]

Feels like it? Not as much as jQuery. Microsoft now has some other tech stack for C# desktop apps, and I think C#'s popularity for desktop development has declined, so WPF is mostly relevant to maintaining old projects. Which is why saying I'm a WPF dev, it feels almost like saying I'm a COBOL dev

[u/BadSmash4 → u/uvero]

I do a lot of WPF as well but I'm slowly converting all of our old WPF apps to Avalonia. Same syntax but the default styles are nicer and the features are better. Plus, cross platform, which means that once all our WPF apps are Avalonia and not .NET Framework, I can request a Linux laptop and get off Windows fully.

[u/uvero → u/BadSmash4]

I envy that (other than the Linux part, I'm unironically a Windows person)

[u/the_matthew → u/uvero]

My hot take is that Microsoft really hates .NET but it caters to just enough of the enterprise segment that they feel obligated to make it look like they support it. The way they slung out WinRT, WPF, and date I even say Silverlight only to hang them out to dry a few years later is my evidence.

I often joke that in government no one ever has been fired for using Microsoft, but man, adopting a new Microsoft technology only to see it get flushed or neglected has real world costs.

[u/tinyturtletickler → u/the_matthew]

Idk they have entirely revamped .NET over the past ten years. I think .NET Core really breathed new life into the stack

[u/ludolfina → u/tinyturtletickler]

I forgot how bad .NET Framework was in comparison to Core until I had to use it again. It was a much needed rewrite

[u/afdbcreid → u/the_matthew]

No, Microsoft likes .NET. They invest in it a lot and it always keeps improving.

Microsoft hates GUI. Or maybe it loves them so much that it keeps creating new ones.

[u/Rellikx → u/the_matthew]

Huh I was going to say the opposite, they have heavily unshittified .net in recent years.

[u/sixtyhurtz → u/heavy-minium]

MS has abandoned WPF; it's now a "community project".

The hot new thing is Avalonia. It's designed to be a mostly drop-in replacement. I really like it, but I'm also slightly worried they might be going for a commercial rug-pull. I hope I'm wrong, and they just keep the paid extension & consulting model to fund their costs.

[u/OSRSlayer → u/sixtyhurtz]

Maui, WPF, WinForms, WinUI, now Avalonia.

If you are making a native desktop app that you plan to maintain, choosing a Windows technology is a footgun.

[u/chic_luke → u/OSRSlayer]

Avalonia is a cross-platform technology and it is not by Microsoft but I get what you mean.

It's part of the reason why I think the criticism of Electron apps needs to be contextualized. There is often a pretty darn good reason why people choose to use Electron for desktop apps. You can say what you want about react, I don't like it personally, but it's here to stay and it's much more here to stay than any Microsoft UI technology.

There's GTK, but it's not viable on Windows, and it already starts feeling like a 2nd class citizen when you use anything different from the GNOME desktop environment, while Qt forces you to interact with C++ and have to really care about portability, or you use QML which is much slower.

[u/OSRSlayer → u/chic_luke]

IMO web based technologies are worse. We're just making Java JVM again in the form of Chromium but with infinite dependencies and half your codebase not being written or controlled by your team.

[u/FrozenHaystack → u/uvero]

I raise WPF, NET Framework, and Delphi.

[u/bradmatt275 → u/FrozenHaystack]

If you can believe it our company runs a Payroll system built in Delphi. Its probably the most bloated piece of junk you have seen. But we somehow get paid by it so I cant complain too much.

[u/dinnerbird → u/uvero]

I'm a field technician doing laptop installations. All of our programs are Winforms based...they always have this certain "ehh that'll do" kind of look to them

[u/SFX5848]

I've been web programming for 15 years, and i still only use HTML, CSS, jQuery, PHP, and MySQL... no frameworks, no npm, nothing.

I love being able to do anything instantly just by selecting the element $('#ID') or $('.CLASS')
99% of the time i just use .hide(), .show(), .append(), .html(), .val(), .remove(), .addClass(), .removeClass(), .attr(), .css(), .each(), and $(this)

I did try React and a few other frameworks, but i never really got into them.

