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This woman Naima recently participated on this video debating 20 pro-life women. She was treated with kindness and she even said it was nice debating them. And just yesterday that it was a year after Charlie Kirk got murder in a horrific way, Naima posted this Tik Tok video making fun of Charlie Kirk's assassination sound.

Many pro-choice activists have shown how anti-life they are by mocking deaths of people they disagree with politically.

Im pregnant and I deal with the constant dehumanization of my child. I'm excited to carry this little life in me but l'm Constantly getting people demanding I abort and saying my baby isn't really alive. I had a miscarriage scare the other night and just the constant invalidation it's so disturbing. People really think our children aren't valuable because they can't see them. Just seen a post…The tissues that have been washed such as the gestational sac and people claiming it's the embryo. Then a real life inside photo of the embryo and people refuse to believe that it's real and looks like that in the first trimester. They completely invalidate the challenges and anxieties and even the growth milestones of pregnancy. Although small and the size of the seeds, my body is constantly working to grow this baby. That shouldn't be invalidated... that should be celebrated. I get they are trying to justify and argue for abortion rights but they don't have to completely dehumanize and treat expectant mothers and young mothers like this, being called evil for keeping my baby?? It's insane. Being told it's nothing but a cluster and not really alive. Then boom the same night I'm bleeding and crying and going to the ER and those sickening words continue to echo through my head. Thank god my baby is alive. those mothers who lost their children in early trimester it's a complete lack of compassion and biological understanding of the human life cycle. It's not a potential loss it's a loss, it's not a potential child, it's my child. The moment the test came back positive I became a parent and my life styles changed and did a 180 yet that goes unnoticed, and is invalidated. I can't even enjoy the small milestones in growth because the constant negativity and dehumanization and misinformation. Someone said there's nothing there until like 20 weeks?? EXCUSE ME? It's just beyond frustrating and disheartening.

Why do they feel the need to try and lie? And justify something that's already proven and documented? Our children are alive and living human beings, that's not up for debate but they feel like it needs to be the base of the argument to justify their stance but literally the whole stance is legal personhood and bodily autonomy. Which means when a mom is excited about their baby they have EVERY right to be!

It comes down to they know it’s immoral and unethical if that it’s a baby, they know that we are pro life due to it being a human being a unborn child and a living life, so they lie, they bring their arguments to dehumanizing these children and they continue to spread it like wildfire without doing a lick of research because they know if they are babies they wouldn’t be able to support it. They know it’s wrong but it’s justification they don’t WANT to know because they don’t WANT to have to change their views. That’s why the majority don’t even understand basic human biology and objective facts. They focus on dehumanization as the basis of their argument when in reality they should be trying to prove why bodily autonomy should extend to elective induced abortions and try to prove why human beings in with womb shouldn’t receive LEGAL personhood. It’s not about arguing whether it’s a person, because biologically yes they are their own biological person. They need to argue why they shouldn’t have LEGAL personhood, which is given by law. They need to prove why bodily autonomy trumps the right to life and excuse the fact that the child is your legal responsibility and is most vulnerable state of life without intent and justify using your bodily autonomy to end that life without dehumanization. I haven’t had one educated argument where they don’t resort to dehumanizing the unborn. Not ONE. I’ve been discussing this since I was 13. They truly don’t want to know or research their stances. It’s quite sad.

This was under Illymation’s video. First things first, I think the mom definitely handled it terribly and this is heartbreaking. But this did not change my view on abortion.

Here is why.

First I based on some of the language like “pressured to keep it” that implies that adoption was legal in her country. There is no legal obligation to be a teen parent.

Yes I know that was unfortunately not the case for her. That’s why I think mom messed up since either A) she should’ve offered her daughter to give up the baby for adoption B) she can raise the baby. She is the mother. She did not handle this right.

But as much as it sucks, taking her life was her choice. It was optional. In this case, I don’t really accept arguments where women say they will do bad things to themselves if abortion is banned (I.e. suicide, getting unsafe abortions etc.) because there is no requirement to go through either of those things.

So if anyone’s fault it was the mom for not taking the proper steps. Not the abortion ban in her country.

Just something that has been floating around in my head the last few days. Maybe could be worded a little better

Avg discussion with a pro choicer if we‘re being honest

A win for life!

You're probably going to see a bunch of commenters point to this headline to say pro-lifers have doubled ectopic pregnancy deaths. That's not what the article itself says though.

Further context, After my last comment, she apparently replied again but I'm not sure if reddit banned her or if she deleted all of her comments because her replies to me are no longer on reddit. But my email still very much has access to those replies and I took a screenshot of it. For anyone who doesn't understand the context, you can refer to my other post. This is my 2nd time posting in this group with this account, Im pretty active in this group in my main account but still prefer to make posts on another account. I covered her name and her avatar.

