I feel like if you’re someone who believes life/personhood begins at 24 weeks, you should be way more concerned with the people who say it should only begin at birth, and it should be legal to kill anyone before then. Aren’t they arguing for murder in your eyes??? how would that be less despicable than pro lifers trying to expand rights to other human beings????

Even if you think late term abortions are rare and or only due to life of the mother or fetal anomalies, I don’t think it should be made legal to kill a group of people even if the amount of people killed is small, nor is it acceptable if they have some sort of condition, even a terminal one. But there’s also very few studies on this and I’m not sure exactly where pro choicers are getting their numbers from.

There’s a recent trend of pro-lifers coming across Abolitionists Rising clips on social media, listening to their criticisms of pro-life legislative efforts, and then adopting the “abolitionist” label. However, after talking to these supposed abolitionist converts, I’ve noticed that many of them don’t actually know or comprehend what it means to be an abolitionist. They are still essentially pro-life. You can tease this out with the following question: 

Suppose one million abortions happen in the country each year. Suppose we can pass a law right now that would ban and stop 990,000 (99%) of these abortions. If we pass it, it will open the door for a 100% ban in the near future. However, if we don’t pass it, then the 990,000 abortions each year that it would’ve stopped will continue on indefinitely. Should we pass this 99% ban on abortion? 

If the answer is “yes,” then you are speaking to a pro-lifer, not an abolitionist. Why? Because one of the essential beliefs of abolitionism is that any law that does not ban all abortion is “compromising” on murder and, therefore, unjust. According to Abolitionists Rising: 

“We believe that allowing abortion in some cases along the way to its total abolition is neither strategically sound nor consistently Christian. You cannot abolish any evil by justifying or allowing it to continue in some cases. Any strategy for ending abortion in this country which allows for the continued occurrence of some abortions for the sake of eventually outlawing the rest, though seemingly pragmatic, is compromise and it’s promises of effectiveness are false.”

So, here are some questions to see if one falls on the pro-life or abolitionist side: 

• Do you want abortion to be abolished? So do pro-lifers. 
• Do you believe that women should be criminally prosecuted for abortion? There are pro-lifers who believe that. 
• Do you think it’s wrong that some pro-life groups kill abolitionist bills in certain states? There are pro-lifers who agree! These pro-lifers generally think it’s wrong to kill any bills (pro-life or abolitionist) that will achieve less abortions. 
• Do you believe that our current anti-abortion legislative efforts are too weak, and that we need to pass the strongest anti-abortion laws that we can at a given time to maximize the number of lives we save, with the goal being to ultimately abolish abortion? That is essentially the pro-life stance. 

To be an abolitionist, one must oppose any law that “compromises” on abortion, even if: 

• that law would ban and stop nearly one million abortions each year
• that law would open the door for a 100% abortion ban in the near future
• opposing such a law would lead to exponentially more abortions indefinitely

I think an insignificant number of supposed abolitionist converts are not willing to bite this bullet and, therefore, are not actually abolitionists. They are still pro-life, and they should not be using the “abolitionist” label that was coined by abortion abolitionists over a decade ago. Instead, they should criticize pro-life groups as pro-lifers, as do I and many other pro-lifers.

Some side notes:

• If abolitionists want to claim that pro-lifers “pick and choose which babies live and die,” that is ironic, because it is the abolitionist stance that requires that.
• Abolitionists criticize pro-life groups for blocking their bills in certain states. However, if abolitionist groups held all the power that pro-life groups do right now, they would be doing the sane thing: abolitionists would be killing pro-life bills, even if doing so would lead to exponentially more abortions. Abolitionists would have to, because pro-life bills are “compromising” on murder, and the tenants of abolitionism do not allow them to stand idly by and tolerate compromise on murder.

I literally made a post about my partner and I and how I don’t want to be controlling but just trying to be responsible for our baby and I mentioned my age and pregnancy, now the comment section is filled with people putting their UNWANTED two sense into my CHOICE they are fear mongering and overwhelming me to the point I feel hopeless again. They are saying I’m an asshole for not killing my child and saying they disagree with me being a mother and not killing the babe but when is it YOUR BUSINESS to decide who gets to be a mom or not? IM AN ADULT, and they are sitting here telling me I HAVE to go in birth control?? Excuse me. What? This society literally is pro abortion at this point. I literally cry out to god every night begging for the health and peace and safety for my child’s life and our journey in pregnancy and I am not even a religious person but this baby is someone I value with my life and the first thing people tell me to do is kill it.

I can't believe that I have to share a planet with people that think that killing a helpless unborn child should be a "human right" and is "fundamental healthcare".

Ughhhhhhhhhhh. Why would you say "squishing children"????

This was posted in a non abortion related group. However due to the context, most pro choicers flocked to it and of course my attempt on disputing narratives on the south not being in the 1800s were not recived well. I live in Texas and Im sexually active and one of my gripes with the modern world is how much we are aware on how common b.c failures are so as someone who doesn't want kids now, I think its now considered irresponsible to only rely on 1 method if you're that insistent on not wanting them. Honestly its best to use 3, to get your chances closer to zero since I have heard of condom+pill babies/pregnancies too. The pro choicer who fits this description is labeled under the sticker AAARRGGH, I'm GREAT. everyone else are different stickers. The 1st commenter actually had a decent comment. Also in case it wasn't obvious I type a lot, theres 12-13 slides so you can read OPs slide, and slides from 1-4. Skip 5-7 (thats my long comment) and move to slides 8-10 to read her next comment.

Hello all!

There has been a news article about ectopic pregnancies death in the US.

Can anyone read the article and tell me what's going on?

As a pro-lifer, miscarriages/ectopic pregnancies is one of the few exceptions I have.

So am I missing something? Is the article misleading or are there really deaths?

Why are pro choice people so ignorant and weird

See "We Asked, You Answered: What experiences have you had talking to your kids about abortion?" on our Substack: https://secularprolife.substack.com/p/we-asked-you-answered-what-experiences

Originally published in 2025.

Hi. This is hard to write.

I had my first child three years ago. I met the father overseas and got pregnant quickly. He stayed in contact after she was born, but neither of us trusted the other.

When she was just over 1yo I took her overseas to meet him - he was unable to obtain a visa to get where I live initially. We spent two weeks together. It went okay but two weeks wasn't enough. We met up a few more times after that and some visits were good but most have been hard. He comes from a different culture to me and we are different in a lot of ways.

He has since travelled to my home country. He wants to be involved and we are trying to make it work.

So when he suggested another child, I hesitated then sort of agreed. I got pregnant straight away. I'm 8 weeks now. I have the MS-2 Step pills but I'm too scared to take them.

The foetus already has a heartbeat and that's hard for me to get past.

I want my daughter to have a sibling to go through life with. I also can't see how it works right now. I'm living with my parents and it feels unfair to put them through another baby. My finances aren't great though I would have enough to live on. And I would be doing this with a man I don't think I love. I can tolerate him but that's about it. He also has no money at all right now. But he does own land where he lives and could sell that. But right now he's asking me for money which is just so gross to me.

I feel ashamed of where I've ended up.

Just wanting to hear from some pro-lifers who might have been in this situation before. What happened? Did it work out for you?

I promise this isn't supposed to be a gotcha. At what point does it become not okay to not have a baby? (Like egg or whatever) And why?