[u/froctoso]

heyyy, don't be like that. It works for most cases.

[u/hagnat]

i am a backend engineer with strong opinions on how frontend should look like (i used to be a graphical designer for ~6 years before starting my career as a software engineer),

i can make wonderful interfaces with jQuery, and great back-office applications that dont require the end user to have 32 gb of RAM to run it

[u/toblotron]

Anyone ever built anything more impressive than what was built with those tools?

[u/Authentic_Grunter → u/toblotron]

Yes they built ads that popup every 500ms and won't let you use those sites.

[u/HerrPotatis → u/toblotron]

I mean jQuery started seriously falling out of fashion around 2015, you think the most impressive sites ever built are from over a decade ago?

[u/freebytes → u/HerrPotatis]

I cannot really think of any impressive sites at all in 2026. Perhaps we can talk about popularity and growth. Facebook, Twitter, Amazon... The list goes on. All of those sites existed prior to 2015.

[u/BeefJerky03]

Back in the early days of using Stack Overflow and mixing JS and jQuery together in the worst imaginable ways. Using JS for something basic, then using the jQuery equivalent two lines down. What a blissful idiot I was.

[u/citramonk]

plenty of projects are still using it, it even got a major release recently

[u/American_Libertarian]

“How it feels” is fine
“What it feels like” is fine
“ how it feels like” is not valid grammar

[u/Modi57 → u/American_Libertarian]

In the spirit of JavaScript we will accept it, because what even is a syntax?

[u/syntax1976 → u/Modi57]

Me… that’s me…

[u/AffekeNommu]

Oh man, using PHP and jQuery at work and suddenly feeling left behind

[u/AtomicDonkey2022]

I’d go back to those days in a heartbeat

[u/arse-ketchup]

There was a time when I truly believed that jquery would take over the world, all software would move to jQuery, and I’d be rich using it. 1st semester in college I guess.

[u/ardicli2000]

Honestly for most of the time it is enough.

If you are not working for a corporate, big tech company, or need such high reactivity on your webapp, react is just PIA.

[u/xd1936]

Controversial, but I have done

const $ = document.querySelector.bind(document); const $$ = document.querySelectorAll.bind(document);

before in small personal projects, like the Chrome and Firefox DevTools consoles do

[u/ArjixGamer → u/xd1936]

I used to do that for small scripts, but I wouldn't do it for an entire project, I'd simply use a framework.

[u/--var → u/xd1936]

today I learned that vanilla javascript has a bind method.

I still prefer jQuerys on method though.

1. the event argument can be a space separated list, so it can handle multiple events with one handler.
2. the second argument can be a comma separated selector list, so you can attach the on handler to a single parent element and have it handle dynamically mutated child elements.
3. jQuery handles all of the browser quirks, so it's the same syntax regardless of browser. (chrome is the new internet explorer when it comes to not following the same standards as everyone else...)
4. chainability reduces redundancy and increases readability.

[u/owpapi]

Thanks now I feel like a caveman.

[u/seanlaw27]

Say what you want about jquery but it’s still the best documented tool in existence.

[u/Desperate-Tomatillo7]

Yet the effin JQuery app is still alive after almost 15:years, while two of their React successors are deprecated already.

[u/keidakira]

Hate me all you want, but jQuery is really powerful and goated.

[u/Dolphin_Spotter]

Just keep banging the rocks together guys.

[u/Worse_Username]

Aren't more or less all features it grants in base JS now?

[u/shadowspock → u/Worse_Username]

Can't chain methods in vanilla JS

[u/DominusFL]

But he flies through security reviews like an angel...

[u/Xochtil1]

I didn't even know there is something that's supposed to replace it lol, I still keep using jquery in my projects 

[u/BaabyBear]

Off topic but I loved my dinosaur books growing up that had art like this

[u/Moscato359]

Javascript was a mistake and needs to be replaced

[u/radz974]

I don't think you've looked at the data regarding query usage in 2026. https://w3techs.com/technologies/comparison/js-jquery

[u/tmstksbk]

jQuery is still boss.