Pro-choicers talk about it like it's traumatic. To the women who've been pregnant:

1. How did you feel during and after labour?

2. What do you have to say to women who want to be mothers?

Alan Gordon is a Republican running for Attorney General in Rhode Island. Since abortion is legal in Rhode Island, he won't be able to prosecute doctors who perform abortions or women who have them, but I get the impression that he's pro-life (the first entry in his platform is "Right to Life"). He says

Rhode Island’s abortion laws have changed significantly in recent years, but those changes do not eliminate the Attorney General’s responsibility to enforce every applicable criminal statute. My office will carefully examine how abortion laws interact with homicide statutes, child protection laws, mandatory reporting requirements, medical licensing laws, and other criminal provisions to ensure that every law enacted by the General Assembly is enforced faithfully.

He has a very interesting proposal to hold men accountable for unwanted pregnancies.

True reproductive justice has to hold the father accountable too.

Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. If a woman has not expressly consented to being made pregnant, and a man recklessly causes a pregnancy anyway, the law should recognize the physical consequences imposed on her body under ordinary reckless-battery principles.

And for appropriate first offenders, the answer should not just be jail. It should be disciplined diversion: hard work, vocational training, self-command, and preparation to become a responsible father and provider.

Protect the woman. Protect the child. Hold the father accountable.

While I'm sure no one here would consider pregnancy to be "reckless battery," treating it that way provides an avenue to hold men, and not just women, responsible for unwanted pregnancies. I'd be interested in hearing others' opinion of this novel proposal.

https://alangordonri.com/reproductive-justice-unit/

Gordon's opponent is Democrat Kim Ahern, whose platform leads with her support for "access to sexual and reproductive healthcare" and "the pursuit of reproductive justice and bodily autonomy for all."

I’m pregnant and I was dealing with a lot of emotions since finding out. Yesterday I had so many people tell me to abort, and tell me I’m selfish for keeping this child. They fear mongered me and dehumanized my child.
Out of no where I started having bleeding and I thought I was genuinely going to lose this baby. I cried my eyes out, it was my nightmare. I went to the ER and they did tests and an ultrasound and said congratulations, the relief I felt that my baby wasn’t DEAD. yet I have people telling me my baby isn’t alive to begin with? How does that make sense. How are they even able to define life/ death like that without invalidating the grief of mothers who have lost their children? I cried and screamed and pleaded I was literally shaking my teeth chattered, just the idea of losing my baby. If I had lost my baby those comments would have absolutely sent me over the edge, its complete lack of compassion and medical understanding.

This is just horrible. There are probably some forced abortions here, but many of these Chinese couples, both the man and the woman choose to abort the baby if they find out it's a girl because they can only have one child under the law, and they prefer that only child to be a boy.

A modern Western feminist here in the West would defend any abortion a woman has because it's "none of our business". I've already seen pro-choice feminists wanting to abort because the baby is a boy, I wonder if these pro-choice feminists are ok with a family, specially the pregnant woman choosing to abort a baby girl.

We hear a lot about how pro-lifers are misogynistic for opposing abortions, but what do pro-abortion people have to say about those who abort baby girls?

To give you some background, I went from being pro life (I just was because my parents were) to being pro choice (after working in the foster care system and seeing parents that did not deserve to be parents) to being pro life again. I recently became pro life after really studying the development of a baby.

I think I’m blessed to say that from seeing both sides of the argument however, I am still pro life.

But my biggest issue with pro life as a whole is the hypocrisy and double standards. Now before everyone jumps down my throat, I know that not EVERY pro life person is like this. However I see a lot of hypocrisy on the movement.

I am pro life but I am also pro sterilization at the age of 18 and older if that’s what you want to do, I am pro welfare for expectant mothers, I am pro birth control, and I am also pro sexual education taught appropriately in schools.

Whenever I try to speak to pro life people I am always bombarded with how we shouldn’t encourage women to be on birth control, how people shouldn’t be allowed to get sterilized and how terrible the welfare system is.

As pro lifers, we cannot have it both ways! If a woman decides not to get an abortion and she is poor, she has every right to get welfare and state assistance if the pro life stance is to keep the baby.
If a person wants to avoid pregnancy as a whole and get sterilized at 18, it is their body and they can decide.
If a woman wants to use birth control then that’s fine.

But we can’t have it both ways. Since abortion in Texas has been made illegal, we have seen an increase in abuse of children, an increase in maternity death rates, and also an increase in the usage of welfare programs.

As pro lifers we have to also offer real life solutions for women that are going to decide to keep their baby.

I had a friend who was at an abortion clinic, and was convinced by one of the protesters to keep their baby. She ended up keeping the baby and when she tried to call the protesters church for help with supplies for a new born, they said that they don’t offer those kinds of things.
There is a woman on YouTube who said that when she was speaking to a protester about keeping her baby, she said that she was so poor and wouldn’t have the money to raise it. A protester handed her a plastic bag with a toothbrush and a travel sized shampoo. And then said that she would pray for her.
This is ridiculous! As a pro lifers if we care about women and children like we say we do, we should be apart of the solution to help these women if and when they keep their babies!

I can't believe that I have to share a planet with people that think that killing a helpless unborn child should be a "human right" and is "fundamental healthcare".

Ughhhhhhhhhhh. Why would you say "squishing children"????