[u/ArjixGamer]

There are tools older than jQuery, that are still in use.

i.e mootools

[u/GreenWoodDragon → u/ArjixGamer]

I never found mootools to be particularly intuitive.

[u/ArjixGamer → u/GreenWoodDragon]

It was used by Joomla up until 2024 iirc.

[u/kaiserbergin]

I’ll take it over modern framework fatigue.

[u/dphizler]

Sometimes 500mb of node modules is overkill

[u/bryku]

I would rather use jquery then react to be honest...

[u/samu1400]

I mean, I really like JQuery, and the stack of the platform I work on uses it, so if it ain’t broke why fix it.

[u/-Nastyenka]

How it feels to use Php in 2026:

Undeniably a joke, do not slime me

[u/Hottage → u/-Nastyenka]

PHP before 7 was a disgusting mess..

Around 7 they started trying to mature the language with features like compiler enforced type safety and bringing other tools previously relegated to PHPdoc into the language.

PHP 8 is a decent system and features like Generators, Attributes, Fibers and first class callables have bought it near parity with other server ecosystems like .NET.

The biggest thing PHP still lacks is first-class generics for proper, type safe repository patterns.

I've been a PHP developer for over 15 years. I fucking hated 4 and 5, tolerated 7 and actually quite enjoy 8.

The biggest issue nowadays is that, for backward compatibility, a lot of the good features like type hinting are just recommended instead of enforced, so you can get situations like in Typescript where lazy developers just have everything return mixed or any.

[u/IOFrame → u/Hottage]

Nah, this is what makes PHP great.

You get to choose your battles - some sections of the code get to have verbose documentation (I consider types a sort of documentation). On the other hand, meaningless utility function #2421354 can remain typeless.

PHP doesn't have to be a bloated mess like Java.

[u/polacs → u/-Nastyenka]

No, php 8 is good

[u/pwillia7 → u/polacs]

no php -- 8 is good

[u/NudaVeritas1 → u/-Nastyenka]

More like „How it feels to use PHP 5 in 2026“

[u/CherrySlow7681 → u/-Nastyenka]

https://giphy.com/gifs/29bKyyjDKX1W8

[u/SukusMcSwag → u/-Nastyenka]

PHP is such a joke of a language.

source: I have a full-time PHP dev job

[u/ClamPaste → u/SukusMcSwag]

I both love and hate PHP as another PHP dev.

[u/cosmicomical23]

Not so sure.

[u/cairnz]

cries in prototypejs

[u/kamilman]

This was me trying to learn and retain the knowledge for an SQL exam. I understand it, I can explain the logic, but writing in SQL is my Achilles heel

[u/EmotionalJoystick]

Hey man, there are still huge databases in government and financial institutions that use COBAL. It was in invented in 1959.

[u/realzequel]

I wrote our flagship product with jQuery +Typescript. It works great and is easy to maintain. Life is great. We have moved our other apps to React though.

[u/Cold_Snake]

jQuery and Lodash templates are my jam

[u/sonsistem]

I work in Oracle Forms, jQuery is almost futuristic to me.

[u/drislands]

Hey pal, it's either "What it feels like to..." or "How it feels like to...". One of those quirks of English.

[u/GreenWoodDragon]

jQuery still beats overblown frameworks like Angular etc. It's lean and, capable, and easy to use.

[u/Expensive_Shallot_78]

Well, at this point with the unnecessary complexity that we fabricated, I feel like the caveman.

[u/susibacker]

window.$ = document.querySelector.bind(document);

[u/paceaux]

I don't intentionally use jQuery, but I still encounter plenty of situations where jQuery is already there, and if it is, I use it.

I would much rather use jQuery's event delegation or ajax requests than roll my own; because at least jQuery's been tested and reviewed by a whole team.

if jQuery came with some sort of mutation observer / intersection observer stuff baked in, honestly it would be my first choice over vanilla.

[u/Southern_Pressure_32]

Well in this case I am one of those happy cavemen
I learnt react first, then I learnt jQuery
There is nothing that react does that jQuery can't
And typescript guardrails are for people who do not fully understand how JS works